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i think anybody who’s actually met Roberto will agree that he’s a very hard man to grill and fall out with.
… apparently it was a bit of a no show by our band of naysayers. Probably no keyboards for them to hide behind at the stadium
Are you a member of the supporters club?
I have watched latics for over 45 years and never been a member and there are many more who have never been members, and as far as I was led to believe only members were invited.
If you wish to talk about keyboard warriors I think 5525 qualifies you lord and master of that tribe.[/quote]
I am dissappointed that any Latics fan doesn;t become a member of the only true Wigan Athletic Fans association…. web sites and message boards apart this is the only thing left standing from Springfield Park. It was here before most of us and will only be here after us if we join.
I am almost disgusted that someone of 45 year standing isn’t or hasn’t been a member…. most of the old timers (including the youth of old ) are still members….[/quote]Disgusted why ?
Only up until the last 5 years or so I have never been one to go for a alcoholic drink pre/post or during the game so the need for membership to gain access to the old club on SP or any of the new variations on or surrounding the DW was never needed.
I have only travelled to away games on the supporters club coach a handful of times in all that time, probably when there was no other way and paid the premium for non members, as soon as i had the means I drove everywhere, so why other than any of that would I need to be a member.
I think the season tickets my self a my family have had for the years we have had them, all the time at the JJB/DW for all of us, over 30 years in my wifes case and as many times as my job and other hobbies allowed for my self, speak as loud as any £5 membership for exclusive drinking rights, that is not a dig at supporters club members and I fully understand their reasons for being members, but i also take exception with your “almost disgust” comment which is just another sign of the intolerance of opposing views that has riddled all our supporters in the last 3 seasons, and one I cant remember ever being so bad in my previous 45 years.
He just said it was not what he’d been used to and it didn’t do any favours. Said two Swansea players he had ginned were surprised about how negative we wereI think that’s a general trend at Wigan when things aren’t going well in a game. Because our rise to the Premier League was sudden, on match day you can have two thirds of the people in the stadium who’ve never seen Wigan get relegated or fall into the doldrums. They’ve only seen success, and when things start going wrong in a game, there’s an audible groan, murmurs of discontent and then the inevitable Wigan Walk.
I even used to see it in the first season in the Premier League, where, if we went behind in the second half, a group sat in front of me quite often stood up, slammed their seats, and stormed out whilst throwing glares at Jewell and gesturing towards the pitch. And this was the first season of playing the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal – which I found difficult to comprehend.
So no, it’s not the reason why the team lost on Saturday, and it’s not the reason why the team are bottom of the league, but it definitely is counter-productive, and the club need supporters, not spectators.
No doubt someone will want to reply that the players and manager should give us something to support and cheer for – but that just reinforces the argument.
Martinez blaming the reaction of the crowd as not helping the players is bloody lame and everybody knows it, I shudder at the depths resorted to in defence of this manager and the retoric he uses to excuse his own ineptitude, every one of his excuses have a counter argument that shows them to be utter tosh.
Disgusted why ?Only up until the last 5 years or so I have never been one to go for a alcoholic drink pre/post or during the game so the need for membership to gain access to the old club on SP or any of the new variations on or surrounding the DW was never needed.
I have only travelled to away games on the supporters club coach a handful of times in all that time, probably when there was no other way and paid the premium for non members, as soon as i had the means I drove everywhere, so why other than any of that would I need to be a member.
I think the season tickets my self a my family have had for the years we have had them, all the time at the JJB/DW for all of us, over 30 years in my wifes case and as many times as my job and other hobbies allowed for my self, speak as loud as any £5 membership for exclusive drinking rights, that is not a dig at supporters club members and I fully understand their reasons for being members, but i also take exception with your “almost disgust” comment which is just another sign of the intolerance of opposing views that has riddled all our supporters in the last 3 seasons, and one I cant remember ever being so bad in my previous 45 years.
I was with you every step of the way there LMB, right up until you tried to blame Jay’s disgust (which I too felt was a bit harsh tough it’s his own opinion) on Roberto Martinez. You just can’t help yourself can you?
In his usual way. The bloke was pushing him on how he could always make bad news sound good and that was his biggest gripe.
