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Too many reasons as the why we have had a disastrous time of late and we all know what they are .I for one think a lot of the players have stolen a living this season and should shoulder some of the blame.If we are to rise out of this quicksand then this club needs a huge enema.Dump the complete backroom staff and allow the next boss to appoint his own team.Trim the squad of players deemed not up to it or those who don’t fancy league 1.No more pointless loan signings and FFS get us 3 strikers.Is that too much too ask ?
Jonesey could fit the bill so long as he doesn’t do what Gary did and follow the Roberto model of playing football. If he did that then we would be in for borefest mark 7.You might be.
Personally I’d love to go back to playing the way Roberto had us playing.
Jonesey could fit the bill so long as he doesn’t do what Gary did and follow the Roberto model of playing football. If he did that then we would be in for borefest mark 7.
You might be.
Personally I’d love to go back to playing the way Roberto had us playing.[/quote]
That’s the great thing about following a club, fans who have differing tastes but who come together to support a club. I know you and lots of others on here may not agree with everything others on here say or others how the club is run but however it is we will be there in August whatever happens.
Just wish there were more of us Standish Mon.Where did it all go Wrong ?
Easy answer: when Roberto bailed out after taking us down, cos he hadn’t got the balls to prove he could get us back up ! His excuse was that he couldn’t adapt his style in the Championship.
I’m with cup winners on this one, OFC complete disaster, the team that was relegated from the prem was good enough to come straight back up, as Rossler proved that team could beat anybody on their day.
I would love to go back to the way we played under Ian McNeil.When he couldn’t win the Northern Premier League or when he couldn’t sustain his third league season in division 4?
Where did it all go Wrong ?Easy answer: when Roberto bailed out after taking us down, cos he hadn’t got the balls to prove he could get us back up ! His excuse was that he couldn’t adapt his style in the Championship.
Did he bail out? Admittedly he wasn’t sacked but he may have been ‘persuaded’ to take the Everton offer as their was no future for him here.
Where did it all go Wrong ?Easy answer: when Roberto bailed out after taking us down, cos he hadn’t got the balls to prove he could get us back up ! His excuse was that he couldn’t adapt his style in the Championship.
Was that the same time as half the squad also bailed out because they hadn’t a shred of loyalty to the club?
Truth is there was a fire sale in the summer of 2013 as DW wanted to recoup as much cash as possible, which included a pot of compo for the manager.
We need a manager with absolutely no connection to the club whatsoever, no ‘good old boys’ cronyisms. We need a new guy with his own backroom staff…why it’s never been allowed with that last few managers, and they’ve had to work with what was already here, is puzzling for me. I can’t think of other similar instances at clubs where this has happened. We need a new guy in, give him total carte blanche in doing it HIS way and give him the required backing.
We haven’t had this since Steve Bruce was at the club. Rosler aside, they’ve all been cheap appointments and men who have been desperate to get back in the game as a manager, or connected to the club. For me, Caldwell was a lazy appointment.It all reeks of penny pinching, though we shot ourself in the foot big time giving Joyce a 3 year deal. Nothing wrong with the contract…just gave it to the wrong bloke. I just hope this doesn’t stop us offering a good deal to a better manager. For me, there can be only one…and that’s Nigel Pearson. A tough manager, who walked league one with Leicester. We’d have to battle to get him here and really back him. But give the guy the free reign to do it his way and sell it to him as a chance to build up the club again, in his style and passion, and he would be a great appointment. Though reality is, it won’t happen because we do things on the cheap. I can see Barrow being given the job, which is worrying when he comes out and makes comments like….
“Our defending has actually been quite sound this season…”Really? And that’s why we are 2nd bottom? A daft comment to come out with.
We need an experienced manager now, and this next season will be a defining one on our future. With the right man, we can bounce back. With the wrong one, we will just become another also-ran in the style of your Port Vale, Swindon, Oldham type of club, no disrespect. So it’s imperative the get it right with this one…and that going to cost the owners.
There’s no doubt that this has been one of the most depressing seasons in living memory, but can we put our fingers on what exactly went wrong? Below, I’ve listed my thoughts, but please chip in with your own in the hope that someone at the club might read and learn from some of this.
1) Caldwell’s clearout. He should never have let Pearce go, or send Morsy and Colclough out on loan. The team that won the league last year should have been given a chance in the Championship.
2) Going the whole season without a recognised right back. That’s apart from Luke Burke, of course, who impressed over three games or so, then was allowed to go out on loan.
3) Signing so many midfielders. How could the team possibly incorporate Nick Powell, Jordi Gomez, Michael Jacobs, Yanic Wildschutt and Alex Gilbey, or David Perkins, Shaun McDonald and Max Power? The squad was so imbalanced that just about all those players ended up filling in at right back.
4) Certain players not turning up. Alex Bogdan goes without saying, but Power, Grigg and Jacobs were all disappointing.
5) Did we panic and sack Caldwell too early?
6) Hiring Warren Joyce. I think we can all agree this was a mistake. Whatever reputation he had as a coach was undermined by some of the most boring football Wiganers have ever seen. To his credit, though, we did start defending better and he brought Morsy out from the cold.
7) Lack of professionalism.,We’re run by a 20-something chippy manager (or are we?), and Jonathan Jackson has been invisible all season. No manager since Martinez has been allowed to bring in their own backroom staff. Instead, we rely on a network of old boys who, this season, seemed to come and go intermittently (Pollitt, Cribley, Jackson, Atherton, Doolan, Barrow). It’s great to see them back st the club but are they the best people for the job? Joyce’s comments about fitness levels or the number of unexplained long-term injuries recently (Reece James, Donervon Daniels) would suggest not,
8) Getting rid of the local lads. Chow, Flores, Jennings and Burke may not have been worldbeaters but, in this situation, they may just have tried a little harder for their local team. Furthermore, we might have given them time rather than getting on their backs; local players are good for morale and no seen as mercenaries like Tinnicliffe and Hanson.
