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    martinhmartinh
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      There’s no doubt that this has been one of the most depressing seasons in living memory, but can we put our fingers on what exactly went wrong? Below, I’ve listed my thoughts, but please chip in with your own in the hope that someone at the club might read and learn from some of this.

      1) Caldwell’s clearout. He should never have let Pearce go, or send Morsy and Colclough out on loan. The team that won the league last year should have been given a chance in the Championship.

      2) Going the whole season without a recognised right back. That’s apart from Luke Burke, of course, who impressed over three games or so, then was allowed to go out on loan.

      3) Signing so many midfielders. How could the team possibly incorporate Nick Powell, Jordi Gomez, Michael Jacobs, Yanic Wildschutt and Alex Gilbey, or David Perkins, Shaun McDonald and Max Power? The squad was so imbalanced that just about all those players ended up filling in at right back.

      4) Certain players not turning up. Alex Bogdan goes without saying, but Power, Grigg and Jacobs were all disappointing.

      5) Did we panic and sack Caldwell too early?

      6) Hiring Warren Joyce. I think we can all agree this was a mistake. Whatever reputation he had as a coach was undermined by some of the most boring football Wiganers have ever seen. To his credit, though, we did start defending better and he brought Morsy out from the cold.

      7) Lack of professionalism.,We’re run by a 20-something chippy manager (or are we?), and Jonathan Jackson has been invisible all season. No manager since Martinez has been allowed to bring in their own backroom staff. Instead, we rely on a network of old boys who, this season, seemed to come and go intermittently (Pollitt, Cribley, Jackson, Atherton, Doolan, Barrow). It’s great to see them back st the club but are they the best people for the job? Joyce’s comments about fitness levels or the number of unexplained long-term injuries recently (Reece James, Donervon Daniels) would suggest not,

      8) Getting rid of the local lads. Chow, Flores, Jennings and Burke may not have been worldbeaters but, in this situation, they may just have tried a little harder for their local team. Furthermore, we might have given them time rather than getting on their backs; local players are good for morale and no seen as mercenaries like Tinnicliffe and Hanson.

      9) Too many loan signings, some of whom (Marcus Browne) were moaning as soon as they got here and half of whom were injured anyway.

      10) Selling Wildschutt. The price may have been right but he was the only player who provided any surprise bits of magic all season.

      So, which is the most important? Or can you add your own thoughts as to where it all went wrong?

      #157576

      Very fair summary Martin. Everything you said has contributed, some more than others maybe but who really knows in the end.

      I would add Home form. Just not good enough. Talking to my mate before the Villa game and we were saying with 5 away wins you would expect to have maybe 8 home wins which would leave us very comfortable mid table.

      Why are we so bad at home? Is it the pitch? The rows of empty seats…? The negative tactics of Yootha?

      #157577
      martinhmartinh
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        I’m just amazed I managed to write an emoji. Who knew that an 8 with a bracket after it would result in that? The learning has started already.

        #157579
        filmossfilmoss
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          It went wrong when Whelan handed the reins ( Or did he? ) to his Grandson! 8)

          #157580
          It went wrong when Whelan handed the reins ( Or did he? ) to his Grandson! 8)

          So everything was fine when we had Mackay as manager?

          #157581

          As someone has said too many old boys in the backroom staff. Problem being most of them never even reached a high level so we are very amateur run . I loved the likes of Parky, Atherton etc but they are from a different time. If you are gonna play the modern game tactics formation then you need modern coaches who can coach it properly. No more room for sentiment a total clearout needed. YAMS

          #157582
          bickymonbickymon
          Player

            like warren joyce ?

            #157583
            filmossfilmoss
            Player

              It went wrong when Whelan handed the reins ( Or did he? ) to his Grandson! 8)

              So everything was fine when we had Mackay as manager?[/quot

              That was the Whelan faux pas that led to him standing down and the rest as they say is history! ;)

              #157584
              donnys pageDonnys Page
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                Add to it the tactics and negative team selection of Gary and Yootha.
                Both so boring too. Funny enough after the damage inflicted on us by Caldwell to sit back and stifle the opposition to pick up the odd win and a few draws may have been a plan on paper for Joyce but not to change it with games running out was terrible.

                #157585

                You all know the answer to the question you just cant admit it to yourselves. It was worth risking the club though for 8 years in the Premier League wasn’t it? In a few years time when you are all down at Victory Park cheering the mighty Chorley on, you can all visit his statue and thank him for not having a football team in Wigan any more. Was all in the plan. £££££££ give me your assets because the people in Wigan love to keep giving me money. Baaah baah

                #157586
                the otterthe otter
                Player

                  I would love you to go public with all this stuff you come out with. Would you ever have the guts to produce either facts or substantiated evidence and put your name to it. I think we all know the answer.

                  Put your head above the parapet instead of carrying out an embittered personal agenda and you might get a bit of respect.

                  Until then you’ll just be viewed as a repetetive, whining old scrote with an axe to grind.

                  #157587
                  The EggThe Egg
                  Chairman

                    Can it be made any more public than the company accounts which supports his arguments by 0%

                    #157590
                    SammySammy
                    Player

                      I believe yosser has previously revealed himself to be a rugby supporter which would explain his denial of anything factual regarding Whelan.

                      #157595
                      In The KnowIn The Know
                      Player

                        Mr Whelan pulled the plug on any investment in the club once we won the fa cup.
                        That is a FACT.

                        #157596
                        As someone has said too many old boys in the backroom staff. Problem being most of them never even reached a high level so we are very amateur run . I loved the likes of Parky, Atherton etc but they are from a different time. If you are gonna play the modern game tactics formation then you need modern coaches who can coach it properly. No more room for sentiment a total clearout needed. YAMS

                        Hold on a second you can’t say that there are too many old boys in the back room & that most of them never even reached a high level.
                        Peter Atherton spent virtually all his post Latisc career in the top flight & at one time had the record premier league appearance
                        Joe Parkinson was also a top flight player 6 months after leaving Latics before injury ended his career
                        Mike Pollitt played top flight football for Latics

                        So basically you’re left with John Doolan who hasn’t even been at Latics for a few years up until the other week & Graham Barrow who was a top flight coach under Martinez for several years & stayed at Latics because the players asked him to (admittedly we only have Barrow himself as evidence of that)

                        I’m sure that I’ve missed someone off but I really don’t think that your theory stands up to any scrutiny

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