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So we’ve had the useless Scotland, the annonymous Moreno, the disinterested Rodellega and now the over rated Boselli. The penny must be dropping. To play up front in Bob’s system is impossible.. None of the 4 lads are bad players. They are being asked to score goals and hold the ball up whilst the rest of the team tie themselves in knots passing it back and forth.
Bob- if by some freakyou read this- abandon the system and give yourself a chance. 2 of your strikers up front and get the ball to them more quickly – why not knock a ball over the top every now and again. To continue as you are is suicide – and is driving me to drink !
We should be fine now, we’re about to sign 4 players this week.
If N’Zogbia goes, we can spend a few million of the money in January on …
As people are probably aware I have no problem with 4-5-1 as a system if its played properly with players capable of operating that system but at present Latics don’t.
As people are probably aware I have no problem with 4-5-1 as a system if its played properly with players capable of operating that system but at present Latics don’t.
We don’t have the same team or style any more. Were you at that game?
That was back when we had an actual right winger, on the right wing, and the same on the left.
It was also back when Zaki was in top form, right before defences knew how to play against him.
If Valencia hadn’t gotten sent off (I still think his booking for “infringement” at a free kick was unjustified) we would have gotten at least a point from that fixture.
All the same, it was a very entertaining game of football. I also think you’ll find it was Steve Bruce stood in the technical area…
I know it was Bruce at in the technical area. That was my point ;) .. I wasn’t at the game but watched the whole 90 minutes a couple of weeks ago. My point was.. >>>
The Bruce – Martinez debate is a non starter.. if Bobby had the players Bruce had, then things might be different. Well he doesn’t and the sooner he plays to his strengths the better. Lets try old fashion things like tackling, defending and keeping possession. I couldn’t care what formation you play, what the division is or who the opposition are. Relegation shouldn’t be a fear for us (parachute payment etc) but getting tonked week in week out is hard to take when (as a fan) so much time and effort has been put in since our promotion to the football league.
New blood please Mr Whelan. Before the damage done is irreversible. Lets show the football world why this is such a great football club. Show our younger fans what a great club it is to support and why we are here, fighting as we always have done even before our election to the football league.
See you all, well some of you at the Sunderland game.
As people are probably aware I have no problem with 4-5-1 as a system if its played properly with players capable of operating that system but at present Latics don’t.
We don’t have the same team or style any more. Were you at that game?
That was back when we had an actual right winger, on the right wing, and the same on the left.
It was also back when Zaki was in top form, right before defences knew how to play against him.
If Valencia hadn’t gotten sent off (I still think his booking for “infringement” at a free kick was unjustified) we would have gotten at least a point from that fixture.
All the same, it was a very entertaining game of football. I also think you’ll find it was Steve Bruce stood in the technical area…[/quote]
So you’re saying that having N’Zogbia on the right was a bad thing? Play of the year suggests not.
Agree with Hugo on the left though. Not a good idea having your best goal threat ont wing.
And yes, Bruce is a more experienced and better manager than Martinez, which is why ultimately, he left us for a bigger club. Just like anyone that does well for us. Except Whelan that is.
Interesting to see that Scotland has now signed for Ipswich and said that the atmosphere at Wigan wasn’t g reat because there were lots of French and Spanish speaking players. This is getting to the heart of the problem isn’t it ? Play a really complex system with players who don’t understand each other and who don’t like each other.
Roberto – you brought this mad mixture of players together and got them playing this mad system. Make it simple- or accept we are in for a season of humiliation with more goals against than supporters.
As people are probably aware I have no problem with 4-5-1 as a system if its played properly with players capable of operating that system but at present Latics don’t.
We don’t have the same team or style any more. Were you at that game?
That was back when we had an actual right winger, on the right wing, and the same on the left.
It was also back when Zaki was in top form, right before defences knew how to play against him.
If Valencia hadn’t gotten sent off (I still think his booking for “infringement” at a free kick was unjustified) we would have gotten at least a point from that fixture.
All the same, it was a very entertaining game of football. I also think you’ll find it was Steve Bruce stood in the technical area…[/quote]
If Valencia stayed on, we would of got a 3rdAll I can say to that Griff is that you really must have hated watching latics under Steve Bruce coz in my 23 years of following Latics in all 4 divisions I don’t think I’ve witnessed a worse attempt at playing football than what we’re seeing under Martinez (& I include the year & a bit of Kenny Swain’s reign in that too)I did hate it, that’s exactly right. I have said it many times on here before.
But I never said that this current team is making a good attempt at trying to play the way Martinez wants us to play. I just like that style of play and hoped that he could make it work. He hasn’t, there are few signs that it will, and that’s why I suggested on Sunday that it might be time for a change.
But I really didn’t enjoy watching the football we played under Bruce. Big generalisation, I know. Forget the results; I said when Martinez was appointed that I would actually prefer to lose 3-2 tyring to play a more attractive way than win 1-0 under Bruce’s style of play. 5-0, 4-0, 8-0, 6-0 and 9-1, however, is a totally different ball game.
All I can say to that Griff is that you really must have hated watching latics under Steve Bruce coz in my 23 years of following Latics in all 4 divisions I don’t think I’ve witnessed a worse attempt at playing football than what we’re seeing under Martinez (& I include the year & a bit of Kenny Swain’s reign in that too)
I did hate it, that’s exactly right. I have said it many times on here before.
