Total lack of respect

LMB, to quote Oscar Wilde ‘What the fook are you going on about?’

I’m merely pointing out the fact that there are half wits who regularly stand, point and hurl abuse at the manager, and if not heard by Martinez himself, I’m sure their comments are heard by the players and coaching staff on the bench.

Where did ‘long term fans’ or JCLs (a phrase I’d never use anyway) come into it?

Anguish? What anguish? Were you on the pop last night when you posted this?

So not in the last few weeks and not by me, the ‘editorial chav’ as loudmouth blue would have it. Thanks for confirming that and proving once again that loudmouth is telling porkies.

I wouldn’t dream of saying no-one has ever used the phrase, they undoubtedly have, I undoubtedly have and I’m sure numerous people on here have.

However, what our esteemed friend seems to be missing is that just because one person says or writes it doesn’t mean that everyone says it or indeed it is the majority view.

I get tired of saying that the Mudhutter is a Wigan Athletic fanzine which anyone can contribute do, no matter what their point of view and all views that are contributed are those of the individual and not necessarily everyone who has written, bought, read, contributed or sold a copy in their lives in much the same way as this site is.

Indeed, the other thread on here against modern football, you will see that it says ‘Mudhutter supports this’, what I actually said to the lads is that ‘Mudhutter offers any fan or group of fans a platform to say what they feel or promote any particular cause relating to Wigan Athletic.’

Whether I support it or not is irrelevant. As even if I don’t agree with it, I will still offer people the chance to put their point forward, as I do mine.

Your right Jay T we should give praise were praise is due and when we win we should congratulate the manager.

BUT is this not the manager who last season took all the credit for our wins against Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool but yet blamed Steve Bruce for the Spurs game and most of our other defeats????

I am sure that there are longer term fans drifting away, and I know plenty myself. A certain Mike Harding lookalike never even made it through the doors of the JJB despite not missing a game for donkey’s years beforehand.

And I know that many longer term fans are disillusioned about the way Roberto Martinez has us playing. They’ve every right to their opinion and you’ve every right to your opinion. I have no problem with your opinion. To be honest, I’d always make a friend than an enemy. Unfortunately, you’ve told a pack of lies about me on here in full view of everyone, refused to apologise and that’s my problem with you, nothing to do with your opinion.

I don’t have the clothes budget I once had but I’m hardly a chav :oops:

My view was that the crowds have dropped off season upon season since the going got tough and that is exactly the time when true fans get behind their team, even if they disapprove of the style of play on the pitch.

I’m not saying you’re right or wrong but if you are right that thousands are staying away purely because of Martinez and he is purely the reason we are in the position we are in, then great – all we need to do is bring on the firing squad and at the next home game I expect to see an extra 5,000 home fans through the turnstile and mid table safety just a matter of weeks away.

I believe that he has a long term plan, even though you might dismiss it as ‘spin’ and the day when he is fired will be a very sad day indeed (in my opinion) and will just mean revert to short-term fix which only ever provides short term solutions….

Fair enough mate, I don’t bear grudges.

However, for the record, the man who started Mudhutter and wrote a load of the hoolie stuff and clothes stuff was also the man behind Cockney Latic in the 80’s and again in the late 90’s. Indeed while flicking through early Cockney Latics in the days when he was editor there are loads of pieces about Stone Island and Non League Hooligans.

Kind of begs the question why you find the Mudhutter offensive but find it perfectly acceptable to post on a website that also was for many years the home of a fanzine containing similar articles written by more or less exactly the same people?

The chap concerned is now involved with Robin Park and hasn’t been on the Latics scene for a couple of years (ironic eh?) and there hasn’t been much of that nature published in the last few years

As for the FC United stuff, it is a completely different situation – they walked away because of going ons OFF the pitch, we are talking about people walking away because of goings on ON the pitch. However, for clarity I will repeat what I said to you at the time:

First of all, you appear to be confused? Are you comparing Wigan Athletic with FC United? Or as it would appear more logical are you are comparing Wigan Athletic with Manchester United? Do you have even the faintest idea why FC United were formed?

Let’s concentrate on the four key football finance areas of ownership debt, operating profits/losses, servicing interest payments & ticket pricing

Wigan Athletic is backed by one man whom without him we would be at best playing three or four levels below where we are. He has not got the club into debt – he IS the debt covering the £55m losses with a £40m interest free loan and a £15m bank overdraft secured on his personal land and assets.

Manchester United have been purchased by nearly £650m of leveraged buyout funds (that’s someone else’s money in layman’s terms) by a bunch of American sharks who draw up to £30m per annum out of the football club in personal funds and have laden the club with £60m of debt interest charges per annum meaning that the likelihood of them making any profit at EBITDA level is nigh impossible.

The average season ticket price at Old Trafford has increased from £487 in May 2005 to £722 this year, the season tickets in this time at Wigan have increased from £250 to £250, just over half the price that United tickets were five years ago?

Club saddled with expensive debt while the owners take millions out in drawings and even more debts to services the large interest payments running at 14% of turnover and eating away at profits and expensive ticket prices = unhappy fans

Interest free loans from owners without which club would be insolvent, covering accumulated losses out of owners own pocket and cheap ticket prices (should) = happy fans

the reason i disagree with you about the fc united stuff jimmy and YES i do know the concepts of how and why they were formed – i can understand the higher cost implications, but at the bottom of it all is exactly the same as liverpool fans they have and always want to be top of the pile and because some one else has cashed in on the football gravy train and took away some of their spending power they dont like it.

i dont see these same people starting their own multi national industries or pension schemes when the way the glaziers fund/milk mufc is the same as is done in big business every day – look at the way goverment/oil companies/energy companies treat ordinary folk like us ,with sheer contempt,
united fans want world domination not competition and they see the glazers as demons preventing this so that in its own way is akin to people not watching us because we are crap at the moment.