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So we’ve had the useless Scotland, the annonymous Moreno, the disinterested Rodellega and now the over rated Boselli. The penny must be dropping. To play up front in Bob’s system is impossible.. None of the 4 lads are bad players. They are being asked to score goals and hold the ball up whilst the rest of the team tie themselves in knots passing it back and forth.
Bob- if by some freakyou read this- abandon the system and give yourself a chance. 2 of your strikers up front and get the ball to them more quickly – why not knock a ball over the top every now and again. To continue as you are is suicide – and is driving me to drink !
So we’ve had the useless Scotland, the annonymous Moreno, the disinterested Rodellega and now the over rated Boselli. The penny must be dropping. To play up front in Bob’s system is impossible.. None of the 4 lads are bad players. They are being asked to score goals and hold the ball up whilst the rest of the team tie themselves in knots passing it back and forth.Bob- if by some freakyou read this- abandon the system and give yourself a chance. 2 of your strikers up front and get the ball to them more quickly – why not knock a ball over the top every now and again. To continue as you are is suicide – and is driving me to drink !
I long for a ‘keeper with good distribution. I hate to say it, but watching Bolton on MOTD made me a bit jealous of their position. We should adopt the same system, it’s been working for them for however long they’ve remained in the division.
Christ, we even used to be like that: in the first season up with Jewell, and the first full season Bruce was here. We were physical, getting the ball up to our two forwards supported by their four midfielders and four defenders.
Kirkland can’t kick the ball for beans, and takes too long getting it back into play from goal kicks and the like. Nobody is getting into the box when Boselli is holding it up, and at the moment he looks like a £6m Scotland.
At international level, 4-4-2 looks all but dead, but at club level it’s absolutely essential unless you have a team with the quality of Chelsea, Man Utd, Barcelona, Madrid, etc.
The worrying and wholly depressing thing is that he won’t change the system.
My big issue is that I think Bob plays with 5 in midfield so that when we lose the ball our wingers drop deeper with the 3 in midfield making us a more solid side. But the major downfall is Rodallega and N’Zogbia never drop back into the 5 man midfield and we are left with 3 who are over ran.
When we have the ball either 2 things happen. 1) when we get in an attacking position with Rodallega or N’Zobgia with the ball they only have Boselli to aim for. Generally, it is pointless getting the ball in the area because with 2 centre halves to deal with the ball is going to have to be special along with great movement from Boselli. 2) sometimes we over commit and we are left with the defensive midfielder and the back 4 with N’Zogbia and Rodallega not making the best effort to get back. This always leaves us open to the break. Maybe this system could work with players who would work more for the team up and down the flanks but with the players we have it simply doesn’t work.
I’m sure everyone has seen this and I agree a more solid system of 442 would give us more stability.We played 4-4-2 under Bruce. Biggest load of utter dross and gash I ever saw, in my opinion, forgiven only by an uncharacteristicly decent run of results before Christmas.
One of the reasons I was so pleased to see Martinez trying to play the way he does is because I don’t want to see a return to that kind of “entertainment”.
Admittedly, 442 isn’t always the big hoof and shyte that I recall being played under Bruce, but I really fail to see how a simple change of formation will turn this current crop of players into a decent premier league team.
I think we will be more dangerous with the ball and yet a team more difficult to break down.
Moses McCarthy Diame N’Zogbia
Boselli RodallegaWe have wingers who will play balls into the box and two strikers who can get on the end of the crosses. Our goals are never goals that have come from great movement or a killer pass. Usually it involves an individual peace of play.
Boselli looks like a player who likes to drop off whereas Hugo likes to get beyond the last man. Its a no brainer to me… Hey it can’t get much worse.it would also be nice 2 see more players in the box,all i saw on sat was boselli against 4 chelsea defenders.
How many times have you seen N’Zogbia (on the right hand side) or Rodallega whip the ball into the box without firstly trying to take on a defender? It would be different to see a genuine right footed player on the right in Moses and N’Zogbia on the left with two strikers in the box.
I’m sure we will score more goals and see a decent strike partnership between Rodallega and Boselli.We played 4-4-2 under Bruce. Biggest load of utter dross and gash I ever saw, in my opinion, forgiven only by an uncharacteristicly decent run of results before Christmas.One of the reasons I was so pleased to see Martinez trying to play the way he does is because I don’t want to see a return to that kind of “entertainment”.
