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Changes of Manager will only work if the players buy into his philosophies. Some of them haven’t. Most teams see players start to work their socks off in a bid to impress the new guy and get in the side. Ours haven’t done that and are just as lazy as they were under Rosler. You can sack Manager after Manager but if you still have the same set of un-interested. not arsed players then you’ll still struggle.
What i coudnt get over if Maloney is going?why play Him. Give some of the younger players a chance.Nowt to lose they might even show more hunger for the game.[/quote]
I sort of agree – but he vey nearly snatched us a drsw on Saturday.
I suppose we all knew deep down that the “fall” was just round the corner after spending season after season just a budgies dick off going down. What got me the way the collapse snowballed and hasn’t stopped.
We’ll only clearout when we go down and players who are on good brass move on and younger hungrier players take their slots in the team. There’s is alot to be said about homegrown players the likes of Harry Kane it makes you proud as a fan. Lets give some of our own a sniff.
I still remember David Glenn (Glenny), he would play at home and be in Crofters before me !! his hair still wet ! be we were all proud that one of our own was playing.
Titus Bramble didn’t cost us anywhere near as dearly as Gary Caldwell, who’s still bleeding the club dry as a “captain” who never plays and a “coach” whose calamitous decisions suggest he shouldn’t be let near a training ground.
Titus Bramble didn’t cost us anywhere near as dearly as Gary Caldwell, who’s still bleeding the club dry as a “captain” who never plays and a “coach” whose calamitous decisions suggest he shouldn’t be let near a training ground.My point being that Bruce was probably allowed to spend more on wages than any other mamager we have had
And my point is that Titus Bramble for 18 months at 45k a week is much less of a waste than Gary Galdwell for four years at 20k. Especially given the amount of games Caldwell’s been available for in the last two years.
IMO people need to take a serious reality check with this “rise & fall” malarky. We are wigan athletic. One of the smallest clubs not just in premier league terms, even championship, but within all 4 divisions. We have only been a league club since 1978 when i made my bow as a young 6 year old supporter & what i have seen this club achieve in a small amount of time is brilliant in my eyes. Yes we are having a hard time at the moment. But throughout my football watching years i have seen clubs greater & bigger than ourselves suffer similar or even worse situations (given the size of that club) but they have always bounced back. It might not be immediately, it may take 5, 10, 15, 20 years before they get back but they do in the end. Football consists if ups & downs -:just get on with it. I am.
And my point is that Titus Bramble for 18 months at 45k a week is much less of a waste than Gary Galdwell for four years at 20k. Especially given the amount of games Caldwell’s been available for in the last two years.Oh dear. My point was that Bruce was allowed to spend that kind of money on which allowed him to, theoretically, attract better players. Martinez’s budget was much lower, certainly after first season (possibly because he wasted all that money on Boselli, granted!). I have no idea why you brought Caldwell into it.
Because he’s indicative of how wasting money was not restricted to Bruce. Personally, I think Rosler spending £6m on two strikers he never picked was more wasteful. And I’d rather keep 20 players on Steve Bruce wages than a squad of 30 on Rösler wages.
Because he’s indicative of how wasting money was not restricted to Bruce. Personally, I think Rosler spending £6m on two strikers he never picked was more wasteful. And I’d rather keep 20 players on Steve Bruce wages than a squad of 30 on Rösler wages.OK, fair enough. Bramble was a bad example becasue I wasn’t trying to suggest that Bruce had wasted money, just that he had more of it to spend and therefore had the opportunity to bring in better quality players.
Bramble always sticks in my mind though, because to me, it’s an indication of how mental football had become when Wigan Athletic were spending £40k per week on a player like that.
Because he’s indicative of how wasting money was not restricted to Bruce. Personally, I think Rosler spending £6m on two strikers he never picked was more wasteful. And I’d rather keep 20 players on Steve Bruce wages than a squad of 30 on Rösler wages.
OK, fair enough. Bramble was a bad example becasue I wasn’t trying to suggest that Bruce had wasted money, just that he had more of it to spend and therefore had the opportunity to bring in better quality players.
Bramble always sticks in my mind though, because to me, it’s an indication of how mental football had become when Wigan Athletic were spending £40k per week on a player like that.[/quote]
And seemingly Bramble put a large portion of that £40k aside to help him retire at the age of 31!!!
Unless there is another reason he hasn’t played since being released from Sunderland 2 years ago.Because he’s indicative of how wasting money was not restricted to Bruce. Personally, I think Rosler spending £6m on two strikers he never picked was more wasteful. And I’d rather keep 20 players on Steve Bruce wages than a squad of 30 on Rösler wages.
OK, fair enough. Bramble was a bad example becasue I wasn’t trying to suggest that Bruce had wasted money, just that he had more of it to spend and therefore had the opportunity to bring in better quality players.
Bramble always sticks in my mind though, because to me, it’s an indication of how mental football had become when Wigan Athletic were spending £40k per week on a player like that.[/quote]
And seemingly Bramble put a large portion of that £40k aside to help him retire at the age of 31!!!
Unless there is another reason he hasn’t played since being released from Sunderland 2 years ago.[/quote]I don’t think his penchant for groping girls in taxis has helped his career
The fall of Wigan Athletic??
Of course it is. A relegation place this year would still be our 12th highest finish ever.
I just turn up to the home games with a bit of hope that things will turn and we will see a glorious victory and a hatful of goals.
it’s been hard this season but I say to the folk who have stuck with it through these tough times you have proved you are a true supporter of the club and I reckon we have at least 10,000 diehards who will turn up regardless of the division.
The other 6000 tossers who have deserted I say go @@@@ yourself !!!First chance I’ve to respond, but to cover most comments…
Yes Roy shrewd management and stars aligning with Jewell did get us to a place we should never have got to. But that proves why this is not just a 4-6 month blip – if anything 2003-2013 was the blip and we are now resetting back into a more natural position for a club of our size.
I never said this was the end forever and we’d never rise again, but the likelihood in the near future, nippleslip, of us getting another footballing, town loving, rich chairman like DW and combining he/she with a successful ex Wigan manager to confound the odds again is very remote.
You can’t blame players Egg without some of that blame going to the management (team and club). Tez is right that it’s madness that we haven’t even slightly blooded our expensive new signings, even when the existing ones haven’t performed.
Martin is also right – the business model is flawed, mainly because it lacks vision. Back in ’95 DW had a vision and he achieved it 10 years later, but not long after he didn’t set another one. Bob came in helped with that, but now he’s gone and we’re back to not having any clear direction except “Get back in t’ Premier”.
Finally, it was Hutchings that signed Bramble, not Bruce – and IMO he was our best CB after Arry…so was well worth the money, esp. as he came on a free.
Bramble was a great player for us as was Heskey, another player ridiculed but we haven’t half revived some careers as well as bringing some lads through over the years.
My mates brother, dentist, did Brambles teeth once and there was that much work done when he got his bill, his eyes popped out of his head and said send it to the club.
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