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It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
Eddie Izzard managed 27 marathons in 27 days at the age of 55.[/quote]
But I bet the other Eddie Izzard who rested instead of running the 26th marathon pissed all over him in their final race.Doesnt Cook take training anymore? Cant he see the players capabilities or lack of them, the buck stops with the manager end of!A team with 9 players who have played at Championship level and the others being experienced at L1 and L2 should easily beat a team who only went full time two years ago.
Byrne, Burn, Toney, Power, Colclough, Elder: I’d say pretty much every club in League One would snap your hand off if you offered any one of these to them.
Nothing wrong with the team selection. It’s the players’ aptitude that’s at fault
Doesnt Cook take training anymore? Cant he see the players capabilities or lack of them, the buck stops with the manager end of!
A team with 9 players who have played at Championship level and the others being experienced at L1 and L2 should easily beat a team who only went full time two years ago.
Byrne, Burn, Toney, Power, Colclough, Elder: I’d say pretty much every club in League One would snap your hand off if you offered any one of these to them.
Nothing wrong with the team selection. It’s the players’ aptitude that’s at fault[/quote]
I’d say ‘Attitude’ Johnny, not ‘Aptitude’! Possible predictive text maybe? ;)
Disagree about Roberts, thought he was one of only a few players who actually played ok. Others who did ok for me was Elder, Byrne and of course Grigg. The rest were diabolical bad.
It goes to show how we all see things differently.
George, you have referred to the young lad in goal as a clown on more than one occasion tonight. IMO he looked no worse than Jones has been, spilled a few shots, dropped the odd cross and of course held on to the ball for 6.9 seconds when the forward was moving with him trying to put him off. 99 times out of 100 the ref would have warned the forward to move away. Earlier he was jumping up and down in front of him for the free kick. Has ungentlemanly conduct been scratched out of the rule book.6.9 seconds? Really? It was more like double that.[/quote]
Yes it was longer than 6.9 secs but that was due to the forward impinging on his kicking zone. As I said, normally the ref would make the player move away but in this case he didn’t. This resulted in the long delay by he keeper releasing the ball. That’s how I saw it. It’s a similar thing to the action taken by refs when players take throw ins from 20-30 yards further up the field to where the ball went out of play. 999 times out of 1000 they ignore it, then suddenly you’ll get one ref who will award a throw in to the opposition.
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!He wasn’t impinging anything, John. I was sat right in a line with him. The forward was yards away – maybe from where you sit it looked nearer but he really wasn’t near him – he just held on to it for around 15 seconds with no attempt to get rid.
How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.
You asked earlier what the difference is between players nowadays and players who played every game in the past, and the answer is Sports Science.
Most players would play every single game if they could – as was the case in the past. It’s not them demanding a rest, it’s the sports scientists.
When players get to this level, they’re all of a similar standard, so it’s all about fine margins, and if a manager thinks he can get an edge on his opponents by resting his players and keeping them fresh and knock-free, he’ll do it.
When you get to the level, stature and age of someone like Rooney, then they might request some time off, but your average Wigan players is told when they are playing and when they are resting.
Bear in mind between now and New Year’s Day, they have five games to play – including one against Shrewsbury, so Cook’s more than likely resting players in anticipation of the busy Christmas schedule, rather than because they’re tired.[/quote]
Got no problem with certain changes Standish but 8 in an important game is too excessive. The main problem I have is that the top clubs in the Prem have 25 top international players of real quality so rotation can be really beneficial. At our level we do not have that quality throughout the squad so in big games league or cup we must go with a strong side to get the job done. What really gets my goat is that lower league clubs are following the lead of the big boys coz its the trend and not because they have the resources to rotate. I also agree its down to the managers and not the players who have exasperated this phenomenon. None of this however detracts from the fact that we should not be gambling so much in a game of importance as last nights was. Obviously the league is our priority but our best players should be able to cope with the games that come thick and fast. They always have in the past.
He wasn’t impinging anything, John. I was sat right in a line with him. The forward was yards away – maybe from where you sit it looked nearer but he really wasn’t near him – he just held on to it for around 15 seconds with no attempt to get rid.Fair comment George, however, I would expect the referee to be stood around the half way line waiting for the kick, so he also would not have known how far the forward was away from the goalie. He could however see that he was directly in front of him, moving to his left as the goalie moved to his right with the ball.
Still think it was harsh bearing in mind it was the last kick of the game. I suppose the goalie should have booted it straight into touch as near to the half way line as possible and avoided all the contraversy.From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Doesnt Cook take training anymore? Cant he see the players capabilities or lack of them, the buck stops with the manager end of!
A team with 9 players who have played at Championship level and the others being experienced at L1 and L2 should easily beat a team who only went full time two years ago.
Byrne, Burn, Toney, Power, Colclough, Elder: I’d say pretty much every club in League One would snap your hand off if you offered any one of these to them.
