Wigan flag at Gladtonbury

“that ignorant bigoted IRA and Hamas supporter”
As opposed to May who wants an alliance, an actual political alliance, with ignorant bigoted UVF, anti-gay marriage, climate change deniers, people who believe the Earth is 6000 years old, anti-women’s rights, with leaders who have been pictured with an AK47 rifle and loyalist military uniform?
That Jeremy Corbyn, who opposes that?

To be fair Donny, Jessa is probably there just so he cam tuck into some magic mushrooms or should that be magic money trees.

An alliance with the DUP no matter how nutty they may be is still preferable to that clown having anything to do with governing our country.
If you think things aren’t good now, it would be a darn sight worse after 5 years with Corbyn and co in charge. We would definitely need to be still in the EU as we would all be having to move to Eastern Europe as this country would be f****d.[/quote]

At least the DUP are loyal to the flag & to the Queen; more than can be said for weasel Corbyn ( the most detestable Labour leader in my lifetime ).

I’ve lived with the wind-ups of Horc (my brother Paul) and Donny (my brother Steve) for 40-odd years so I should know better than to rise to this, but I’m afraid that the pair of you are starting to seriously boil my piss now. You don’t like Corbyn – fine. But, please, debate on the facts not dopey, narrow prejudice.

Firstly, you claim he is an IRA and Hamas supporter. Yes, he has shared a platform with both groups. Last I heard, supporting Irish republicanism or Palestinian rights were entirely legitimate positions. Or do you not believe in free speech? Let’s judge him on what he says: he comes over as a man of peace. And how refreshing is it to hear a politician talk of peace? Along with the future of the planet, it’s been forgotten somewhere along the way, and what he said at Glastonbury was hopeful and inspiring.

Second, you accuse him and the “horrible bastards” of his shadow cabinet of being opportunist about the Grenfell tower fire. This is the most heinous untruth. The worst that could happen now, in my opinion, is for this event to be depoliticised and talked about as if it was an act of God. A Conservative council – the richest borough in the country – failed in its duty of care to its poorest citizens: housing them in a death trap, clad with illegal materials, ignoring the warnings of the residents, cutting access for the fire crews, while the Tory government also cut fire service and police numbers. All in a borough where, in some areas, up to 40% of the properties are bought for investment and left empty at any one time, and where one family home “in need of modernisation” is on sale for £30 million (safe cladding for the tower would have cost 200 grand). The council also has hundreds of millions in reserves that it’s not allowed by central government to spend on social housing (a problem that dates back to Thatcher selling off council properties but not allowing councils to replenish their stocks); and they could afford to pay a council tax rebate to residents before the 2015 election (just not the ones on housing benefit or council tax reduction, of course).

What part of that is not political?

Then Lostock (our old friend Alistair) joins in with “the DUP are loyal to the flag and the Queen”. Brilliant. So what you’re saying there is that yes, they’re terrorist sympathisers too, but they’re OK because the UDA, UVF, Red Hand Commandos etc they support are “our” murderers. Well, sorry, not in my name, lads. You can love your country passionately, as I do, and still wish our pointless parasitic charade of a royal family were put out of their jobs. (NB, in typically, measured style, Jeremy Corbyn was only ever perfectly polite about the Queen at the last election).

Finally, who are these “pampered middle class turds being chsmpions of the people” that Donny (my brother Steve again) is wanging on about? That’s people like me, isn’t it, with my fancy London ways? I’m sorry that I haven’t conformed to type and voted with my wallet as I’ve got older; that I remember where I come from and want people to share the opportunities I’ve had (primarily free education and affordable housing). I’ve had my reservations about Corbyn for ages, but it’s blooming marvellous to finally hear a politician invite us to talk about a world that’s about more than work, the economy and the deficit; about the great things that can be built by pooling our creativity, ingenuity and community; about how there is more that unites us than divides us.

Right now, the only thing that unites us here is a lifelong love of the Latics but I’m not sure I can bring the kids to sit in the same stand as any of you until I see some attempt at engaging with facts and arguments rather than pure blind prejudice. And don’t try to laugh it off as banter.

So Steve, Paul, Ali: if you are genuinely happy with Theresa May’s government and the idea that your grandkids will only ever know a life of massive debt, insecure work, diminished public serices and never being likely to afford a home, then just you keep voting for that. But I think you realise that a huge movement is making you feel a little outdated right now and that your silly IRA jibes are just not cutting through.

So dare to dream, as the Tottenham fans say. Or at least propose some alternatives, rather than sharing embarrassing shit like the above.

Well that’s thrown the cat amongst the pigeons Martin.

Personally I don’trust a single politician at all so don’t even have a party but how anyone can think this “deal” with a bunch of homophobic, sexist, racist loons who think its still 1600 is good for our future is beyond me.

Getting back to the subject of Glastonbury it’s been quite a few years since I last attended a music festival but I don’t seem to remember these sterile areas in front of the stage. What are the musicians scared of, being hit with a bottle of piss or is it they just don’t want to see real people.

Anyway it never happened in my day.