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Mr Whelan pulled the plug on any investment in the club once we won the fa cup.
That is a FACT.And having piled quite a large amount of his PERSONAL fortune into the club for practically NOTHING in return he had every right.
He left the club in a healthy financial position with no debts whatsoever (having achieved all of the things he said we would and more). Whilst making a loss last year I still believe that we have NO DEBTS to anybody other than ourselves through a very sensible business structure.
Why do we have no money to invest? Well we sell season tickets at next to nothing, we have very little fan base outside of ST holders to bump up the attendances, we sell practically nothing in merchandise.
Unless someone comes along with a vast sum of money they feel like pissing up the wall then the only money we have to invest is from player sales which is why we have gone back to buying cheap, selling high and relying on loans.
Ask yourself, if you were a 70 year old millionaire would you waste your family’s future on a football club that you have already spent millions on?
All im saying is he pulled the plug,that is a fact,thats why we are in the shit.
Im sure the rugby mob are in the same boat because your mate Lenegan invests fuck all in that mob.
10 years from now the Whelan family could own a stadium with no buggers to play in it.There’s no doubt that this has been one of the most depressing seasons in living memory, but can we put our fingers on what exactly went wrong? Below, I’ve listed my thoughts, but please chip in with your own in the hope that someone at the club might read and learn from some of this.1) Caldwell’s clearout. He should never have let Pearce go, or send Morsy and Colclough out on loan. The team that won the league last year should have been given a chance in the Championship.
2) Going the whole season without a recognised right back. That’s apart from Luke Burke, of course, who impressed over three games or so, then was allowed to go out on loan.
3) Signing so many midfielders. How could the team possibly incorporate Nick Powell, Jordi Gomez, Michael Jacobs, Yanic Wildschutt and Alex Gilbey, or David Perkins, Shaun McDonald and Max Power? The squad was so imbalanced that just about all those players ended up filling in at right back.
4) Certain players not turning up. Alex Bogdan goes without saying, but Power, Grigg and Jacobs were all disappointing.
5) Did we panic and sack Caldwell too early?
6) Hiring Warren Joyce. I think we can all agree this was a mistake. Whatever reputation he had as a coach was undermined by some of the most boring football Wiganers have ever seen. To his credit, though, we did start defending better and he brought Morsy out from the cold.
7) Lack of professionalism.,We’re run by a 20-something chippy manager (or are we?), and Jonathan Jackson has been invisible all season. No manager since Martinez has been allowed to bring in their own backroom staff. Instead, we rely on a network of old boys who, this season, seemed to come and go intermittently (Pollitt, Cribley, Jackson, Atherton, Doolan, Barrow). It’s great to see them back st the club but are they the best people for the job? Joyce’s comments about fitness levels or the number of unexplained long-term injuries recently (Reece James, Donervon Daniels) would suggest not,
8) Getting rid of the local lads. Chow, Flores, Jennings and Burke may not have been worldbeaters but, in this situation, they may just have tried a little harder for their local team. Furthermore, we might have given them time rather than getting on their backs; local players are good for morale and no seen as mercenaries like Tinnicliffe and Hanson.
9) Too many loan signings, some of whom (Marcus Browne) were moaning as soon as they got here and half of whom were injured anyway.
10) Selling Wildschutt. The price may have been right but he was the only player who provided any surprise bits of magic all season.
So, which is the most important? Or can you add your own thoughts as to where it all went wrong?
The ones that I’d disagree with Martin are points 1, 5, 7, 8 & 10
1 – personally I never rated Pearce. he was part of the team that took Latics down from the championship last time & for me got exposed regularly at League 1 level (only the players who got the chances more often than not couldn’t take advantage of those errors). Colclough didn’t impress me at Lge 1 level either & I thought was a poor signing & he wasn’t even a regular at MK Dons this season. I don’t think a couple of moderately impressive brief cameos since his return are evidence enough to say it was a mistake to leave him out for so long. Morsy is a strange one. Again didn’t impress me in Lge1 but he himself felt he was being played out of position & it led to a fall out with Caldwell. That said he impressed when Joyce put him further forward but is looking poor again now that he’s been dropped further back & withdrawal at half time on Saturday, coupled with Barrow’s comments about him not being a box to box player plus his absence last night would indicate to me that he may have had another falling out with the management.
I don’t think the clearout itself was the problem coz I don’t think last season’s squad was good enough by & large to compete – you kind of hint at it in point 4 when you say that Power, Grigg & Jacobs were all disappointing. For me that’s coz they aren’t good enough for this level & they were some of the most promising players last season5 – Caldwell made alot of mistakes from the close season onwards. Whether it was his assumption that Grigg would find goals as easy to come by this season as last or his decision to try to go back to a back 3 that hadn’t worked at the start of the previous season either. There were many more too. His recruitment was also poor, but for me a massive failing was his inability to see where things were going wrong & change it during a game. In the previous season early doors he recognised where he’d gone wrong with initial formations & players in games & was quick to change it with 1st half substitutions, revamping formations at half time & more often than not it worked – this season he just seemed incapable of identifying what was going wrong & putting it right. The warning signs were there during a dire pre-season
7 – I don’t get where the criticism of Jonathan Jackson is coming from. He’s the number cruncher & Latics are doign well to keep things on an even keel financially. From the people that have been to these meetings with the top dogs at the club, Jackson has had no input into choosing managers, firing them, deciding on coaching staff or player recruitment beyond what we can & can’t afford. Sharpe I don’t know – he talks the talk & ultimately he’s only chosen the manager & not the players or the tactics
8 – the local lads you name aren’t good enough with the possible exception of Burke who did seem to have something about him. I’d try hard if I pulled on a Latics shirt but I’d still be garbage
10 – With Wildschutt in the team Latics were still struggling. he just offered the odd bit of spark here & there but it wouldn’t have made that much difference. He wanted to go & the money was offered to our manager for new recruits & brought in Bogle who looked like he had somet about him till he was plonked up front on his todd with no support & dragged down with the rest of the garbage
For me the main reasons are poor recruitment (either in quality or the style of player) from the end of last season, a manager who seemed to throw aware all the lessons he’d learned in the previous season, an appalling managerial appointment in Joyce & further poor recruitment in January
Mr Whelan pulled the plug on any investment in the club once we won the fa cup.