Lots of detailed answers and positivity and it’s a good job he clarified the bit about the atmosphere at home games that needed sorting out.
why,was he blaming the atmosphere for the way the team plays[/quote]
Because he was backed into a corner and that is the first thing that came into his head !! Now if only he had come out with the real reason..The floodlights are too bright and they dazzle the players ![/quote]
How on earth can a bloke who volunteers to sit in front of 200 fans be backed into a corner! I think you’ll find he has faced harder interrogators than he faced last night.
Martinez blaming the reaction of the crowd as not helping the players is bloody lame and everybody knows it, I shudder at the depths resorted to in defence of this manager and the retoric he uses to excuse his own ineptitude, every one of his excuses have a counter argument that shows them to be utter tosh.So, what is the counter argument to the claim that a negative crowd negatively affects the players’ performance?
Martinez blaming the reaction of the crowd as not helping the players is bloody lame and everybody knows it, I shudder at the depths resorted to in defence of this manager and the retoric he uses to excuse his own ineptitude, every one of his excuses have a counter argument that shows them to be utter tosh.
So, what is the counter argument to the claim that a negative crowd negatively affects the players’ performance?[/quote]
As others have said, and even you commented on (to pre dismiss it)
If the players showed some intent and a smidgen of passion, or the manager showed any ability to get it right from the off, perhaps the crowd would have reacted accordingly.
Where, when and why did the booing actually start on saturday – I think you may find or remember not until the crowd realised what was being served up was dire – and that is down to the motivation of the team not the fans and that is why what martinez has said is another in his long line of lame excuses.He just said it was not what he’d been used to and it didn’t do any favours. Said two Swansea players he had ginned were surprised about how negative we were
I think that’s a general trend at Wigan when things aren’t going well in a game. Because our rise to the Premier League was sudden, on match day you can have two thirds of the people in the stadium who’ve never seen Wigan get relegated or fall into the doldrums. They’ve only seen success, and when things start going wrong in a game, there’s an audible groan, murmurs of discontent and then the inevitable Wigan Walk.
I even used to see it in the first season in the Premier League, where, if we went behind in the second half, a group sat in front of me quite often stood up, slammed their seats, and stormed out whilst throwing glares at Jewell and gesturing towards the pitch. And this was the first season of playing the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal – which I found difficult to comprehend.
So no, it’s not the reason why the team lost on Saturday, and it’s not the reason why the team are bottom of the league, but it definitely is counter-productive, and the club need supporters, not spectators.
No doubt someone will want to reply that the players and manager should give us something to support and cheer for – but that just reinforces the argument.[/quote]
I’d disagree with you there Standish because every single club in the land suffers with moans & groan from the crowd when things aren’t going well. From Old Trafford & the Emirates to Bradford Park Avenue where I was on Saturday. For the most part people who pay to go to football matches go to support & cheer but (IMO) it’s only natural if you see players misplace passes or slice shots into the crowd to grumble & groan.
In fact I would say that, for all people come on here & whinge and moan and deman his sacking, that Bobby (& his team) have had a relatively easy ride from the crowd within the stadium at matches. I don’t think at any other club in the top flight who had had similar results & performances over the last 3 seasons would you have seen so little open revolt against the manager – bloody hell just look at Blackburn & Steve Kean & they’ve only had to put up with it for just over 1 season. I think that is in the main because, again for the most part, people recognise that he is operating on a relative shoestring & does have a genuine affection for the club so they are prepared to cut him alot of slack.
From time to time however people’s frustrations will boil over and IMO far from it being a time when people say “we need supporters not spectators” for Bobby to have said what he did last night displays a certain arrogance that he should not get any public criticism despite quite clearly making numerous mistakes in his team selection & tactics. Mistakes that he’s made before numerous times & not learned his lessons from & mistakes which even lead the owner to publicly criticise him.
Its naive to think that people are goign to watch the drivel that was served up from start to finish on Saturday & do nothing but clap & cheer for 90 minutes, stay to the end & then applaudHe just said it was not what he’d been used to and it didn’t do any favours. Said two Swansea players he had ginned were surprised about how negative we were
I think that’s a general trend at Wigan when things aren’t going well in a game. Because our rise to the Premier League was sudden, on match day you can have two thirds of the people in the stadium who’ve never seen Wigan get relegated or fall into the doldrums. They’ve only seen success, and when things start going wrong in a game, there’s an audible groan, murmurs of discontent and then the inevitable Wigan Walk.
