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What a sanctimonious and sycophantic post! Have you ever thought that we might be of a more passionate nature, not a bad trait in my eyes! You have called fans before today for rising out of their seats in your stand and getting animated, well that is a passionate fan and there is nothing wrong with it! Fans come from all manner of backgrounds but come match day they are one in my book and just because some happen to have degrees and the like and work in an office environment, they are no better than say the working class guy who works on a shop floor or on a building site! Football matches are a far far cry from the sterile atmosphere of your typical office !
Not really. But it’s clearly touched a nerve with you. Why are linking the ability to support a club properly with where you work? What utter nonsense. Again![/quote]
Of course it has touched a nerve, that is why I responded! I would also say that most office wallowers are more controlled with their emotions on match days and prefer the comfort and literacy of the football forum to air their respective views whilst your proper working class salt of the Earth types are more passionate and like to get animated and into the whole matchday experience! So it’s not really about the ability to support a club, it’s just about different people! You once slated Horc for swearing, well swearing is commonplace on the football terraces, always has been, always will be! That is why many clubs introduced family stands![/quote]
Oh my God, that is so pathetic – playing the “class card”. That is definately the last resort of a scoundrel in attempting to win an argument.
Sometimes Fil it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt (with acknowledgements to Samuel Johnson and Abraham Lincoln).[/quote]
Lincoln or Twain I thought? Actually comes from the bible I believe!
Argument? This isn’t an argument, this is me having a view that I am entitled to, it is Griff who as per usual has become derogatory and insulting and so I have merely mentioned that there are different types of folk who attend football games and they all act differently, he has to understand that!
By the way, the last resort of a scoundrel attempting to win an argument is to pull someone up on their grammar and so therefore I must tell you owd fella that it is ‘Definitely’ and not ‘Definately’! Have a good evening and don’t drink too much port will you owd chap! ;)[/quote]You have definitely removed all doubt now Fil – no need to go on. As my my old science teacher would say “Quad Est Demonstrandum”.[/quote]
In all honesty my last riposte to you was tongue in cheek and meant as a bit of leg pulling, ambiguity may have clouded your vision but probably not! ha ha ha ;)
Fil, i found your reply to my post very fascinating indeed. I apologise for getting it wrong about your length of time supporting the tics, but your statement about deciding to come down one day when weekends became available – !!!!!!!. It sounds like you was looking through the leagues looking for a football club & thought, “Ah, wigan look like they’re on the up, just had a recent promotion, doing well in div 1/championship, ambitions of getting into the prem. Yes , that is who i will support.”
You then say that fans such as yourself are more passionate & less accepting of our current predicament than the “older brigade”. Do you think we are happy about how this season has panned out & the soap opera circus that has accompanied it. I will bet the answer is a resounding no. But, us older supporters have seen times far worse than this , so whilst not happy, just simply accept it & move on. One example of a dark fay was when i chucked in 20p of my pocket money(a lot in those days) so i could contribute in paying a players wages. Years later i chucked in even more money to help keep this club (i love so much & am deeply passionate about) alive. & as for passion fil, you should sit next to me on a matchday. I bet i share the same passion now as i did as a 6 year old kid back in 1978.
The fact is fil, you are supposed to support a club through both its good times & its bad ones. You IMO have only witnessed good times throughout your tenure as a supporter, albeit this season & already you are spitting out your dummy & debating on renewing your season ticket. As JR said, you are a classic case of a JCL. Fil, a football club is for life, not just for xmas & certainly not for good times only.
BTW, welcome back griff!!
My brother and his mates had been going on since 82 and I tagged along one day, no scrolling through the leagues to see who was doing well or the like!!
As for the passionate stuff, I’m not sure how long you have to have been a supporter to be passionate but my point was that some of the more passionate fans speak out whilst some of the less passionate ones seem accepting of the slump but that is nothing to do with what they witnessed back in the really dark days. Some of the fans who have been on here venting their spleen have been fans for decades. They have also seen the dark days but this season wasn’t anything like the dark days,this was a completely different scenario!
