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TL – Am I right in thinking the Swiss lad shouldn’t have been sent off if the ref is giving a penalty as the keeper was there?
TL – Am I right in thinking the Swiss lad shouldn’t have been sent off if the ref is giving a penalty as the keeper was there?That’s not my interpretation. Nothing to do with in teh area for a penalty, or outside for a direct free kick.
The offence is DAGSO – denying a goal scoring opportunity. Would he have had an opportunity to score? As all he had to do in that position was to beat the keeper (and I know that many miss, but it’s the opportunity that is key) so he was denied that opportunity, a red card is correct.I thought the double jeopardy rule meant that as last man you wouldn’t see red for giving away a pen? We had it earlier this season when a player was sent off for giving away a free kick but a few games later a player was booked for a penalty.
TL – Am I right in thinking the Swiss lad shouldn’t have been sent off if the ref is giving a penalty as the keeper was there?
That’s not my interpretation. Nothing to do with in teh area for a penalty, or outside for a direct free kick.
The offence is DAGSO – denying a goal scoring opportunity. Would he have had an opportunity to score? As all he had to do in that position was to beat the keeper (and I know that many miss, but it’s the opportunity that is key) so he was denied that opportunity, a red card is correct.[/quote]The law was changed 2 season’s ago – if you commit a foul that the referee considers to be DOGSO (denying of a goal scoring opportunity) in the penalty area, the referee shouldn’t issue a red if they feel it was a genuine attempt for the ball.
As a result it has to be an attempted tackle.
If it was a push or a pull then it should still be treated like the old DOGSO & be a red. That Swiss defender shoved the Swedish player so it was correct to give him a red when the ref thought it was a penaltyIf the foul is committed outside the area the old DOGSO guidance applies so in effect if you’re gonna challenge it’s better to do it in the penalty area if you want to keep 11 men on the pitch
So because it was a push it was red. Had he hacked him down it was yellow like the Denmark game.
Thanks TL.
So because it was a push it was red. Had he hacked him down it was yellow like the Denmark game.Thanks TL.
If the foul had been in the penalty area then yes it was a red coz it was a push
As for the hacking – not necessarily. if you slide in from miles behind & trip him it’s stiall a red. If it’s a lunge that’s dangerous it still a red. If it’s a challenge where they have no chance of getting the ball, it’s still a red
To escape a red the ref has to deem it a genuine attempt for the ball (if it’s in the penalty area)So what’s the view with a handful of games left? Personally I think it has been a good thing, plenty of decisions changed to see the right outcome, and a couple of dodgy ones don’t tip the balance to negative for me.
So what’s the view with a handful of games left? Personally I think it has been a good thing, plenty of decisions changed to see the right outcome, and a couple of dodgy ones don’t tip the balance to negative for me.I’m the opposite- far more negative things from it than positive in my opinion
So what’s the view with a handful of games left? Personally I think it has been a good thing, plenty of decisions changed to see the right outcome, and a couple of dodgy ones don’t tip the balance to negative for me.
I’m the opposite- far more negative things from it than positive in my opinion[/quote]
I’m with TL on this l simply cannot see how VAR is making the wrong calls it should be correct 100 per cent of the time. I’m also sick to death already of seeing players and managers making the tv shape if they think a decision has gone against them.
. I’m also sick to death already of seeing players and managers making the tv shape if they think a decision has gone against them.Agreed. Including Harry Maguire the other night.
For me it should be a cautionable offence just like waving an imaginary card at the ref isI’m undecided on this. Showing an imaginery card to a ref should be stopped & punished i agree. However, with modern technology now in the game, surely its a good thing that a player(s) can ask for a 2nd opinion when the naked eye of a referee has missed something.
I’m undecided on this. Showing an imaginery card to a ref should be stopped & punished i agree. However, with modern technology now in the game, surely its a good thing that a player(s) can ask for a 2nd opinion when the naked eye of a referee has missed something.Not the way footballers do it.
Tuesday night was farcical at times with the way both sets of players surrounded him.
…surely its a good thing that a player(s) can ask for a 2nd opinion when the naked eye of a referee has missed something.Just the captain, I would suggest, and done respectfully.
Like it’s done in cricket.. I’m also sick to death already of seeing players and managers making the tv shape if they think a decision has gone against them.
Agreed. Including Harry Maguire the other night.
For me it should be a cautionable offence just like waving an imaginary card at the ref is[/quote]Don’t blame Maguire for doing that. It was a clear headbutt and was a red card, and a penalty to England. Why should England players always be the noble ones? If boot was on other foot, Columbian players would be going nuts.
Henderson was stupid to do similar later.
. I’m also sick to death already of seeing players and managers making the tv shape if they think a decision has gone against them.
Agreed. Including Harry Maguire the other night.
For me it should be a cautionable offence just like waving an imaginary card at the ref is[/quote]Don’t blame Maguire for doing that. It was a clear headbutt and was a red card, and a penalty to England. Why should England players always be the noble ones? If boot was on other foot, Columbian players would be going nuts.
Henderson was stupid to do similar later.[/quote]
Sorry but for me its a lack of respect for the referee just as waving imaginary cards at them is.
The referee has a fourth official seeing things on a screen. He also has however many are watching on TV in a studio with God knows how many angles of it. They don’t need players telling (& displaying it to everybody else there) them they’ve missed something/got it wrong.
Its like clapping a decision that they give after you’ve moaned at them all game they’ve given you nowt, or the card thing & should be a nailed on cautionMaguire didn’t need to do it – the ref saw it, or his many assistants did, & it was decided it was a caution. Personally I think they were wrong & it should have been a red (as it should have been for Henderson) but the players shouldn’t be allowed to publicly demonstrate like that however incensed & hard done to they feel
EDIT – sorry to be pedantic but as the free kick hadn’t yet been taken, the ball wasn’t in play, so there’s no way under the laws of the game that it should have been a penalty
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