Admittedly, 442 isn’t always the big hoof and shyte that I recall being played under Bruce, but I really fail to see how a simple change of formation will turn this current crop of players into a decent premier league team.
Sorry Griff but it wasn’t as bad as this we can’t defend we don’t create and our midfield contributes nothing. A more simple system 4-4-2 were everyone knows there job has to be an improvement.
FFS it couldn’t be any worse.
How can I be wrong? It’s just my opinion. I agree the results are worse, but I still prefer to watch us TRYING to play this way than what I watched under Bruce
All I can say to that Griff is that you really must have hated watching latics under Steve Bruce coz in my 23 years of following Latics in all 4 divisions I don’t think I’ve witnessed a worse attempt at playing football than what we’re seeing under Martinez (& I include the year & a bit of Kenny Swain’s reign in that too)
As people are probably aware I have no problem with 4-5-1 as a system if its played properly with players capable of operating that system but at present Latics don’t.
The earlier poster is correct IMO when he states that a big problem with it is the 2 wide men in the midfield 5. I remember watching Rodallega in a game against United at the end of the 08/09 season – for United’s winner you could see that he didn’t track United’s full back when he ran up the pitch & it meant our left back got overlapped & United scored their winner. The pundit on Sky picked up on it too. On Saturday (& I forget which goal it was for) exactly the same thing happened so in the 1 year, 3 months & 8 days since that happened (The vast majority of which has been under Martinez) he has still not been coached to do that – & that’s coz he is by nature a centre forward so I’m baffled as to why Bobby is determined to turn him into a left winger.
Boselli isn’t a one man up front kind of centre forward & you can see that after 2 feckin games but Bobby will persist in playing him there in the same system
If any team finds themselves 3-0 down after 51 minutes I wouldn’t expect to see them plodding on with the same formatiom & same system of play. I’d expect to see em try & change things round to attempt to haul themselves back into the game – When the same thing happened to Latics on Saturday Bobby kept things exactly the same until we’d gone 4-0 down (although in fairness he’d been trying to make a change for a few minutes) and when the change did come it was simply like for like positional changes
What the feck will it take for him to realise that “his way” isn’t working???For the first time on Saturday I found myself agreeing with Mark Lawrenson when he summed up our game & said in his first sentence “they’ve learnt absolutely nothing from the mistakes they made last week”.
He summed up the whole of Martinez’s reign in one sentence thereAll I can say to that Griff is that you really must have hated watching latics under Steve Bruce coz in my 23 years of following Latics in all 4 divisions I don’t think I’ve witnessed a worse attempt at playing football than what we’re seeing under Martinez (& I include the year & a bit of Kenny Swain’s reign in that too)As people are probably aware I have no problem with 4-5-1 as a system if its played properly with players capable of operating that system but at present Latics don’t.
The earlier poster is correct IMO when he states that a big problem with it is the 2 wide men in the midfield 5. I remember watching Rodallega in a game against United at the end of the 08/09 season – for United’s winner you could see that he didn’t track United’s full back when he ran up the pitch & it meant our left back got overlapped & United scored their winner. The pundit on Sky picked up on it too. On Saturday (& I forget which goal it was for) exactly the same thing happened so in the 1 year, 3 months & 8 days since that happened (The vast majority of which has been under Martinez) he has still not been coached to do that – & that’s coz he is by nature a centre forward so I’m baffled as to why Bobby is determined to turn him into a left winger.
Boselli isn’t a one man up front kind of centre forward & you can see that after 2 feckin games but Bobby will persist in playing him there in the same system
If any team finds themselves 3-0 down after 51 minutes I wouldn’t expect to see them plodding on with the same formatiom & same system of play. I’d expect to see em try & change things round to attempt to haul themselves back into the game – When the same thing happened to Latics on Saturday Bobby kept things exactly the same until we’d gone 4-0 down (although in fairness he’d been trying to make a change for a few minutes) and when the change did come it was simply like for like positional changes
What the feck will it take for him to realise that “his way” isn’t working???For the first time on Saturday I found myself agreeing with Mark Lawrenson when he summed up our game & said in his first sentence “they’ve learnt absolutely nothing from the mistakes they made last week”.
