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Trying not to get dragged into the “Caldwell out ” cry but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was replaced .Very poor set of recent results,dire performances against lower table opposition,shocking to watch and with the squad we have should be doing better.I am stunned that we are still in such a good league position because to be honest I can count on one hand how many decent performances we have actually put in this season.Teams are finding us easy to play against not surprising with our pedestrian build up play.Knocked out of all the cups early doors with a potential trip to Wembley given up in a whimper.All down to the chairman now to decide if the financial predicament shouldn’t we get promoted from this position forces his hand or whether he will ride it out and hope he can turn it round……
Oh dear! Looks like the old darkside vs lightside is re-emerging again. & why is it when we win a few games – all is fine, yet lose a couple &/or play badly in those said games & the usual pessimistic &perhaps our more moronic posters post their typical drivel.
Yes, yesterdays game was SOOOOOOO frustrating, but is it really necessary to start calling for caldwell’s head – who might i stress is a very young manager & is still learning his trade. Sometimes he might get it right & on other occassions ie yesterday, he will get it wrong. I for one am pleased with him & i do feel we will head in the right direction under his leadership.
Where he gets it wrong IMO is playing both perkins & power together – 2 very defensive minded midfielders who are too similar & will play backwards, sideways etc. He needs to play one of those with either jacobs or junior & play a system that gets the ball to grigg &/or other striker(s), because withoit decent service grigg just looks like a lazy sod. Change those & we will be fine.
But please, way too soon to start calling for his head or for taxis. Give the guy a chance.Fickle fans again. For me I have always said if we are around 10 points off the top at Christmas we will be doing well.
Every team has a bad patch. Definitely need a creative midfielder and we should be fine.Stranger things have happened but if the rumoured press conference is to take place then it can not be to announce that Gary is to be replaced.
Surely then after less than half a season, a rooky manager with a completely new squad with his side in a play-off position must be given the benefit of the doubt.
Trouble is clubs want results fast these days and what is there to say that if Gary changed his current style to a more open positive pressing game that we would get results straight away. Yes we would be much less boring but how would we as fans tolerate a further slide down the league.
All I want is promotion and I could put up with the boring if we were starting to win again which we will on Saturday. Question is when would the right time be to change a manager?At the end of the day it depends on what the actual club’s ambitions are at this present time. If a club needs to get back to the division it was just relegated from then I would imagine that they would get in an experienced manager. If on the other hand there is a certain lack of ambition at said present time then a club will do it on the cheap and fill the managerial position with someone from within the club! There is no rush to get back into the Championship it would seem!
If I was to say what a ridiculous suggestion this is are you going to come back all self-satisfied and claim you were only on a wind-up? Either way it’s pathetic.[/quote]
How is ‘Middle England’ this morning Samantha? :)
Oh dear! Looks like the old darkside vs lightside is re-emerging again. & why is it when we win a few games – all is fine, yet lose a couple &/or play badly in those said games & the usual pessimistic &perhaps our more moronic posters post their typical drivel.
Yes, yesterdays game was SOOOOOOO frustrating, but is it really necessary to start calling for caldwell’s head – who might i stress is a very young manager & is still learning his trade. Sometimes he might get it right & on other occassions ie yesterday, he will get it wrong. I for one am pleased with him & i do feel we will head in the right direction under his leadership.
Where he gets it wrong IMO is playing both perkins & power together – 2 very defensive minded midfielders who are too similar & will play backwards, sideways etc. He needs to play one of those with either jacobs or junior & play a system that gets the ball to grigg &/or other striker(s), because withoit decent service grigg just looks like a lazy sod. Change those & we will be fine.
But please, way too soon to start calling for his head or for taxis. Give the guy a chance.Fickle fans again. For me I have always said if we are around 10 points off the top at Christmas we will be doing well.
Every team has a bad patch. Definitely need a creative midfielder and we should be fine.[/quote]
I agree with both of these.Five points off 2nd place? Considering it’s Caldwell’s first season as a manager, he’s not doing too badly.
Yes, some more experienced managers have out-thought him, but that’s down to a lack of experience, and he’ll learn from it.
The frustrating things for me, which nobody has mentioned is we didn’t have any shots across a saturated surface. Their keeper had his easiest ever match, when it should have been his busiest. I think they’re all thick. When a player takes a free kick 5 yards from the edge of the box and tries to curl one in the top corner rather than blast it across the ground, that’s the only conclusion I can come up with.
Why do we, at home, bring every player back on a corner when we’re drawing or winning but leave one up top when we’re losing? The difference is plain and means they have 2 extra players in our box, increasing their odds of scoring.Barnett is a danger, Perkins is footballing gnome apart from that I had no problems with his team selection, pre-match. It’s tactics and tempo which is our problem. I’d be looking for an experienced playmaker in January, someone like Nolan.
Said exactly the same on Saturday.
Still disagree about Perkins though. He had a bad game on Sautrday, but we need a player like him – but we also need a more creative player to play alongside him and do the things he can’t do.