Now the spitting out of the dummy as you choose to call it. I have said that I am not happy with the club’s latest decision which I happen to think will be another massive faux pas. I am not happy about what I have been told re reverting back to the Martinez way of football and so on the back of this season just gone I am not sure whether I will renew. One of my mates stopped coming on because he had a grievance with the way things were going and he is one of the 1982 crew, is he a JCL? Season tickets are expensive and when you fork out over £300 for something that with hindsight turned out to be in my opinion a complete waste of money then forgive me for being wary of wasting even more money! Just how many ‘Real fans’ are there then? Will it take a couple more relegations to find out? I was meant to jump ship as soon as we went down from the Prem according to some ‘Real fans’! I will say this one last time, I have not made a decision yet on renewing but the reason for this is not because we got relegated and I spat my dummy out as you say, it is because I too have a grievance with the club, just like my mate did and whether I have been coming 12 years or 32 years it is surely my prerogative! If I decide to walk away this season then I will be deemed a JCL but was I not one to start with? The thing is I have never been accepted as a proper fan despite buying a season ticket for 11 continuous seasons! I had no real affiliation with any other club prior to supporting Wigan, supporting is when you pay to see them is it not? and I definitely do not secretly follow one of the big time charlie clubs! I wonder how many out there leapt out of their chairs fist pumping the air when Ole Gunnar Solskjær stuck out his leg in the 99 Champions League final? Be honest and don’t say it was because they beat the Germans either! ha ha
At the end of the day, I could have said nothing and made my decision without any of you knowing but I have come on here for several years now, I was a member of the old version and so even though many have never thought of me as a fan, I do think that I am a fan and I have always spoke my mind and yeah sometimes it is utter bollocks that I spout because I flit between wind ups and sincerity, this is the latter![/quote]Fil, I agree with you with regards the fact that it is completely irrelevant how long an individual has supported (or been a fan of) the tics. However, the gripe I have with you (& in some respects, with people who you know) is the fact that you & they have thrown in the towel or are about to by becoming disillusioned with how things are run at wigan athletic. As I wrote in my previous post, a football club is for life & as a supporter/fan, one must stick by that club through both the good times & bad. Anyway, whether you decide to stay or stop coming, it won’t matter one jot to me. I’ll be there no matter what.
& for the record, although I have been a wigan supporter all my life, I did pump the air with my fist when ole gunnar solskjar stuck out his leg, as I did when dudek pulled off his grobbelaar impersonations in 2005 & likewise when drogba put away the crucial penalty a couple of seasons ago. Basically, I support ALL English clubs in Europe irrespective of who they are – I even cheered on Bolton :ohmy:
in their Europa league campaign.[/quote]Shame on you re Bolton! :ohmy: Listen, I am disillusioned that the ambition of a few seasons ago seems to have all but gone! The austerity measures that were put in place were a little premature in my opinion and I got the impression that the towel had been thrown in way too early! As for the man at the top DW, some of his decisions and actions have been shocking!
I know deep down that I will be there next season but at this present moment in time I have no confidence in the club!Fil, i found your reply to my post very fascinating indeed. I apologise for getting it wrong about your length of time supporting the tics, but your statement about deciding to come down one day when weekends became available – !!!!!!!. It sounds like you was looking through the leagues looking for a football club & thought, “Ah, wigan look like they’re on the up, just had a recent promotion, doing well in div 1/championship, ambitions of getting into the prem. Yes , that is who i will support.”
You then say that fans such as yourself are more passionate & less accepting of our current predicament than the “older brigade”. Do you think we are happy about how this season has panned out & the soap opera circus that has accompanied it. I will bet the answer is a resounding no. But, us older supporters have seen times far worse than this , so whilst not happy, just simply accept it & move on. One example of a dark fay was when i chucked in 20p of my pocket money(a lot in those days) so i could contribute in paying a players wages. Years later i chucked in even more money to help keep this club (i love so much & am deeply passionate about) alive. & as for passion fil, you should sit next to me on a matchday. I bet i share the same passion now as i did as a 6 year old kid back in 1978.
The fact is fil, you are supposed to support a club through both its good times & its bad ones. You IMO have only witnessed good times throughout your tenure as a supporter, albeit this season & already you are spitting out your dummy & debating on renewing your season ticket. As JR said, you are a classic case of a JCL. Fil, a football club is for life, not just for xmas & certainly not for good times only.
BTW, welcome back griff!!
My brother and his mates had been going on since 82 and I tagged along one day, no scrolling through the leagues to see who was doing well or the like!!
