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Even with the restraints he may have had, we still had a better squad of players than others that stayed up.
38 wins out of 152 league matches (25% win rate) is petty poor, and ultimately he failed to leave us in a better position than when he came to us.
Cup competitions were normally treated as a hindrance to the bread and butter of the league campaign, but last season eventually it was taken seriously.
We won it, and it is still a terrific thing to look back on, but if we take our rose tinted FA Cup specs off for a minute and think about our finishing league position after four seasons at the helm, then there is no other word but failure to describe his tenure at Wigan Athletic.The point im trying to make “horc” is, could another manager at this club with all the restraints and players coming then being shipped out, have kept us in the Prem as long as RM did?.[/quote]
In all honesty, I think most managers could have kept us there with the resources and more importantly the backing he received from D Whelan.
Worse managers than Martinez have kept clubs there and continue to do so.
Lets face it, after some of the displays and results we had, most managers wouldn’t have lasted long enough to keep us there four years.
At most clubs he would have been sacked long before he jumped shipped.
8 straight defeats, 9-1 defeats, 8-0 defeats, countless 5-0 defeats, managers don’t normally get away with that.In all honesty, I think most managers could have kept us there with the resources and more importantly the backing he received from D Whelan.The backing he received from D Whelan?
He had to reduce the wage bill by 25%!
In all honesty, I think most managers could have kept us there with the resources and more importantly the backing he received from D Whelan.
The backing he received from D Whelan?
He had to reduce the wage bill by 25%![/quote]
That still left him with a budget big enough to keep us in the PL.
The backing I was referring to was more along the lines of ‘I won’t sack him no matter what happens’ which is virtually what DW said.
He may have had a few restraints, but the lack of any pressure from above at all more than made up for that.The same season, Wigan had the lowest turnover and third lowest wage bill, but Martinez still kept them up. That counts as a success.Urrrgh – strewth. What you fail to see is that is not what Bob’s measure of success was!!!!
He never said “I want to make sure this club retains its PL status under a shoestring budget.”
He never said “I want this club to win some major silverware.”
You’ve just adopted those success stories to conveniently justify him being a success.The man came and said he wanted us to stop just surviving and instead become a top 10 Prem club and see us playing in Europe. He didn’t achieve that. Even European qualification came by the most unlikeliest of routes – you can be guaranteed that he was assuming it would be via our league position. So, by Bob’s own targets he failed.
What he did do successfully – and I am hugely grateful for – is completely change the mindset of the fans, players and staff about how football should be considered and played. And you can see that in the way, to a man, we rounded on Coyle, yet immediately taken Uwe in.
We now care about the way we play, not just the results and its been instilled into the fabric of the club, at all levels. For that I applaud Bob.Wigan already had one of the lowest wage bills in the Premier League. If Martinez’ performance was so shocking, then Whelan would have sacked him.
Whelan was asking the impossible of Martinez. That’s why other clubs still came in for him – Aston Villa and Liverpool. Roberto turned them down to stay.
Just for the record, Bruce went 13 league games without a win at Wigan, and he wasn’t sacked either.
The man came and said he wanted us to stop just surviving and instead become a top 10 Prem club and see us playing in Europe. He didn’t achieve that. Even European qualification came by the most unlikeliest of routes – you can be guaranteed that he was assuming it would be via our league position. So, by Bob’s own targets he failed.Oh I see! You think that when Roberto arrived, he should have boldly announced;
“We’ve got one of the lowest wage bills in the Premier League, and we’re going to cut it by 25%.
“We’re going to sell our best players every year, and replace then with bargain buys.
“We’re going to struggle at the foot of the table, but if we all out-perform, we may just stay up.”That would have attracted new players and new fans alike, I’m sure.
Meanwhile, other teams were spending more each year. Southampton, a newly promoted team spent £32,700,000 on transfers in 2012/13 and then £37,500,000 more in 2013/14. How on earth could Wigan and Martinez compete with that?
In all honesty, I think most managers could have kept us there with the resources and more importantly the backing he received from D Whelan.
The backing he received from D Whelan?
He had to reduce the wage bill by 25%![/quote]
That still left him with a budget big enough to keep us in the PL.
The backing I was referring to was more along the lines of ‘I won’t sack him no matter what happens’ which is virtually what DW said.
He may have had a few restraints, but the lack of any pressure from above at all more than made up for that.[/quote]Spot on again Horc. Big Dave was emotionally attached to Roberto, he almost considered him as a son; and that’s what allowed Roberto a far greater degree of “safety” than any other former Wigan Manager. Do you think he would have sacked Roberto if he had stayed and the club hadn’t performed any better than under Coyle. I think not !
Anyway, Roberto knew what the task was and signed up. Yes he did implement many positive aspects to the club and our play, but as you point out his win rate was very poor. At the end of the day he will always be measured on hard results and results speak for themselves: he failed and we got relegated. As I had said in previous posts, Roberto never actually claimed responsibility for any of those losses. He always had an excuse or deflected the issues by saying “there are positives that can be taken from the game”. What did he do with those positives ?
I was criticised for suggesting that he was not very bright, because he never put this learning to use. But maybe it doesn’t matter when you are in a “safe job”.
Legend to Judas in four years.Historically under Kenwright’s reign Everton have always been fairly thrifty when it comes to transfers and the like and so therefore RM has the right credentials…..Or does he ? ……
We’ve passed 400 posts but my target is 500!
It’s not gonna happen Dave because I am closing this mother fucker down ! :P[/quote]
You’re barking up the wrong tree Phil.It’s not Dave. His writing style is completely different.
We’ve passed 400 posts but my target is 500!
It’s not gonna happen Dave because I am closing this mother fucker down ! :P[/quote]
You’re barking up the wrong tree Phil.It’s not Dave. His writing style is completely different.[/quote]
I know Jonny ! ha ha ha ! Just messing !
I know Jonny ! ha ha ha ! Just messing !Don’t mess with me, Phil!
We’re already past 430. We can reach 500 before Christmas!
ha ha wrong again.
long range
All hail the Master Of The Multi ! :)[/quote]
careful, I’ll set newpremboy on to you ok then right lad.
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