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Looks like were back on Manager the merry go round for another week as Martinez confirms he will reach a decision next Monday.
Must have seen the Mourinho situation on SKY SPORTS NEWS and faxed over his CV.
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Bruce would of took us down had he stayed and we would be in a much worse position than we are right now.
And how do you know that? We finished 11th in his second season. Our second highest finish.
He’s got Birmingham and Hull promoted from the Championship.There are worse managers about !!!!
yeah and he got brummie relagated,he would of taken us down if he hadnt had the points on the board,the form we shown in second half of season was relegation form,and with the massive wages he brought in we would have been fucked in the championship, oh and he his a JUDUS C@NT
Whether the club could afford it is another matter
One that should not be brushed aside as you are teetering at the fact Bruce was a better Manager for us than Roberto.
Bruce would of took us down had he stayed and we would be in a much worse position than we are right now.[/quote]
I haven’t said anywhere on this thread that I thought Bruce was a better Latics manager than bobby is. Nor have i hinted that’s what I think
To be honest you can’t compare the 2 – Bruce achieved much better league positions but he operated under a far bigger budget nor did he win a major cup or beat the “big boys”
Some times I preferred the style of football under Bruce but some times the football produced under Bobby has wiped the floor with it (& vice versa)
All I’ve done is defend Titus Bramble & state that under Bruce he was superb & he was. In fact the whole defence was & you can’t get away from that fact. Under Martinez’s defensive system pretty much the same defence conceded more goals in 3 months than they had in the previous season under Bruce but on the flip side Bobby’s teams have scored more goals
However just as you can’t use Bobby’s poorer league finishes to say he is a poorer manager (due to the difference in budgets) nor IMO can you say the Bruce would definitely have got Latics relegated (do you have the ability to travel back & forth between other realities?)
Nor can you say Latics would have been in a far worse position – he’d have had to operate under the same budget constraints & again you/we have no idea of the players he’d have signed or how he’d have attempted to re-structure the clubWhether the club could afford it is another matter
One that should not be brushed aside as you are teetering at the fact Bruce was a better Manager for us than Roberto.
Bruce would of took us down had he stayed and we would be in a much worse position than we are right now.[/quote]
I haven’t said anywhere on this thread that I thought Bruce was a better Latics manager than bobby is. Nor have i hinted that’s what I think
To be honest you can’t compare the 2 – Bruce achieved much better league positions but he operated under a far bigger budget nor did he win a major cup or beat the “big boys”
Some times I preferred the style of football under Bruce but some times the football produced under Bobby has wiped the floor with it (& vice versa)
All I’ve done is defend Titus Bramble & state that under Bruce he was superb & he was. In fact the whole defence was & you can’t get away from that fact. Under Martinez’s defensive system pretty much the same defence conceded more goals in 3 months than they had in the previous season under Bruce but on the flip side Bobby’s teams have scored more goals
However just as you can’t use Bobby’s poorer league finishes to say he is a poorer manager (due to the difference in budgets) nor IMO can you say the Bruce would definitely have got Latics relegated (do you have the ability to travel back & forth between other realities?)
Nor can you say Latics would have been in a far worse position – he’d have had to operate under the same budget constraints & again you/we have no idea of the players he’d have signed or how he’d have attempted to re-structure the club[/quote]Of course you can compare the two you just did!!!!
Bruce is only good with money to spend, its why he jumped ship once he realised Whelan would no longer fund the plus signs on his CV!
His transfer record is absolutely terrible.
Putting aside the melons he signed for us and Sunderland he once again has thrown money at the situation to get Hull out of the Championship.
He spent a shit load of money here and he amounted to nothing.
Roberto operated under a third of his budget and won the FA cup.
Dont want to keep pulling you up on this but seeing as you think Ellington was over rated and Bramble was an “absolute rock” I think you need to go and get your head checked.
On average we have conceded just under 69 goals a season during RM’s tenure, now surely that is cause for concern as regards to his defensive strategies. It really is that simple ! The chances as many say are that we would eventually go down, there was never going to be any big money bandied about and we were never going to attract players of a certain standard but to keep making the same defensive mistakes over and over again was always going to catch up with us eventually. The Spurs and Swansea errors really did drive it home how inept our defense really is ! I just hope that whoever is our manager next season they address a glaringly obvious problem !
On average we have conceded just under 69 goals a season during RM’s tenure, now surely that is cause for concern as regards to his defensive strategies. It really is that simple ! The chances as many say are that we would eventually go down, there was never going to be any big money bandied about and we were never going to attract players of a certain standard but to keep making the same defensive mistakes over and over again was always going to catch up with us eventually. The Spurs and Swansea errors really did drive it home how inept our defense really is ! I just hope that whoever is our manager next season they address a glaringly obvious problem !You know what Phil I think you have just solved the problem.
We should obviously as you pointed out appoint someone who can address the problem of our defence this season.
Does anyone know any miracle makers or witch doctors who are available?
Alcaraz was the key loss for us this season without that injury our form with him in the side shows we would of been in a far better position.
goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpostWhats he doing there? Pretending to hold an FA CUP?
On average we have conceded just under 69 goals a season during RM’s tenure, now surely that is cause for concern as regards to his defensive strategies. It really is that simple ! The chances as many say are that we would eventually go down, there was never going to be any big money bandied about and we were never going to attract players of a certain standard but to keep making the same defensive mistakes over and over again was always going to catch up with us eventually. The Spurs and Swansea errors really did drive it home how inept our defense really is ! I just hope that whoever is our manager next season they address a glaringly obvious problem !
You know what Phil I think you have just solved the problem.
We should obviously as you pointed out appoint someone who can address the problem of our defence this season.
Does anyone know any miracle makers or witch doctors who are available?
Alcaraz was the key loss for us this season without that injury our form with him in the side shows we would of been in a far better position.[/quote]
The stats are over 4 seasons ! 69 goals on average !! Problem or not ?
On average we have conceded just under 69 goals a season during RM’s tenure, now surely that is cause for concern as regards to his defensive strategies. It really is that simple ! The chances as many say are that we would eventually go down, there was never going to be any big money bandied about and we were never going to attract players of a certain standard but to keep making the same defensive mistakes over and over again was always going to catch up with us eventually. The Spurs and Swansea errors really did drive it home how inept our defense really is ! I just hope that whoever is our manager next season they address a glaringly obvious problem !
You know what Phil I think you have just solved the problem.
We should obviously as you pointed out appoint someone who can address the problem of our defence this season.
Does anyone know any miracle makers or witch doctors who are available?
Alcaraz was the key loss for us this season without that injury our form with him in the side shows we would of been in a far better position.[/quote]
The stats are over 4 seasons ! 69 goals on average !! Problem or not ?[/quote]
As usual plenty of criticism and no answers.
Who is your miracle maker of choice that can provide a defence worthy of competing with some of the top attacking footballers in the world at a fraction of cost?
no he did that in 1990, 1994, 1996 ;) he is saying we are premier league I am premier league (again) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dont want to keep pulling you up on this but seeing as you think Ellington was over rated and Bramble was an “absolute rock” I think you need to go and get your head checked.Sorry but if you don’t think that a centre half who was an integral part of the 7th best defence in the league that season was a rock then it is you who needs your head checking
admittedly under Hutchings & Bobby he was crap as both tried to play systems for which he didn’t have the skill set. Bruce got him to play to his strengths & was rewarded for it
As for Ellington, his career post-Latics shows you whether he was over-rated or not
admittedly under Hutchings & Bobby he was crap as both tried to play systems for which he didn’t have the skill set. Bruce got him to play to his strengths & was rewarded for it- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
