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Holt must be one of, if not the worst signing this club has ever made? 1.4m a year in wages for a bloke who has played a handful of games for us.. I suspect Holt will see his contract out til the end as nobody else outside the prem could afford him.
Well, seeing as he’s going to be out injured until a few months shy of the end of his contract, I suspect you’re right.
Wonder whether the club can get his contract paid up/cancelled via insurance? Not really sure how these things work.
Or just terminate his contract.
Companies can fire people for a poor sick record. Yes, there may be some compensation to pay, but it’s never anywhere near the value of the contract. And yes, I did work in HR. :)
Haha. Well you’ve obviously never worked in professional sport! As if you can cancel a contract due to injury!
Despite his loan period coming to an end, surely as he was injured whilst playing for Huddersfield, then there will be a financial implication for them with respect to Holt’s wages for the next 9 months.
After all, if you have a car on a 2 year lease, you cant smash it on the last day and hand the keys in without having insurance to cover the repair bill.
Or just terminate his contract.Companies can fire people for a poor sick record. Yes, there may be some compensation to pay, but it’s never anywhere near the value of the contract. And yes, I did work in HR. :)
Harry Ramsdens
Holt must be one of, if not the worst signing this club has ever made? 1.4m a year in wages for a bloke who has played a handful of games for us.. I suspect Holt will see his contract out til the end as nobody else outside the prem could afford him.
Well, seeing as he’s going to be out injured until a few months shy of the end of his contract, I suspect you’re right.
Wonder whether the club can get his contract paid up/cancelled via insurance? Not really sure how these things work.[/quote]
No idea really, if the club can get rid of him now by paying him up and saving money in the long term then I’d go for it. Can you imagine the size the of him when he returns after 9 months on the old sick note :). Cut your losses now Big Dave…
Haha. Well you’ve obviously never worked in professional sport! As if you can cancel a contract due to injury!Explain how professional sport is different from any other employment in English law please.
If the injury is viewed as career threatening (just as any long term illness may be in ‘ordinary’ jobs) then the employer unilaterally can terminate the contract. And despite common belief, the penalty if it goes to ET is not the full value of the contract. Would you be paid up to pension age if you became too ill to work? The reason most clubs carry players with injury is that they hope they will recover and play a part in the future and pay back the investment. It is quite likely that salary is contractually reduced during lay-offs, just as anyone else’s pay is reduced if you are off sick. Contracts are softer in sport as a result of agents being involved, but in the eyes of the law they are the same as any other contract. Why do you think transfer negotiations take so long? It’s all these ‘what ifs’.
If sports contracts are so sacrosanct, then why do managers get sacked? And do you really think they have to be paid up the full amount due?
I worked in Harry Ramsdens apparently, so do know what I’m talking about.
Haha. Well you’ve obviously never worked in professional sport! As if you can cancel a contract due to injury!
Explain how professional sport is different from any other employment in English law please.
If the injury is viewed as career threatening (just as any long term illness may be in ‘ordinary’ jobs) then the employer unilaterally can terminate the contract. And despite common belief, the penalty if it goes to ET is not the full value of the contract. Would you be paid up to pension age if you became too ill to work? The reason most clubs carry players with injury is that they hope they will recover and play a part in the future and pay back the investment. It is quite likely that salary is contractually reduced during lay-offs, just as anyone else’s pay is reduced if you are off sick. Contracts are softer in sport as a result of agents being involved, but in the eyes of the law they are the same as any other contract. Why do you think transfer negotiations take so long? It’s all these ‘what ifs’.
If sports contracts are so sacrosanct, then why do managers get sacked? And do you really think they have to be paid up the full amount due?
I worked in Harry Ramsdens apparently, so do know what I’m talking about.[/quote]
ET? I thought he was a botanist not an employment lawyer?
So with your method presumably if a player receives an injury towards the back end of his contract the club can legally just cancel his contract! As if! Do you think when you sign a contract in a sport where injuries are rife you aren’t covered? Like when Watson broke his leg last year we could just cancel his contract! Behave.
I’m talking about the legalities.
Not necessarily the same as what is likely to be done.
Firstly Watson has returned, so the club in not getting rid of him protected their asset. Secondly clubs (many anyway) do show some loyalty to their players. Ben Watson is a part of this club’s history, so they will view it more leniently. Companies do this all the time. We were far more reluctant to get rid of someone with a long absence who had put many years of good service in, compared to someone who is a fairly recent addition.
A contract is not just one way – it is a written (or sometimes not written) agreement about responsibilities and rewards. The player is often reported to have this or that demand, but the club has its expectations too. If someone cannot perform their job then the contract ceases to be valid.
Secondly – there is the question of the PR for the club. If a target is being sought by two clubs, would you want the agent to say “don’t go to them – they get rid of players quickly”. You have to be seen to be a “good” employer.
Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.
Injuries probably are covered in the contract. Insurance etc, and players towards the end of their careers are paid a low basic salary with a bigger portion of performance pay (appearances, goals, assist etc etc). The top stars in the prime of their careers are the ones who can demand high basic. I suspect Holt isn’t on a high basic (comparatively).
I can’t believe I’m having this debate – as you seem to be not understanding the difference between what CAN be done legally, and what is LIKELY to be done for a variety of reasons.
Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.A friend of mine is an HR Officer in the NE. In over 15 years of this line of work with a large company, she has never had an unfair dismissal case reach an ET – every single one has settled “Out of Court”.
Apparently over 90% of all such cases end this way.
Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.
A friend of mine is an HR Officer in the NE. In over 15 years of this line of work with a large company, she has never had an unfair dismissal case reach an ET – every single one has settled “Out of Court”.
Apparently over 90% of all such cases end this way.[/quote]
Correct
Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.
A friend of mine is an HR Officer in the NE. In over 15 years of this line of work with a large company, she has never had an unfair dismissal case reach an ET – every single one has settled “Out of Court”.
Apparently over 90% of all such cases end this way.[/quote]
Correct[/quote]
gl, would it not in the end all come down to the insurance on the player?
Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.
A friend of mine is an HR Officer in the NE. In over 15 years of this line of work with a large company, she has never had an unfair dismissal case reach an ET – every single one has settled “Out of Court”.
Apparently over 90% of all such cases end this way.[/quote]
Correct[/quote]
gl, would it not in the end all come down to the insurance on the player?[/quote]
Different issues really.
Insurance may well pay the wages, but having said that the premiums would be so big that I wonder how insured players are.
But the issue remains whether they would stay “on the books” if they are no longer going to play. I’m not sure what the Championship rules are, but in the PL where there is a limit on the size of the squad would any team want someone who is crocked taking a place?
Again though I repeat – I only started my comments about the legal possibilities. Most times it wouldn’t come to that, as ‘agreements’ would be made.
The one thing I am pretty sure of though is that a player who is unable to play would not be paid every week his full wage to the end of his contract while not actually playing or training.
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