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What I don’t understand is when did Espinoza become a world-beater?
The player I remember had loads of energy but a shocking first touch at times.
He’s decent, but he’s certainly not the player to turn the whole season around.
Yep I like Espinoza. Had a great cup final but did you watch him against Rubin Kazan ? Thought he was mediocre at best, I was hoping that he would put in a MoM performance, so that OC might feature him more. Missed his opportunity I fear.
Also: we can discount Jean B from now on, since he wants to leave at the end of the season.
Isn’t it funny how different people perceive things ! Brighton for me were far the better side today and bossed it for long periods, they deserved their win.The big centre half ( No.38 ) was in total control throughout his time on the pitch, a comment that would apply to their right back ( No.2 ). We gave the ball away far too cheaply and the control of Fortune was just laughable !
Brighton did enjoy lots of possession, but only in the middle third. They had jack shyte quality up front. [/quote]
We have “jack shyte” up front but the difference is
Brighton scored, something we can’t do in the League.
Were like a broken up jigsaw without the picture. I can’t believe the total transformation this dick Coyle has done to our club in such a short period of time.
Let’s take Swansea since Martinez left, they always tried to maintain the same style of football regardless of who’s in charge but us ?? !! ffs, He’s re-wrote the book on how to look shyte in under 6 month!!.
For me , it’s not the players , sack the turd and let’s move on.What I don’t understand is when did Espinoza become a world-beater?
The player I remember had loads of energy but a shocking first touch at times.
He’s decent, but he’s certainly not the player to turn the whole season around.
Agreed – if I’m actually allowed to do that.
There’s an element of Emperor’s New Clothes about Espinoza. Decent, as you say, but he’s no Jordi Gomez ;)[/quote]
The grass is always greener. I still fall into the trap.
On Saturday when Holt came on I said “Well, at least he can’t be worse than Fortune”.
I too wonder why Espinoza isn’t getting a look in, but equally when I look back I don’t remember him changing games or being a world beater. I would be interested to see him given more opportunity than he is at present (ie zero), but I don’t think he’s the Messiah. Cue “naughty boy” jokes.
We’re like a broken up jigsaw without the picture.
Very good! Martinez certainly had a very clear vision of what he wanted.
Coyle has shown very little ability to reassemble the remaining pieces to reveal a vision of his own. I’m disappointed and surprised, because he produced successful teams in his time at Burnley and Bolton.
He had probably taken Burnley as far as they could go when he left. At Bolton, he introduced attractive, attacking play in place of the dour style of Megson. But the 5-0 semi-final defeat by Stoke was the turning point.
In his relegation season, he failed (or was unable) to replace his two forwards – Sturridge and Elmander. And he started the season without Holden, Lee and Mears, all suffering from long term injuries. The sale of Cahill and the tragic loss of Muamba then proved too much for the Wanderers.
So, like Roberto, Coyle has been unlucky with injuries. But he failed to recruit effective new forwards at Bolton, just as he has at Wigan. I really don’t know if the pieces will eventually drop neatly into place at Wigan.
We’re like a broken up jigsaw without the picture.Very good! Martinez certainly had a very clear vision of what he wanted.
Coyle has shown very little ability to reassemble the remaining pieces to reveal a vision of his own. I’m disappointed and surprised, because he produced successful teams in his time at Burnley and Bolton.
He had probably taken Burnley as far as they could go when he left. At Bolton, he introduced attractive, attacking play in place of the dour style of Megson. But the 5-0 semi-final defeat by Stoke was the turning point.
In his relegation season, he failed (or was unable) to replace his two forwards – Sturridge and Elmander. And he started the season without Holden, Lee and Mears, all suffering from long term injuries. The sale of Cahill and the tragic loss of Muamba then proved too much for the Wanderers.
So, like Roberto, Coyle has been unlucky with injuries. But he failed to recruit effective new forwards at Bolton, just as he has at Wigan. I really don’t know if the pieces will eventually drop neatly into place at Wigan.
At one time you couldn’t get DW off the tele singing the praises of firstly Jewell the RM. I haven’t heard him once praise Coyle since the Barnsley game that’s because there’s nothing to sing about.
