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And so it came to pass that on the 3rd day of January 2015, Wigan Athletic’s 20 year golden period finally came to an end.
Better get used to it – the golden years are well and truly over. I’ve seen a lot of blame thrown in lots of directions recently – at the players, managers, chairman, club staff and even fans – but in reality our club has been in decline since Bruce got us to 40 points in February 2008.
For a few weeks now I’ve been trying to make sense of it, and every time I end up at the same place – Whelan and his decisions.
Don’t get me wrong, without Dave we’d have never had the last 20 years – he has been a godsend for our club in many ways. But his judgement in the last few years has been circumspect.
Imagine if he had backed Bruce in 2008 and not sold off our best assets? Imagine if he’d not allowed clubs to court Bob. Imagine if he’d not let McLaren slip through his fingers for the sake of a few quid. Imagine if he’d thought a bit more about the implications on the club of taking on Malky for the sake of another cheap deal.
Vs one missed shrewd investment in McLaren, he is now paying for it in droves with 3 possibly 4 managers in 2 years, an extra season in the 2nd tier and a possible relegation.We are in a very bad place and Malky isn’t going to save us. Right now we need to be led and managed by folk who understand the club, it fans and the town. You can see it in his eyes – Malky doesn’t care about us. He’s only here cos nobody else’ll have him…and why should the players care about him when even he might be gone soon too?
Nobody is better for this club than someone who genuinely understands it, the town and the fans. That will be even more crucial when Whelan steps away.
Whelan knows that and got it right when he combined his own passion with the likes of Jewell, Bruce and Bob. He needs to remember that now or risk unravelling everything he’s built and have us fall back down into footballing obscurity.Good post.
I’d join you at the appointment of Coyle over Mclaren, I think under Mclaren we’d be at least in Derbys position right now.
I won’t go into blaming Dave Whelan until the appointment of this current poison. The day he was appointed it was all over, Yesterday just confirmed it.
Think some folk need a reality check. The truth is that due to Whelans shrewd management we got to a place we had no right to be given our size. No club that averages gates of 15k home fans managed to stay in the Premier league for as long as we did let alone finish up with silverware so to blame Whelan is ridiculous. So the last 18 months haven’t been great (Europa league, Wembley and play off semi apart) and he may have selected cluelesss Managers but as fans of our club we have had to put up with just over 4 months of poor performances. Boo fuckin hoo! We are all wiser after the event. Loads on here didn’t want McLaren. He was seen as a joke in this country after his time with England and its also worth saying lots wanted Mackay. He hasn’t been able to halt our alarming slide with a change in fortune yet hasn’t been able to sign a player yet so can only truly be judged when he has that chance surely. We all know he has inherited a team with no decent strikers and for all the Deport/Riera fantasists most have seen with their own eyes that they aren’t the answer no more than Fortune. ‘You can see by his eyes he doesn’t care’. Like Bruce did when he walked out on us twice? Like Bob did when he walked out on us post relegation? Take the good times with the bad times. We are three points from safety with around half a season to go. We are 5-2 to go down not the 1-8s some on here seem to make us.
Well said big Roy
Wait till malky has a chance to bring in/ work with his own players
He inherited a squad , some of which either don’t want to or shouldn’t be here for various reasons
Let him shape his own squad, it’s way too early to judge the man
As wigan fans, we have seen a phenomenal rise and the dream is not over, we’re just having a temporary nightmare
Keep the faith, new year, new start
This window will be very interestingWell said big Roy
Wait till malky has a chance to bring in/ work with his own players
He inherited a squad , some of which either don’t want to or shouldn’t be here for various reasons
Let him shape his own squad, it’s way too early to judge the man
As wigan fans, we have seen a phenomenal rise and the dream is not over, we’re just having a temporary nightmare
Keep the faith, new year, new start
This window will be very interestingCorrect nipple. People are blaming Malky and were blaming Rosler. The common factor is the players. Some of them need to realise they are at Wigan for a reason (in other words they aren’t as good as they think) and start playing football. Hopefully Malky can bring some hungry lads in but I think as usual we need to sell first.
I also think the backroom staff should go. They’re the common factor in the last 4 managers. Different Managers yet similar tactics such as 11 men in the box to defend a corner yet only 8 at an attacking corner. Its just asking to be put under pressure.
Not everything in the Wigan Athletic garden is green, but the field is far from wasteland just yet.
How the feck can you blame the players over keep selecting the same players I.e Fortune who isn’t good enough to play, we have seen no plan B, in fact we have, he played no strikers.
How can you say lads aren’t good enough when we haven’t seen them play.
Bolton played a 19yo who destroyed us yesterday. We played nobody different apart from Ali who had a blinder.Nobody is blaming Whelan about our success merely pointing out where we have probably gone wrong.
No hindsight on my part over McLaren, most people on here didn’t want him and would rather point to his wally with the brolly reputation.
Right now those same people are waiting for this clueless clown to bring in his cloggers to save us. Can’t feckin wait. Same formation, shite football, scraping a survival at best, even Brighton have turned a corner now with a new man. We are the only team to appoint someone and be failing badly.
There wasn’t much wrong with the original post, it was all pretty much a factual assessment, which some of you don’t want to see for some reason.