I even used to see it in the first season in the Premier League, where, if we went behind in the second half, a group sat in front of me quite often stood up, slammed their seats, and stormed out whilst throwing glares at Jewell and gesturing towards the pitch. And this was the first season of playing the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal – which I found difficult to comprehend.
So no, it’s not the reason why the team lost on Saturday, and it’s not the reason why the team are bottom of the league, but it definitely is counter-productive, and the club need supporters, not spectators.
No doubt someone will want to reply that the players and manager should give us something to support and cheer for – but that just reinforces the argument.[/quote]
I’d disagree with you there Standish because every single club in the land suffers with moans & groan from the crowd when things aren’t going well. From Old Trafford & the Emirates to Bradford Park Avenue where I was on Saturday. For the most part people who pay to go to football matches go to support & cheer but (IMO) it’s only natural if you see players misplace passes or slice shots into the crowd to grumble & groan.
In fact I would say that, for all people come on here & whinge and moan and deman his sacking, that Bobby (& his team) have had a relatively easy ride from the crowd within the stadium at matches. I don’t think at any other club in the top flight who had had similar results & performances over the last 3 seasons would you have seen so little open revolt against the manager – bloody hell just look at Blackburn & Steve Kean & they’ve only had to put up with it for just over 1 season. I think that is in the main because, again for the most part, people recognise that he is operating on a relative shoestring & does have a genuine affection for the club so they are prepared to cut him alot of slack.
From time to time however people’s frustrations will boil over and IMO far from it being a time when people say “we need supporters not spectators” for Bobby to have said what he did last night displays a certain arrogance that he should not get any public criticism despite quite clearly making numerous mistakes in his team selection & tactics. Mistakes that he’s made before numerous times & not learned his lessons from & mistakes which even lead the owner to publicly criticise him.
Its naive to think that people are goign to watch the drivel that was served up from start to finish on Saturday & do nothing but clap & cheer for 90 minutes, stay to the end & then applaud[/quote]Bravo !!! This latest excuse is quite frankly laughable and anybody attempting to endorse it is in my opinion showing nothing more than blind faith !! Sorry !
I think I’m (genuinely) missing something here. I understand that he had a pop at the crowd and then retractedqualified it later, but I don’t know exactly what was said and in what context. Can anyone enlighten me?
What I would say in advance of learning exactly what was said, is that any manager whose team serves up the kind of dross that his did on Saturday is on very dodgy ground blaming the crowd.
In the interview i saw with him at the weekend, during one part of it,
after saying the things he did about players being away on international duty he said, “the crowd were anxious and did not get behind the players like they usually do and this in turn made the players more nervous”.(not verbatum)
Apparently last night(according to other sites) he commented about being surprised at the crowd reaction on saturday and how two swansea players said they thought the crowd was negative, he also is quoted as saying :-
gomez is the bravest member of our squad and the reason we dont put crosses is in the box is so we dont give the opposition a chance to win the ball back.I think I’m (genuinely) missing something here. I understand that he had a pop at the crowd and then retractedqualified it later, but I don’t know exactly what was said and in what context. Can anyone enlighten me?What I would say in advance of learning exactly what was said, is that any manager whose team serves up the kind of dross that his did on Saturday is on very dodgy ground blaming the crowd.
Sorry I should have qualifed part of my post by saying “if what I’ve heard what Bobby said last night is true, then it displays a certain arrogance etc…. ;)
Basically what I’ve heard was said is what LMB has just posted and also saying that it didn’t help the situation – admittedly it doesn’t help but as you’ve stated any manager who has a go at the crowd after Saturday is on shaky ground. I think his good PR mask must have slipped a little when he said that – what did he expect them to do & that was the point I was trying to make initiallyhe also is quoted as saying :-
gomez is the bravest member of our squadHe’s certainly gamer than me – I wouldn’t go looking for the ball as often as he does knowing full well the crowd is likely to get right on his back the second it goes wrong – or more often than not, just before it goes wrong. ;)
he also is quoted as saying :-
the reason we dont put crosses is in the box is so we dont give the opposition a chance to win the ball back.Hmmm, all well and good, I suppose, provided we are pinging ’em in to the back of the net from 25/30 yards on a regular basis
‘the reason we dont put crosses is in the box is so we dont give the opposition a chance to win the ball back’
surely he cannot have said this, never in a million years – the only conclusion I can make is the person quoting this statement may well have had too many sherberts and is wildly mistaken / pissed
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