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Think it’s time to sack Cook really. 4 points clear at the top of the league and in the 3rd round of the FA cup. His antics are getting beyond a joke now!
Ok guys & gals. Supposing we played a full strength team last night from walton/jones right through to grigg, & the likes of burn, byrne, jacobs, morsy & grigg as examples picked up very serious injuries. And, lets say for arguments sake, those injuries put those players out for the rest of the season.This would then result in fringe players, who many on here claim to be not good enough, getting regular starts & hence, our promotion push goes t*ts up.
Our goal this season is to WIN promotion from league 1, NOT (sad i know) the FA cup. Yes it would be nice to progress as far as we can. I believe that where fylde gave their all in both games against us, i believe that we too will give our all against bournemouth, & who knows, produce a giant killing result. Its the FA cup, & giant killing is part & parcel of it. Had fylde won last night, i would have been the first to congratulate them.
Can’t remember who has already said it, but i agree with them that our main focus this season is promotion & not the cup(s).
Did people really expect us to win 3 or 4 nothing? Was never going to happen. That was their cup final and they were always going to give us a game. They’re not actually a bad side. Look at our giant killing days when we were non-league and of course the wins over City. Were they not good enough after our win at The Etihad? They must have been half decent as they won the league. It’s sport. It happens. We probably under estimated them slightly as well.
Should we have rested players? Yes we should. Say what you want about the modern footballer but the way the game is these days they need to be rested whenever and wherever they can if you are going to get the best out if them week after week so with December being as busy as it is we had to rest some players. We will be better for it come the business end of the season.
Does the cup matter? Yes and no. Football is a business as someone else said and sadly there is no money in the cup anymore so it takes a back seat. As a fan I don’t like that but sadly it’s a fact and no matter how often we cry about it it isn’t going to change.
Sorry egg lad, normally I’m on the same wavelength as you most of the time but I have to disagree wholeheartedly with you on this. Why does the modern player need resting as much as possible? What has changed in the game to warrant these fragile cherubs being so protected?. They are fitter, stronger have far better diets and training regime’s better pitches and equipment than players past who would be offended if left out of a game. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest ever told because of the successes in cup competitions and did it hinder our rise through the leagues? Did it bollox. Cook luckily got away with it last night. These are professional sportsmen and if they cannot reach the required fitness levels needed to compete in every game of a season then they should find another career. Also why does it appear that only players in this country need these RESTS. Messi and Ronaldo hardly ever miss games injuries apart. Sorry again egg but I will never accept that players need to miss games because “its the modern game”.[/quote]
Players every moves are tracked nowadays both on the pitch and in training. Sky regularly show the distances covered by players in games which is usually over 10 miles and around marathon length for others. They do this upwards of 3 times a week, plus training where it’s possible they do more with sprints and warm up laps etc. It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
The days of the same XI for all 50+ games are long gone. Why do you think squads are now 25 man deep and not 12.
Regards Messi and Ronaldo, you will always get the odd genetic freak which is why we aren’t all marathon runners or all capable of the same things.
It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.Eddie Izzard managed 27 marathons in 27 days at the age of 55.
It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
Eddie Izzard managed 27 marathons in 27 days at the age of 55.[/quote]
But did he run them all at a professional pace? Did his performance drop in any of them?
Did people really expect us to win 3 or 4 nothing? Was never going to happen. That was their cup final and they were always going to give us a game. They’re not actually a bad side. Look at our giant killing days when we were non-league and of course the wins over City. Were they not good enough after our win at The Etihad? They must have been half decent as they won the league. It’s sport. It happens. We probably under estimated them slightly as well.
Should we have rested players? Yes we should. Say what you want about the modern footballer but the way the game is these days they need to be rested whenever and wherever they can if you are going to get the best out if them week after week so with December being as busy as it is we had to rest some players. We will be better for it come the business end of the season.
Does the cup matter? Yes and no. Football is a business as someone else said and sadly there is no money in the cup anymore so it takes a back seat. As a fan I don’t like that but sadly it’s a fact and no matter how often we cry about it it isn’t going to change.
Sorry egg lad, normally I’m on the same wavelength as you most of the time but I have to disagree wholeheartedly with you on this. Why does the modern player need resting as much as possible? What has changed in the game to warrant these fragile cherubs being so protected?. They are fitter, stronger have far better diets and training regime’s better pitches and equipment than players past who would be offended if left out of a game. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest ever told because of the successes in cup competitions and did it hinder our rise through the leagues? Did it bollox. Cook luckily got away with it last night. These are professional sportsmen and if they cannot reach the required fitness levels needed to compete in every game of a season then they should find another career. Also why does it appear that only players in this country need these RESTS. Messi and Ronaldo hardly ever miss games injuries apart. Sorry again egg but I will never accept that players need to miss games because “its the modern game”.[/quote]
Players every moves are tracked nowadays both on the pitch and in training. Sky regularly show the distances covered by players in games which is usually over 10 miles and around marathon length for others. They do this upwards of 3 times a week, plus training where it’s possible they do more with sprints and warm up laps etc. It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
The days of the same XI for all 50+ games are long gone. Why do you think squads are now 25 man deep and not 12.[/quote]
Muamba, Foe, etc had previously undetected heart conditions.
Stevie G, at his peak, averaged 11 miles a game, whilst Beckham at his peak, had the top fitness stats, and totally smashed the bleep test.