It’s a manager’s job to change things like that though Standish, not for us to be sat there getting frustrated about it. Simple things I would think if you or I are seeing them ;)
I think everyone, in the main, has been patient with GC, through some shocking football tinged with some highlights. The main saver being our position in a granted very bad league, plus changes he’s made to address the problems.
His problem now(since Rochdale and un-necessary changes) is we’re losing and playing shocking.
We have some good players for this level and somebody needs to get the best out of them to get us out of this horror of a league.If you have the best and fastest car in a race and you constantly finish last do you blame the car or the driver ?.
Against Blackpool was like going back to the days of Coyle were we have no plan A B or C infact any letter you want to choose.
To watch James never once push forward and try to overlap was unreal. It was though he’d been told theres a bogeyman over the 1/2 way line so don’t go there..Even Boyce shrugged his shoulders when someone shouted to him warming up “Look were we’ve ended up ? Hard to believe hey !”..
If you have the best and fastest car in a race and you constantly finish last do you blame the car or the driver ?.
Against Blackpool was like going back to the days of Coyle were we have no plan A B or C infact any letter you want to choose.
To watch James never once push forward and try to overlap was unreal. It was though he’d been told theres a bogeyman over the 1/2 way line so don’t go there..Even Boyce shrugged his shoulders when someone shouted to him warming up “Look were we’ve ended up ? Hard to believe hey !”..
But you wouldn’t hold the driver totally to blame if despite driving as well as he could, one wheel decided to stop turning and the other three shot off in different directions.
We’re only five point off second place but some of the meltdowns I’ve seen on the forums, Twitter and Facebook have been staggering and in the most part, laughable.
Yes, it’s been poor for two consecutive Saturdays, but prior to that we had a fantastic home record and had been on a decent unbeaten run.
I think some people really need to give their heads a bit of a wobble.
It’s a manager’s job to change things like that though Standish, not for us to be sat there getting frustrated about it. Simple things I would think if you or I are seeing them ;)I think everyone, in the main, has been patient with GC, through some shocking football tinged with some highlights. The main saver being our position in a granted very bad league, plus changes he’s made to address the problems.
His problem now(since Rochdale and un-necessary changes) is we’re losing and playing shocking.
We have some good players for this level and somebody needs to get the best out of them to get us out of this horror of a league.It is the manager’s job to change things, and I’d like to think things will change.
One thing Caldwell has been praised for – even by some of the most fickle of our fucklest bunch of ‘supporters’ – is, he has not be scared to swap things during a game – unlike Martinez who was seen as stubborn and unwilling to make sweeping changes.
This is his first season as a manager – so yes, he’ll make mistakes. Everyone has to start somewhere, so in my opinion, yes, he needs to be given time.
I’m not saying Caldwell isn’t the man btw, I still think it’s a bit early for that sacking talk. I see more in him than most of our previous managers.
Can’t see a win Saturday mind and then it’s into Sheff United. I’d take 6 points from the Christmas games right now. (Barnsley to Scunthorpe)
Early in the season considering the changes I would have taken top ten at Christmas but would never have ever thought we would ever have become so dull, dreary and boring as the last few weeks.Just hope something can be done about both the flanks and central midfield in the transfer window and we may push on further in 2016.
The spark seems to have gone out the team the last few weeks and I think the players themselves should shoulder some of the responsibility for this. Surely GC doesn’t say to his team, right lads you have been playing OK recently, time for a change and a few bad performances to just to upset the fans.
I agree that post Rochdale, GC scored an own goal and has paid the price. He left Jason Pearce out the following game and made a few more unnecessary changes in my opinion. I began to think like many others, is he tinkering too much, is he trying to please all the players etc. etc.
There will be things that are happening that we are not aware of, for example Pearce could have had a few niggles having not played for a while. There is no feeling his way back with Pearcy, it’s everything gung-ho, there’s no holding back in the tackle.
Its been a bad few weeks following the end of our winning run, but I believe we will go on a similar winning run sooner, rather than later. Coventry are on a poor run of form now, Sheff U have been on one, all the teams in this league will, because they haven’t got strength in depth we have so it will hit um.
GC is learning his trade and learning well for a novice, I would have liked to have seen a John Rudge or even a Neil Warnock alongside him, but he’s doing OK.
I’m doing the full Christmas and new year games and I wouldn’t be surprised if we are knocking on the door or even have one foot inside the door of a top two place, come 5pm Jan 2nd 2016.
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!It’s the Wigan way. If every game isn’t won convincingly then the Managers crap, the players are crap and the clubs on its arse.
We’re 6th in the table and TBH I don’t think we know our best XI yet properly.
The next few weeks will determine the season for me. If we can get out the busy period and still be in the top 6 then we’ve a massive chance of going up.
It’s the Wigan way. If every game isn’t won convincingly then the Managers crap, the players are crap and the clubs on its arse.We’re 6th in the table and TBH I don’t think we know our best XI yet properly.
The next few weeks will determine the season for me. If we can get out the busy period and still be in the top 6 then we’ve a massive chance of going up.
We haven’t known our best 11 for nigh on two and a half seasons! :silly:
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