Nothing wrong with the team selection. It’s the players’ aptitude that’s at fault[/quote]
I’d say ‘Attitude’ Johnny, not ‘Aptitude’! Possible predictive text maybe? ;)[/quote]
You’re right. Also doesn’t help that I have big fingers and a small screen!How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.
You asked earlier what the difference is between players nowadays and players who played every game in the past, and the answer is Sports Science.
Most players would play every single game if they could – as was the case in the past. It’s not them demanding a rest, it’s the sports scientists.
When players get to this level, they’re all of a similar standard, so it’s all about fine margins, and if a manager thinks he can get an edge on his opponents by resting his players and keeping them fresh and knock-free, he’ll do it.
When you get to the level, stature and age of someone like Rooney, then they might request some time off, but your average Wigan players is told when they are playing and when they are resting.
Bear in mind between now and New Year’s Day, they have five games to play – including one against Shrewsbury, so Cook’s more than likely resting players in anticipation of the busy Christmas schedule, rather than because they’re tired.[/quote]
Got no problem with certain changes Standish but 8 in an important game is too excessive. The main problem I have is that the top clubs in the Prem have 25 top international players of real quality so rotation can be really beneficial. At our level we do not have that quality throughout the squad so in big games league or cup we must go with a strong side to get the job done. What really gets my goat is that lower league clubs are following the lead of the big boys coz its the trend and not because they have the resources to rotate. I also agree its down to the managers and not the players who have exasperated this phenomenon. None of this however detracts from the fact that we should not be gambling so much in a game of importance as last nights was. Obviously the league is our priority but our best players should be able to cope with the games that come thick and fast. They always have in the past.[/quote]
I get what you’re saying about squad sizes – and rotation not being suited to lower league teams, but I think the issue here is, you saw the game as being much more important that Cook did.Personally, I wouldn’t have been heartbroken if we’d been knocked out last night, and I suspect Cook felt the same.
Realistically, we’re not going to win the FA Cup as a third tier team, and promotion is pretty much the be all and end all this season, so if we lost one of our vital players to injury or suspension against Fylde in an extra match we didn’t really need and it derailed our promotion bid, then Cook would be under the spotlight.
He wasn’t impinging anything, John. I was sat right in a line with him. The forward was yards away – maybe from where you sit it looked nearer but he really wasn’t near him – he just held on to it for around 15 seconds with no attempt to get rid.In similar cases, when a striker has stood in front of a keeper and theyve gone to kick and then aborted the attempt before having a cry to the ref, theyve not only succeeded in getting a free kick, but theyve also wasted a few seconds. Perhaps young Sarkic just showed his lack of experience and cunning in not actually making any attempt, and thus leaving himself open to being penalised by the referee?
Summing it all up, and agreeing with StandishLatic, the team shouldve been more than capable of beating Fylde. But they had nothing to lose and clearly gave it a decent go. Perhaps our players need a good look at themselves, and maybe one or two of them will be off in January. Of course, all our games are big games, but if ever there was a ‘6 pointer’, its Shrewsbury on boxing day. I just hope our lads resist the vol au vants and cakes on Christmas day!
How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.
You asked earlier what the difference is between players nowadays and players who played every game in the past, and the answer is Sports Science.
Most players would play every single game if they could – as was the case in the past. It’s not them demanding a rest, it’s the sports scientists.
When players get to this level, they’re all of a similar standard, so it’s all about fine margins, and if a manager thinks he can get an edge on his opponents by resting his players and keeping them fresh and knock-free, he’ll do it.
When you get to the level, stature and age of someone like Rooney, then they might request some time off, but your average Wigan players is told when they are playing and when they are resting.
Bear in mind between now and New Year’s Day, they have five games to play – including one against Shrewsbury, so Cook’s more than likely resting players in anticipation of the busy Christmas schedule, rather than because they’re tired.[/quote]
Got no problem with certain changes Standish but 8 in an important game is too excessive. The main problem I have is that the top clubs in the Prem have 25 top international players of real quality so rotation can be really beneficial. At our level we do not have that quality throughout the squad so in big games league or cup we must go with a strong side to get the job done. What really gets my goat is that lower league clubs are following the lead of the big boys coz its the trend and not because they have the resources to rotate. I also agree its down to the managers and not the players who have exasperated this phenomenon. None of this however detracts from the fact that we should not be gambling so much in a game of importance as last nights was. Obviously the league is our priority but our best players should be able to cope with the games that come thick and fast. They always have in the past.[/quote]
I get what you’re saying about squad sizes – and rotation not being suited to lower league teams, but I think the issue here is, you saw the game as being much more important that Cook did.Personally, I wouldn’t have been heartbroken if we’d been knocked out last night, and I suspect Cook felt the same.
Realistically, we’re not going to win the FA Cup as a third tier team, and promotion is pretty much the be all and end all this season, so if we lost one of our vital players to injury or suspension against Fylde in an extra match we didn’t really need and it derailed our promotion bid, then Cook would be under the spotlight.[/quote]
Basically what i said on page 1 of this thread. Sounds like we’re on the same page.
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