But I never said that this current team is making a good attempt at trying to play the way Martinez wants us to play. I just like that style of play and hoped that he could make it work. He hasn’t, there are few signs that it will, and that’s why I suggested on Sunday that it might be time for a change.
But I really didn’t enjoy watching the football we played under Bruce. Big generalisation, I know. Forget the results; I said when Martinez was appointed that I would actually prefer to lose 3-2 tyring to play a more attractive way than win 1-0 under Bruce’s style of play. 5-0, 4-0, 8-0, 6-0 and 9-1, however, is a totally different ball game.[/quote]
griff does this mean that the darth vader costume is finally going to get an airing ?
The Bruce – Martinez debate is a non starter.. if Bobby had the players Bruce had, then things might be different.Unlikely Bolshy – bar a couple of notable exceptions (Heskey, Palacios), the current squad is not worse than the one under Bruce. The difference is the management.
1. Bruce and his staff came with bags of top flight (playing and managing) experience and had been through the wars in the Prem and Championship
2. Although Martinez is talismanic for the fans, he ain’t jack to to squad. Bruce is famous and respected amongst players
3. As a defender, Bruce knew the secret to success the Prem is having a solid back line, not bags of goalsAs for his playing style, I don’t remember many folk complaining when we were hovering around 7th spot – and I don’t remember it being turgid…yes it was direct, and much of it was played down the middle, but a lot of that was due to having a strong spine in Heskey,Palacios and Bramble.
Whilst I’d love Wigan to be able to play like Arsenal or Barca, I would rather watch committed, direct football where we won/drew more than we lost, rather than attractive but lightweight and toothless football that gets us annihilated and embarrassed.
Griff’s as entitled to his opinion as anyone else I guess but I do have trouble understanding how someone could prefer to see us “try” to play Bobby’s style of football as opposed to what we saw under Bruce but each to their own I guess
I think that unfortunately Bruce’s reign is badly tainted by what happened post-Tottenham home game during his last season in charge where lets not forget we only won three times in 18 games, scoring a mere 10 goals. A record which if carried over the course of a season would have only netted us 31 points & 21 goals. It was IMO increasingly awful to watch
However IMO I also think there a very good reasons behind that slump that can’t really be laid at the blame of the management team.
Bruce didn’t want to sell Heskey or Palacios but was instructed to by Whelan – so you had the midfield dynamo & attacking focus of the team ripped out from under him. Valencia (whilst stating that he wanted to stay) had had his head turned, didn’t wanna ruin his chance of a move to Man United & his “injury problems” returned with avengance
Personally I think Bruce & his management team were completely demoralised by what Whelan instructed them to do & it transferred onto the players – They were paid alot of money so should have been able to cope with that but it would have been hard when one minute you’re looking at strengthening to push for that European spot & the next minute your chairman is telling you that safety is achieved, your job is done & sell players now to raise funds for next seasons signings
As happened in our 1st season up when Jewell just insisted on talking about safety, when Whelan said & acted the way he did I think it transferred on to the players as “job done” lads & they slacked off
Cattermole also missed the vast majority of the second half of the season either through suspension or injuryWhat we have now IMO is a situation created (in the main) by the manager & his lack of tactical flexibility amongst many other things
griff does this mean that the darth vader costume is finally going to get an airing ?:)
No mate, I have never once wavered in my views. I still think this way is the correct way to play, it’s just a shame we cannot do it. I am not afraid of relegation – in our financial structure, it has to happen some time – but I don’t want us to go down losing 5 and 6 nil every week. If that means changing the manager, then so be it.
The Bruce – Martinez debate is a non starter.. if Bobby had the players Bruce had, then things might be different.
Unlikely Bolshy – bar a couple of notable exceptions (Heskey, Palacios), the current squad is not worse than the one under Bruce. The difference is the management.
1. Bruce and his staff came with bags of top flight (playing and managing) experience and had been through the wars in the Prem and Championship
2. Although Martinez is talismanic for the fans, he ain’t jack to to squad. Bruce is famous and respected amongst players
3. As a defender, Bruce knew the secret to success the Prem is having a solid back line, not bags of goalsAs for his playing style, I don’t remember many folk complaining when we were hovering around 7th spot – and I don’t remember it being turgid…yes it was direct, and much of it was played down the middle, but a lot of that was due to having a strong spine in Heskey,Palacios and Bramble.
Whilst I’d love Wigan to be able to play like Arsenal or Barca, I would rather watch committed, direct football where we won/drew more than we lost, rather than attractive but lightweight and toothless football that gets us annihilated and embarrassed.[/quote]
Agreed, you could argue that Zog’s game has improved under Martinez (even though he wants to leave) and we have got a few big wins which we wouldn’t have got under Bruce but there is no way we would have been whooped by Blackpool, Chelsea, Utd, Spurs, etc like we have been.
For the first time in my life I wanna see Wigan nil nil’s. This is the first premier league season I feel like the drop is very realistic after the first couple of games.
We’ve always lost badly to United, bar that match after the League Cup final when we were very unlucky not to come out of it with a draw. Chelsea just batter everybody these days, too, but I agree that there was a time when playing a team like Spurs would be a match you’d hope to get a point from at home.
I also remember those wonderful days when we’d get 6 points against Man City, that looks likely to change very quickly if the battering we got at wastelands is an indication.
We can’t even seem to beat Bolton or West Ham anymore, and they’re bound to be around us come the second half of the season. The instant you’re not getting points from those around you is when you should be preparing for life back in the Championship.
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