As for the passionate stuff, I’m not sure how long you have to have been a supporter to be passionate but my point was that some of the more passionate fans speak out whilst some of the less passionate ones seem accepting of the slump but that is nothing to do with what they witnessed back in the really dark days. Some of the fans who have been on here venting their spleen have been fans for decades. They have also seen the dark days but this season wasn’t anything like the dark days,this was a completely different scenario!
Now the spitting out of the dummy as you choose to call it. I have said that I am not happy with the club’s latest decision which I happen to think will be another massive faux pas. I am not happy about what I have been told re reverting back to the Martinez way of football and so on the back of this season just gone I am not sure whether I will renew. One of my mates stopped coming on because he had a grievance with the way things were going and he is one of the 1982 crew, is he a JCL? Season tickets are expensive and when you fork out over £300 for something that with hindsight turned out to be in my opinion a complete waste of money then forgive me for being wary of wasting even more money! Just how many ‘Real fans’ are there then? Will it take a couple more relegations to find out? I was meant to jump ship as soon as we went down from the Prem according to some ‘Real fans’! I will say this one last time, I have not made a decision yet on renewing but the reason for this is not because we got relegated and I spat my dummy out as you say, it is because I too have a grievance with the club, just like my mate did and whether I have been coming 12 years or 32 years it is surely my prerogative! If I decide to walk away this season then I will be deemed a JCL but was I not one to start with? The thing is I have never been accepted as a proper fan despite buying a season ticket for 11 continuous seasons! I had no real affiliation with any other club prior to supporting Wigan, supporting is when you pay to see them is it not? and I definitely do not secretly follow one of the big time charlie clubs! I wonder how many out there leapt out of their chairs fist pumping the air when Ole Gunnar Solskjær stuck out his leg in the 99 Champions League final? Be honest and don’t say it was because they beat the Germans either! ha ha
At the end of the day, I could have said nothing and made my decision without any of you knowing but I have come on here for several years now, I was a member of the old version and so even though many have never thought of me as a fan, I do think that I am a fan and I have always spoke my mind and yeah sometimes it is utter bollocks that I spout because I flit between wind ups and sincerity, this is the latter![/quote]Fil, I agree with you with regards the fact that it is completely irrelevant how long an individual has supported (or been a fan of) the tics. However, the gripe I have with you (& in some respects, with people who you know) is the fact that you & they have thrown in the towel or are about to by becoming disillusioned with how things are run at wigan athletic. As I wrote in my previous post, a football club is for life & as a supporter/fan, one must stick by that club through both the good times & bad. Anyway, whether you decide to stay or stop coming, it won’t matter one jot to me. I’ll be there no matter what.
& for the record, although I have been a wigan supporter all my life, I did pump the air with my fist when ole gunnar solskjar stuck out his leg, as I did when dudek pulled off his grobbelaar impersonations in 2005 & likewise when drogba put away the crucial penalty a couple of seasons ago. Basically, I support ALL English clubs in Europe irrespective of who they are – I even cheered on Bolton :ohmy:
in their Europa league campaign.[/quote]Shame on you re Bolton! :ohmy: Listen, I am disillusioned that the ambition of a few seasons ago seems to have all but gone! The austerity measures that were put in place were a little premature in my opinion and I got the impression that the towel had been thrown in way too early! As for the man at the top DW, some of his decisions and actions have been shocking!
I know deep down that I will be there next season but at this present moment in time I have no confidence in the club![/quote]Now isn’t that much better than saying you may turn your back on the club. That is what all the fuss has been about on this thread.
I obviously don’t know your financial status and don’t want to, but how can you say you don’t like the fact of wasting £300 on a season ticket, when that’s only about 20 houses or about 4-5 hours work a year for you. B)
You are not dabbling with them horses again are you Fil?
:PFrom Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Fil, i found your reply to my post very fascinating indeed. I apologise for getting it wrong about your length of time supporting the tics, but your statement about deciding to come down one day when weekends became available – !!!!!!!. It sounds like you was looking through the leagues looking for a football club & thought, “Ah, wigan look like they’re on the up, just had a recent promotion, doing well in div 1/championship, ambitions of getting into the prem. Yes , that is who i will support.”