That is a FACT.Only its not fact at all. The drive to make the club stand on its on 2 feet started when Bruce was still in charge in 2009
The difference being that since Latics won the FA Cup & were subsequently relegated the TV income of £40mill has drastically reduced & now disappeared
Its got beggar all to do with Whelan pulling the plug on anythingMr Whelan pulled the plug on any investment in the club once we won the fa cup.
That is a FACT.Are you complaining about that or just stating the obvious?
And if you are complaining, if a wealthy local business man came along to your failing football club and said he was going to secure its future by paying off all the debts and build a brand-new stadium with an aim to take the club all the way to the Premier League (and as an unexpected bonus, win the FA Cup) but at some point when it became unsustainable to continue to bankroll the club as a result of the loss of income through relegation and stagnant attendances, even though he was offering one of the cheapest season tickets around, but nevertheless leave it in a healthy financial position, would you have objected to that?
Mr Whelan pulled the plug on any investment in the club once we won the fa cup.
That is a FACT.Are you complaining about that or just stating the obvious?
And if you are complaining, if a wealthy local business man came along to your failing football club and said he was going to secure its future by paying off all the debts and build a brand-new stadium with an aim to take the club all the way to the Premier League (and as an unexpected bonus, win the FA Cup) but at some point when it became unsustainable to continue to bankroll the club as a result of the loss of income through relegation and stagnant attendances, even though he was offering one of the cheapest season tickets around, but nevertheless leave it in a healthy financial position, would you have objected to that?[/quote]
Yes Sammy he would
Mr Whelan pulled the plug on any investment in the club once we won the fa cup.
That is a FACT.Only its not fact at all. The drive to make the club stand on its on 2 feet started when Bruce was still in charge in 2009
Yip one January when Palacios, Taylor and Heskey were sold. This changed what was heading towards what would have been an incredible season to one of anti-climax.
All fair comments, apart from the question did we sack Caldwell top early.
Chesterfield fans would undoubtedly agree with you. He is to them, what Joyce was to us. A disaster.
“Where did it all go wrong” reminds me of the George Best tale were George had been gambling in a casino, drinking champagne all night and had managed to pull Miss Great Britain.
After winning several thousand pound he takes Miss Great Britain back to his room, decides to phone room service and orders some more bubbly. He throws several grand onto the bed, Miss GB strips off and lies down on top of the money and just before George joins her on the passion chariot there is a knock at the door. George opens the door to a young lad holding his ordered Champagne.
The lad seeing the naked Miss GB on a bed of money looks at a naked sizzled George and asks ” where did it all go wrong George”
All im saying is he pulled the plug,that is a fact,thats why we are in the shit.Im sure the rugby mob are in the same boat because your mate Lenegan invests fuck all in that mob.
Wrong.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00174692/filing-history?page=1
If you can be bothered, check out Page 17, Para 20 of the accounts filed for period 30 Nov 15.
The figure he has invested so far is £4,758,241.
Anyway – back on topic, where did it go wrong?
As someone who is experiencing pretty much the same style of car-crash season, I’d say it was down to pre-season. Not giving a chance to those who’d pissed League 1 was criminal. Bombing out key players on loan was bewildering. Not keeping the likes of Huws, who despite being an arrogant twat, would have added to what was a half-decent squad.
Others have suggested that the problem stems from DW. I’d say the Chief Exec has a lot to answer. He is in charge of recruitment and strategy. The buck stops with him.
If he didn’t go to his Grandad (can’t see a problem there anyway) he would go to the bank manager or accountants and they would just tell him to F off.
I personally think it all went bad from the time Coyle came to Wigan in June 2013. In his short time we had a mad influx of players in and out and Europa League football to contend with which threw the apple cart clean over.
Then from his departure at the beginning of December every manager after that had a huge cleanup job as the money would slowly disappear.
As each parachute payment stopped the manager was then under strict orders to thin the squad and lower the wage bill so we would regular have a 10-12 player turn over leaving the next manager in charge a mountain to climb.I liked Rosler (bar the shouting) the City away Cup win will go down in my books as one of the greatest wins in the clubs career that’s taking into account of the circumstances. He’s doing a fine job at Fleetwood but the demands put on him and other managers by the board is all too much. I think he came to the club at the wrong time in the clubs history, probably next season would have been ideal for him.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, if some of the money from the Prem or the money we made from cheaply bought players sold on had of been put back into a academy a couple of years into our Prem life we might, just might have been able to get through this period without the need to have loads and loads of loan players who are here just to keep busy and have no ties to the club.
The hardest part is finding a manager to fit this club, someone new, hungry to succeed as a manger, and more importantly knows the club with experience unlike Joyce.
For me to fit in those shoes it’s Graeme Jones, he’s 47 now and fully experienced at every level. I wonder how he feels now Henry is with Belguim. He knows the club and I’m sure at some point he will be getting itchy feet to do it on his own
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