How the feck can you blame the players over keep selecting the same players I.e Fortune who isn’t good enough to play, we have seen no plan B, in fact we have, he played no strikers.
How can you say lads aren’t good enough when we haven’t seen them play.
Bolton played a 19yo who destroyed us yesterday. We played nobody different apart from Ali who had a blinder.Nobody is blaming Whelan about our success merely pointing out where we have probably gone wrong.
No hindsight on my part over McLaren, most people on here didn’t want him and would rather point to his wally with the brolly reputation.
Right now those same people are waiting for this clueless clown to bring in his cloggers to save us. Can’t feckin wait. Same formation, shite football, scraping a survival at best, even Brighton have turned a corner now with a new man. We are the only team to appoint someone and be failing badly.
There wasn’t much wrong with the original post, it was all pretty much a factual assessment, which some of you don’t want to see for some reason.
We live in a democracy, and this is a forum or a place to debate and air you’re views isn’t it?
We are all entitled to share/ air our views and opinions, but we all have a common love of our fantastic club
A short time ago in football terms I was stood in the cowshed watching away fans sliding down a mudbank
Remember how far we have come and it can’t all be rosy, but we will overcome this temporary blip and rise again, do you know why? Because we are little wigan, taking the piss
It’s time to batton down the hatches, stick together and do what we do best, confound the odds and rise again.Changes of Manager will only work if the players buy into his philosophies. Some of them haven’t. Most teams see players start to work their socks off in a bid to impress the new guy and get in the side. Ours haven’t done that and are just as lazy as they were under Rosler. You can sack Manager after Manager but if you still have the same set of un-interested, not arsed players then you’ll still struggle.
The world is ending for wigan ath after a bad 6 months, so it seems, some teams have had a bad 20 years. This was always going to happen we have just got to ride the storm.
Changes of Manager will only work if the players buy into his philosophies. Some of them haven’t. Most teams see players start to work their socks off in a bid to impress the new guy and get in the side. Ours haven’t done that and are just as lazy as they were under Rosler. You can sack Manager after Manager but if you still have the same set of un-interested. not arsed players then you’ll still struggle.What i coudnt get over if Maloney is going?why play Him. Give some of the younger players a chance.Nowt to lose they might even show more hunger for the game.
How the feck can you blame the players over keep selecting the same players I.e Fortune who isn’t good enough to play, we have seen no plan B, in fact we have, he played no strikers.
How can you say lads aren’t good enough when we haven’t seen them play.
Bolton played a 19yo who destroyed us yesterday. We played nobody different apart from Ali who had a blinder.Nobody is blaming Whelan about our success merely pointing out where we have probably gone wrong.
No hindsight on my part over McLaren, most people on here didn’t want him and would rather point to his wally with the brolly reputation.
Right now those same people are waiting for this clueless clown to bring in his cloggers to save us. Can’t feckin wait. Same formation, shite football, scraping a survival at best, even Brighton have turned a corner now with a new man. We are the only team to appoint someone and be failing badly.
There wasn’t much wrong with the original post, it was all pretty much a factual assessment, which some of you don’t want to see for some reason.
We live in a democracy, and this is a forum or a place to debate and air you’re views isn’t it?
We are all entitled to share/ air our views and opinions, but we all have a common love of our fantastic clubAbsolutely right about opinions.
My point being the original poster was referring to actual, factual events over the last few months.
The fact that we’re having a bad time doesn’t bother me, I went Shrewsbury away the last game of one season with Peter Skipper as captain with about 300 of us and the football was dog awful but we were all in it together.
Right now I don’t think that’s the case and to talk of giving a manager who obviously has no motivation skills, bad tactics and the point nobody has mentioned, some form of war chest to keep us up when he himself might not be here far into the new year seems crazy to me.
Oh well we can all keep quoting we’ve seen worse times, fact is I don’t want to drop a division ever again and right now that’s where we are going with this mon.
Changes of Manager will only work if the players buy into his philosophies. Some of them haven’t. Most teams see players start to work their socks off in a bid to impress the new guy and get in the side. Ours haven’t done that and are just as lazy as they were under Rosler. You can sack Manager after Manager but if you still have the same set of un-interested. not arsed players then you’ll still struggle.
What i coudnt get over if Maloney is going?why play Him. Give some of the younger players a chance.Nowt to lose they might even show more hunger for the game.[/quote]
That’s a good question. I’m guessing maybe he thinks he can give us that piece of brilliance and it’s worth it. Personally I agree with you, he wouldn’t get in the side.
You could of said the same about espinoza everyone as known he been leaving for months but we have limited options at the moment
Changes of Manager will only work if the players buy into his philosophies. Some of them haven’t. Most teams see players start to work their socks off in a bid to impress the new guy and get in the side. Ours haven’t done that and are just as lazy as they were under Rosler. You can sack Manager after Manager but if you still have the same set of un-interested, not arsed players then you’ll still struggle.Spot on egg, that’s why we should accept the inevitability this season. A lot has been debated on here about what Malky see’s on the training ground and it is obvious that he doesn’t think we have anyone in the squad to replace the dross we put out every week.Why else would he pick the players who are letting him down badly?. I don’t see us improving enough this season and a serious overhaul is needed here both on and off the field. It is not the end of the world if we go down but I do wonder if we do will Malky want to stick around and rectify the situation. We will get it right but maybe not this season.
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