You then say that fans such as yourself are more passionate & less accepting of our current predicament than the “older brigade”. Do you think we are happy about how this season has panned out & the soap opera circus that has accompanied it. I will bet the answer is a resounding no. But, us older supporters have seen times far worse than this , so whilst not happy, just simply accept it & move on. One example of a dark fay was when i chucked in 20p of my pocket money(a lot in those days) so i could contribute in paying a players wages. Years later i chucked in even more money to help keep this club (i love so much & am deeply passionate about) alive. & as for passion fil, you should sit next to me on a matchday. I bet i share the same passion now as i did as a 6 year old kid back in 1978.
The fact is fil, you are supposed to support a club through both its good times & its bad ones. You IMO have only witnessed good times throughout your tenure as a supporter, albeit this season & already you are spitting out your dummy & debating on renewing your season ticket. As JR said, you are a classic case of a JCL. Fil, a football club is for life, not just for xmas & certainly not for good times only.
BTW, welcome back griff!!
My brother and his mates had been going on since 82 and I tagged along one day, no scrolling through the leagues to see who was doing well or the like!!
As for the passionate stuff, I’m not sure how long you have to have been a supporter to be passionate but my point was that some of the more passionate fans speak out whilst some of the less passionate ones seem accepting of the slump but that is nothing to do with what they witnessed back in the really dark days. Some of the fans who have been on here venting their spleen have been fans for decades. They have also seen the dark days but this season wasn’t anything like the dark days,this was a completely different scenario!
Now the spitting out of the dummy as you choose to call it. I have said that I am not happy with the club’s latest decision which I happen to think will be another massive faux pas. I am not happy about what I have been told re reverting back to the Martinez way of football and so on the back of this season just gone I am not sure whether I will renew. One of my mates stopped coming on because he had a grievance with the way things were going and he is one of the 1982 crew, is he a JCL? Season tickets are expensive and when you fork out over £300 for something that with hindsight turned out to be in my opinion a complete waste of money then forgive me for being wary of wasting even more money! Just how many ‘Real fans’ are there then? Will it take a couple more relegations to find out? I was meant to jump ship as soon as we went down from the Prem according to some ‘Real fans’! I will say this one last time, I have not made a decision yet on renewing but the reason for this is not because we got relegated and I spat my dummy out as you say, it is because I too have a grievance with the club, just like my mate did and whether I have been coming 12 years or 32 years it is surely my prerogative! If I decide to walk away this season then I will be deemed a JCL but was I not one to start with? The thing is I have never been accepted as a proper fan despite buying a season ticket for 11 continuous seasons! I had no real affiliation with any other club prior to supporting Wigan, supporting is when you pay to see them is it not? and I definitely do not secretly follow one of the big time charlie clubs! I wonder how many out there leapt out of their chairs fist pumping the air when Ole Gunnar Solskjær stuck out his leg in the 99 Champions League final? Be honest and don’t say it was because they beat the Germans either! ha ha
At the end of the day, I could have said nothing and made my decision without any of you knowing but I have come on here for several years now, I was a member of the old version and so even though many have never thought of me as a fan, I do think that I am a fan and I have always spoke my mind and yeah sometimes it is utter bollocks that I spout because I flit between wind ups and sincerity, this is the latter![/quote]Fil, I agree with you with regards the fact that it is completely irrelevant how long an individual has supported (or been a fan of) the tics. However, the gripe I have with you (& in some respects, with people who you know) is the fact that you & they have thrown in the towel or are about to by becoming disillusioned with how things are run at wigan athletic. As I wrote in my previous post, a football club is for life & as a supporter/fan, one must stick by that club through both the good times & bad. Anyway, whether you decide to stay or stop coming, it won’t matter one jot to me. I’ll be there no matter what.
& for the record, although I have been a wigan supporter all my life, I did pump the air with my fist when ole gunnar solskjar stuck out his leg, as I did when dudek pulled off his grobbelaar impersonations in 2005 & likewise when drogba put away the crucial penalty a couple of seasons ago. Basically, I support ALL English clubs in Europe irrespective of who they are – I even cheered on Bolton :ohmy:
in their Europa league campaign.[/quote]Shame on you re Bolton! :ohmy: Listen, I am disillusioned that the ambition of a few seasons ago seems to have all but gone! The austerity measures that were put in place were a little premature in my opinion and I got the impression that the towel had been thrown in way too early! As for the man at the top DW, some of his decisions and actions have been shocking!