No disrespect, but our players are at the level they are because they arent up to that level of player. We havent got one player you would say “hes Premiership class”. People have said it about Powell, but if he had been anywhere near good enough for that, he wouldnt be at Wigan Athletic. I am not saying he cant ever improve and get up to that level, he has some real natural skill and ability. But hes a long way off yet and his fitness is holding him back, or rather his ability to pick up injuries quite easily.
There are players playing in the Premier League who I don’t rate. I dont like Sterling, for example. But these players have got themselves where they are and have the fitness. Theyve worked hard at it. As a teenager, Frank Lampard wasnt the best player at West Ham by a mile. Yet he stayed behind after training and worked hard, working on sprints, running, set piece skills, til it was dark. That dedication saw him improve and have the career he did have. Its determination to succeed. Instead of pissing about round town in fancy dress on their day off for a Christmas ‘piss up’, perhaps some of our lads couldve done with following Lampards example? But then again, players like Perkins, Roberts, etc are coming towards the end of their careers and as such, their chance has gone.
But such likes as Colclough, Grigg, Powell, Jacobs etc are still relatively young and so if they put just that bit more dedication into improving themselves, they could end up at a higher level, with, or without, Wigan Athletic.
As the late Roy Castle said “Dedication, its what you need”.
Did people really expect us to win 3 or 4 nothing? Was never going to happen. That was their cup final and they were always going to give us a game. They’re not actually a bad side. Look at our giant killing days when we were non-league and of course the wins over City. Were they not good enough after our win at The Etihad? They must have been half decent as they won the league. It’s sport. It happens. We probably under estimated them slightly as well.
Should we have rested players? Yes we should. Say what you want about the modern footballer but the way the game is these days they need to be rested whenever and wherever they can if you are going to get the best out if them week after week so with December being as busy as it is we had to rest some players. We will be better for it come the business end of the season.
Does the cup matter? Yes and no. Football is a business as someone else said and sadly there is no money in the cup anymore so it takes a back seat. As a fan I don’t like that but sadly it’s a fact and no matter how often we cry about it it isn’t going to change.
Sorry egg lad, normally I’m on the same wavelength as you most of the time but I have to disagree wholeheartedly with you on this. Why does the modern player need resting as much as possible? What has changed in the game to warrant these fragile cherubs being so protected?. They are fitter, stronger have far better diets and training regime’s better pitches and equipment than players past who would be offended if left out of a game. The Wigan Athletic story is the greatest ever told because of the successes in cup competitions and did it hinder our rise through the leagues? Did it bollox. Cook luckily got away with it last night. These are professional sportsmen and if they cannot reach the required fitness levels needed to compete in every game of a season then they should find another career. Also why does it appear that only players in this country need these RESTS. Messi and Ronaldo hardly ever miss games injuries apart. Sorry again egg but I will never accept that players need to miss games because “its the modern game”.[/quote]
Players every moves are tracked nowadays both on the pitch and in training. Sky regularly show the distances covered by players in games which is usually over 10 miles and around marathon length for others. They do this upwards of 3 times a week, plus training where it’s possible they do more with sprints and warm up laps etc. It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
The days of the same XI for all 50+ games are long gone. Why do you think squads are now 25 man deep and not 12.[/quote]
So what the fookin hell are they demanding obscene salaries for if they are not up to the job. Should we outlaw sports like tennis and cycling coz face it those guys put the pampered pricks into shame. If they got paid if the played how many do you think would take kindly to being left out. And why is this so prevalent in the English leagues?. Its a nonsense that they cannot be expected to play week in week out.
In the words of Paul Jewell, fans are great at picking a team, AFTER the match.
There is nobody in this world can convince me that the team Cook played last night wasn’t good enough to tonk AFC Fylde.
I also disagree with the point that we haven’t got strength in depth. In normal circumstances if one, two or even three players are out injured or suspended, the majority of those players who played last night could slot in and do a job. Yes a couple more in January would be nice particularly cover for Morsey as he was unbelievably missed last night.
Does anyone remember the team that played Macclesfield when we won the FA cup?. Have a look and tell me what the difference was last night.From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
Eddie Izzard managed 27 marathons in 27 days at the age of 55.[/quote]
As a one off yes he did and all credit to him.
How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.
I’ve lost count of the number of times speccies sat near me yell to whoever to the manager of the time is, to “get such and suchabody off, he’s knackered”. Let’s face it, players fitness levels are scientifically measured in a lot more detail than we know about. I’m pretty sure the team selection last night was made with more than one eye on the next few weeks.
But did he run them all at a professional pace? Did his performance drop in any of them?It dropped after day 4, when he had to take a day off. But he made up for it on day 27 by doing two marathons.
How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.You asked earlier what the difference is between players nowadays and players who played every game in the past, and the answer is Sports Science.
Most players would play every single game if they could – as was the case in the past. It’s not them demanding a rest, it’s the sports scientists.
When players get to this level, they’re all of a similar standard, so it’s all about fine margins, and if a manager thinks he can get an edge on his opponents by resting his players and keeping them fresh and knock-free, he’ll do it.
When you get to the level, stature and age of someone like Rooney, then they might request some time off, but your average Wigan players is told when they are playing and when they are resting.
Bear in mind between now and New Year’s Day, they have five games to play – including one against Shrewsbury, so Cook’s more than likely resting players in anticipation of the busy Christmas schedule, rather than because they’re tired.
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