Let’s not forget, he holds the purse strings so I hope he comes to his senses and realizes he’s a dropped a bullox hiring this Muppet.The games haven’t been terrible to watch for four years!The team has done its best to play football, often against teams with much more skilful players. Whilst Wigan have been cutting the size of their squad and their wage bill, other teams have been vastly increasing theirs.
Wigan have found it hard to compete, but not because of any lack of effort from the manager or the players. The players collectively simply weren’t good enough to compete with other squads.
Short memories Barnsley.
80% of the last fours years was not easy viewing – it was just that the other 20% was so sublime it completely subsumed the dross.Looking back, Coyle was sharp enough to pay £3 million for Shrewsbury-born Steven Fletcher to join Burnley.
After relegation, Burnley sold him for £6.5 million to Wolves.
After relegation, Wolves sold him for £12 million to Sunderland.
80% of the last fours years was not easy viewing – it was just that the other 20% was so sublime it completely subsumed the dross.Are you saying that the football was unattractive in 80% of the games, or that the team couldn’t manage good enough results?
But you’re right that on their day they were imperious.
All the players look so disjointed and clueless you wonder what tactics (if any) Coyle’s trying to put across to the players.
Like I said before , I’m not having a go at the players, as a whole I personally think it’s one of the best squads in the Championship if it were used right.If Holt was used like he was at Norwich , wide/midfield players aiming balls to his feet and head while he’s attacking the six yard box rather than the ball been lumped up to him with he’s back to goal 20 yrd out then he might get us 15-20 goals but the way he’s been used he’ll be lucky to get us 5.
Lets have Kav in from Carlisle, if only for the Roberts ball at Highbury :)
The games haven’t been terrible to watch for four years!
The team has done its best to play football, often against teams with much more skilful players. Whilst Wigan have been cutting the size of their squad and their wage bill, other teams have been vastly increasing theirs.
Wigan have found it hard to compete, but not because of any lack of effort from the manager or the players. The players collectively simply weren’t good enough to compete with other squads.
The problem today is quite different. It’s not the lack of resources, it’s the the lack of direction. The squad is overflowing with good midfield players, most of whom have Premier League experience. But the manager has failed to get them to play in any organised manner. On occasions they haven’t been involved in the play at all.
I would be in total disagreement. The issue is that we have a range of poor quality midfielders, that none of which see the need to take control of a game and dominate. McCann is awful, Watson has one good game in 6, McCarthur is missing McCarthey or a decent player to play alongside but puts in a more of a shift than most, Espinoza is class and for what ever reason isnt being given a run. Wingers need to be given the chance, albrighton is rubbish.[/quote]
Couldn’t disagree more, on almost every player you mention.
Still you’re entitled to your opinion I suppose, as deep and insightful as it was.[/quote]
Not sure if this is a ‘bite’ reply, but not sure how your view is the opposite of this.
McCann, awful, no insight into games, very few occurences when going forward makes any breakthrough, cant control a game and always chasing the ball.
Watson has 1 good game in 6, please confirm the contratory ?
McCarthur, i rate the player, but on his own out there cant make the impact he is known to do.
I still await Albrightens contributrion that isnt selfish, or indeed skillfull.
McClean and McManaman need to be played regularly for me to try and build form.[/quote]
I simply disagree, with you but you have already decided that you’re right, so what’s the point?
How can I confirm that Ben Watson only has 1 good game in 6? More to the point, how can you confirm that he hasn’t? How is it being measured and where did you get the stats.
If you can’t see that Albrighton is a Premier league player you might as well pack in. He took time to settle but he definitrly showe dglimpses on Satuirday of what he can do. And you call him selfish, but not McManaman or McCann? Right-o!
The games haven’t been terrible to watch for four years!
The team has done its best to play football, often against teams with much more skilful players. Whilst Wigan have been cutting the size of their squad and their wage bill, other teams have been vastly increasing theirs.
Wigan have found it hard to compete, but not because of any lack of effort from the manager or the players. The players collectively simply weren’t good enough to compete with other squads.
Short memories Barnsley.
80% of the last fours years was not easy viewing – it was just that the other 20% was so sublime it completely subsumed the dross.[/quote]In your opinion, of course
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