He summed up the whole of Martinez’s reign in one sentence thereAgree with what you say. Absolutely no variation or plan B. Could you imagine someone like O’Neill being so ‘one-dimensional’? No, me neither.
This fella is so out of his depth, and his repetitiveness in post match comments of “Harsh lessons….we must find positives….we need to learn lessons..” and all that just sound like someone trying to stretch out his tenure as long as possible.
If he’s not gone this week, or next, it’s a joke.
And I would NOT let him bring any more players in.
So we’ve had the useless Scotland, the annonymous Moreno, the disinterested Rodellega and now the over rated Boselli. The penny must be dropping. To play up front in Bob’s system is impossible.. None of the 4 lads are bad players. They are being asked to score goals and hold the ball up whilst the rest of the team tie themselves in knots passing it back and forth.Bob- if by some freakyou read this- abandon the system and give yourself a chance. 2 of your strikers up front and get the ball to them more quickly – why not knock a ball over the top every now and again. To continue as you are is suicide – and is driving me to drink !
spot on ,playing 1 up front is mad,it will not work for us,Boselli looks less than average,im sure he wasnt before he came,but all the talk about 1 man up front is useless if you cant defend,undone on saturday by 2 long balls from the back,and a keeper who doesnt know if hes coming or going.
We have to go to 4-4-2 and think about a long ball now and again,all this pocession sideways,backwards passing is useless if we get nothing out of it.Somet else I found odd on Saturday watching the game on telly (my match going now curtailed by refereeing, family commitments & moving house!!) was the 2 benches.
Ancelloti had his coaches & assistants alongside himon the front bench & they were giving constant feedback to each other
The cameras cut to a shot of Martinez & the Latics bench & Bobby’s assistants in Barrow & Jones were sat on the back row giving him no feedback – whether that’s Bobby’s choice or theirs I don’t know but I just found it bizarreWe played 4-4-2 under Bruce. Biggest load of utter dross and gash I ever saw, in my opinion, forgiven only by an uncharacteristicly decent run of results before Christmas.One of the reasons I was so pleased to see Martinez trying to play the way he does is because I don’t want to see a return to that kind of “entertainment”.
Admittedly, 442 isn’t always the big hoof and shyte that I recall being played under Bruce, but I really fail to see how a simple change of formation will turn this current crop of players into a decent premier league team.
Amen to that Griff.
once again this thread just highlights the bruce – martinez style debate -and griff i know you claim its your “opinion” but i am truly shocked at the anti bruce rhetoric you use,
many people were hurt and disgusted by the way bruce left us and i think that has clouded some of the things he did for us.
for the life of me i dont understand the way people accept martinez and claim his brand of football is somehow superior- it is the most boring uninspiring rubbish i have had the misfortune to watch and we dont even do it well -then his supporters go on to claim we beat 3 top 4 teams as well
lets look at how, we were supberb against chelsea, got a bit of luck for a change and a deserved win,we beat the worst liverpool team in 40 years in the middle of their worst spell of the season and had a 10 minute wonder spell against an arrogant arsenal side who thought they could just go through the motions,
during bruces last season we lost our opening day game at west ham – after a torrid first 15 minutes we battered them for the rest of the game – our first home v chelsea, deco scored from a free kick in the third minute we then battered them again for the rest of the game to no avail,we then went to hull and a 5-0 demolition of power and pace and we were thinking god we have a decent team here-add to that the convincing wins against city,newcastle,bolton and everton -then 2 games – liverpool away where we lost 3-2(robbed by the referee again)and blackburn at home 3-0 were the best performances EVER by any wigan athletic team.now we all know that the second half of the season did not continue in that vein,zakis bust ups and loss of form,heskey and palacious’s departures,catermoles absences ,vallencia’s dreaming of big moves and probably bruce becoming disillusioned with the selling and spending rules put in place,meant we ended on a whimper instead of a bang -but lets not forget it was the best team,playing the best football in our history for a short while.
let us also remember that under martinez – despite perhaps 4 games we have witnessed the worst run of defeats in our WHOLE history – the worst displays in our last 6 seasons and the WORST TEAM in our premiership tenure,we are breaking record after record for defeats and have become a laughing stock,not bad going that when 6 seasons ago we were everybodies favourite second team,a small town club living the dream and giving it a go.
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