9) Too many loan signings, some of whom (Marcus Browne) were moaning as soon as they got here and half of whom were injured anyway.
10) Selling Wildschutt. The price may have been right but he was the only player who provided any surprise bits of magic all season.
So, which is the most important? Or can you add your own thoughts as to where it all went wrong?
The ones that I’d disagree with Martin are points 1, 5, 7, 8 & 10
1 – personally I never rated Pearce. he was part of the team that took Latics down from the championship last time & for me got exposed regularly at League 1 level (only the players who got the chances more often than not couldn’t take advantage of those errors). Colclough didn’t impress me at Lge 1 level either & I thought was a poor signing & he wasn’t even a regular at MK Dons this season. I don’t think a couple of moderately impressive brief cameos since his return are evidence enough to say it was a mistake to leave him out for so long. Morsy is a strange one. Again didn’t impress me in Lge1 but he himself felt he was being played out of position & it led to a fall out with Caldwell. That said he impressed when Joyce put him further forward but is looking poor again now that he’s been dropped further back & withdrawal at half time on Saturday, coupled with Barrow’s comments about him not being a box to box player plus his absence last night would indicate to me that he may have had another falling out with the management.
I don’t think the clearout itself was the problem coz I don’t think last season’s squad was good enough by & large to compete – you kind of hint at it in point 4 when you say that Power, Grigg & Jacobs were all disappointing. For me that’s coz they aren’t good enough for this level & they were some of the most promising players last season5 – Caldwell made alot of mistakes from the close season onwards. Whether it was his assumption that Grigg would find goals as easy to come by this season as last or his decision to try to go back to a back 3 that hadn’t worked at the start of the previous season either. There were many more too. His recruitment was also poor, but for me a massive failing was his inability to see where things were going wrong & change it during a game. In the previous season early doors he recognised where he’d gone wrong with initial formations & players in games & was quick to change it with 1st half substitutions, revamping formations at half time & more often than not it worked – this season he just seemed incapable of identifying what was going wrong & putting it right. The warning signs were there during a dire pre-season
7 – I don’t get where the criticism of Jonathan Jackson is coming from. He’s the number cruncher & Latics are doign well to keep things on an even keel financially. From the people that have been to these meetings with the top dogs at the club, Jackson has had no input into choosing managers, firing them, deciding on coaching staff or player recruitment beyond what we can & can’t afford. Sharpe I don’t know – he talks the talk & ultimately he’s only chosen the manager & not the players or the tactics
8 – the local lads you name aren’t good enough with the possible exception of Burke who did seem to have something about him. I’d try hard if I pulled on a Latics shirt but I’d still be garbage
10 – With Wildschutt in the team Latics were still struggling. he just offered the odd bit of spark here & there but it wouldn’t have made that much difference. He wanted to go & the money was offered to our manager for new recruits & brought in Bogle who looked like he had somet about him till he was plonked up front on his todd with no support & dragged down with the rest of the garbage
For me the main reasons are poor recruitment (either in quality or the style of player) from the end of last season, a manager who seemed to throw aware all the lessons he’d learned in the previous season, an appalling managerial appointment in Joyce & further poor recruitment in January[/quote]
Agree 100% with this TyldesleyGood coaches are more effective than good players. I still believe we have the players to turn this slump around if they are coached better. All season some on here have asked why Max Power plays every game its probably down to the fact he does what the manager wants and expects of him. That is how he is coached. Jobs for the boys is well and good but it is hurting the club. Take the lad at Huddersfield they have no stars but a brilliant coach . He doesn’t need to be a big name but it is what we need at Wigan. Slagging off Mr Whelan constantly is insane and won’t achieve anything.
I agree it does have to be the right manager this time or we will stagnate and become another Port Vale, Oldham etc. (But you know what? If that happens, so be it. I’ll still turn up every week)
But I’m not sure about there being a need for a manager with no club connections.
Jewell, Martinez and Caldwell have all been ex-players and have either got us promoted’ kept us up, or have won something.
As for the managers not bringing their own back room staff, it’s a fallacy. Of recent managers:
Jewell brought Chris Huchings with him
Bruce brought Eric Black
Martinez brought in Graeme Jones, Dennis Lawrence, Graham Barrow and others
Coyle brought in Sandy Stewart and Phil Hughes
Rosler brought in Chris Haslam, but Mark Warburton turned down the move as he wanted the Brentford manager’s job
Mackay brought in nobody because nobody wanted to be associated with him and his pending FA charge!
Caldwell didn’t have anyone to bring in
Warren Joyce brought in Andy Welsh and Mick RathboneBacking up what Tyldesley has said. I also can’t understand the stick Jonathan Jackson is getting. At the end of the day, JJ is a Latics fan so he has the best interests of the club at heart.
But he’s also an accountant, and I’d much rather there be an accountant in charge of the finances than someone who’s happy to throw good money after bad.
And it’s all well and good people saying we need to speculate to accumulate (or other well-worn clichés like that), but this is real life. If you gamble and it doesn’t work, you’re in the mire and you won’t get out of it again for a long time – if ever.
I just want Nigel Pearson. I think he is the right type of manager and character for the club. A bit of a hard head who won’t take no guff. We won’t ever get Warnock, as you rightly say, but I think Pearson is of a similar ilk.
I don’t want another easy appointment, a yes man, or no experience. I don’t want Graeme Jones for this reason. I still think we will install Barrow permanently, I hope David and Jonathan prove me wrong, I really do.
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