I know deep down that I will be there next season but at this present moment in time I have no confidence in the club![/quote]Now isn’t that much better than saying you may turn your back on the club. That is what all the fuss has been about on this thread.
I obviously don’t know your financial status and don’t want to, but how can you say you don’t like the fact of wasting £300 on a season ticket, when that’s only about 20 houses or about 4-5 hours work a year for you. B)
You are not dabbling with them horses again are you Fil?
:P[/quote]No horses just football betting certainties! Anyhow not going into that again but it has provided me with funds for a season ticket! This season gone has been a right royal fuck up and I really did see it as a complete waste of money! The tippy tappy sideways backwards football thing worries me also and the fact that the manager now is a player who was very much maligned by the majority of our fans! Of course I will be renewing but I will also be moaning like fuck if there is no improvement, it is my right as a paying fan/supporter/customer! :)
I hope you are one of the first to buy your ticket Phil so we can shout some abuse at you on the pitch next Saturday.
I hope you are one of the first to buy your ticket Phil so we can shout some abuse at you on the pitch next Saturday.I’ll still be in Manchester, got a gig on Friday night! I do however change at Wigan coming home so might bob over,you going?
I’ve never met Fil but I’m sure him being on the pitch would be an improvement to what I have been watching.
On another note, I can remember an Owd Git posting all our problems were over, when all of our ‘stars’ left the club, did that change anything?
I can also remember another poster behaving like a complete bell end towards anybody that didn’t live in his cul de sac, that definitely hasn’t changed. Hopefully he’s back to being busy again.I’ve never met Fil but I’m sure him being on the pitch would be an improvement to what I have been watching.On another note, I can remember an Owd Git posting all our problems were over, when all of our ‘stars’ left the club, did that change anything?
I can also remember another poster behaving like a complete bell end towards anybody that didn’t live in his cul de sac, that definitely hasn’t changed. Hopefully he’s back to being busy again.Well I did play to a pretty high standard back in my youth, many thought I was better than Simon Farnworth but it was he who went onto better things! I have no regrets though!
Be careful Tez as thowd mon will zap you with his latin quotes gun! :)I’ve never met Fil but I’m sure him being on the pitch would be an improvement to what I have been watching.
On another note, I can remember an Owd Git posting all our problems were over, when all of our ‘stars’ left the club, did that change anything?
I can also remember another poster behaving like a complete bell end towards anybody that didn’t live in his cul de sac, that definitely hasn’t changed. Hopefully he’s back to being busy again.Well I did play to a pretty high standard back in my youth, many thought I was better than Simon Farnworth but it was he who went onto better things! I have no regrets though!
Be careful Tez as thowd mon will zap you with his latin quotes gun! :)[/quote]Here’s another quote for you Fil: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”
George Carlin
I’ve never met Fil but I’m sure him being on the pitch would be an improvement to what I have been watching.
On another note, I can remember an Owd Git posting all our problems were over, when all of our ‘stars’ left the club, did that change anything?
I can also remember another poster behaving like a complete bell end towards anybody that didn’t live in his cul de sac, that definitely hasn’t changed. Hopefully he’s back to being busy again.Well I did play to a pretty high standard back in my youth, many thought I was better than Simon Farnworth but it was he who went onto better things! I have no regrets though!
Be careful Tez as thowd mon will zap you with his latin quotes gun! :)[/quote]Here’s another quote for you Fil: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”
George Carlin[/quote]
You mean ‘Numquam virtutis minoris catervatim stultis’ ! ;)
I’ve never met Fil but I’m sure him being on the pitch would be an improvement to what I have been watching.
On another note, I can remember an Owd Git posting all our problems were over, when all of our ‘stars’ left the club, did that change anything?
I can also remember another poster behaving like a complete bell end towards anybody that didn’t live in his cul de sac, that definitely hasn’t changed. Hopefully he’s back to being busy again.Well I did play to a pretty high standard back in my youth, many thought I was better than Simon Farnworth but it was he who went onto better things! I have no regrets though!
Be careful Tez as thowd mon will zap you with his latin quotes gun! :)[/quote]Here’s another quote for you Fil: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”
George Carlin[/quote]
He’s another quote for you: “Good luck Malky and the New Latics. I am looking forward to the rest of the season with renewed excitement and I have a good feeling about it.”
A.Owdgit
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