Martinez again – clueless

Hindley Blue – you took the words right out of my mouth.
If the Duke thinks “its brilliant we’re playing good football at last” then he’s been watching a completely different Wigan Athletic to the one I’ve seen for the vast majority of the season

As for Bobby, I’ve been willing him to be good. I’ve been willing him to learn from his mistakes, but all I see is:
Poor formations, poor tactics, sub-standard signings, a total inability to learn from his mistakes, players playing out of position, players who have proved themselves time & time again becoming woeful overnight and the same tired excuses match after match after poor performances.
I had to laugh when I heard Bobby’s post match comments that “we weren’t ourselves in the first half last night” but when you consider Latics haven’t scored in 14 of 21 games in teh first half I’d say we’d been playing pretty much exactly to standard in the first half.
The stand out players this season (Rodallega & N’Zogbia) are other managers signings, the only 2 on top of them that other clubs are after (Figueroa & Scharner) are other manager’s signings so I don’t buy the “he’s having to cope with the mess he was left with” garbage some of his defenders come out with

There has been the odd spark that the team is capable of somet more but so far they are proving to be mere flashes in the pan in amongst a sea of mediocre & sub-standard performances

As someone else has pointed out earlier in the thread it seems to be the vast majority of his defenders are driven by senitment due to his “legend” status & are letting it blind them to his failings & quite why one poster is defending him by saying how shit Bruce has been at Sunderland i don’t know

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We have played some decent football when in possession but football is about far more than what you do when you have the ball & I’m sorry but when we aren’t in possession the stuff served up by Martinez has for the most part been complete & total $h!te.

We give the opposition far too much time & space on the ball, there’s no closing down & a defence that was one of the most watertight in the division is now leaking goals for fun. That has got absolutley feck all to do with players being used to playing “long ball” football
Bobby has turned formally good defenders into ones that look like rabbits trapped in headlights. The same players who didn’t need clearing out before he took over now look dyer
His signings, so far have been poor (its too early to judge McCarthy & Caldwell) with the exception (IMO) of Diame so if he does do this clearout you say we need in order to get us playing this fantastic brand of football Bobby wants then I dread to think who he is going to bring in

“the reason it hasn’t worked all the time is that we don’t have the players to play the system.” – ?????? :lol: :lol: That is an unbelievable statement. If we don’t have the players to play Bobby’s system then why the feckin hell has he insisted on playing exactly the same way week after week??? It was clear very early on that we don’t have the type of players to play it out from the back (although the ones he’s brought in don’t look capable either) so any manager worth his salt would have said at the end of the last transfer window “These players can’t play the way I ultimately want to see latics play so until I get the chance to bring in some more of my own blood during the next transfer window I need to get them playing in a way that suits them”
What he’s done has bloody mindedly stick to the same turgid 4-5-1 with players out of position almost everywhere on the field & its costing latics game after game

Also, any manager that either a) lets Paul Scharner convince him that he is a midfielder or b) actually believed it himself (prior to Scharner shooting his gob off in the press) has to be questionned. It was one of the earliest & best decisions Bruce made brining him back to centre half. IMO Bobby showed himself to be a very weak manager when he decided to push him upfield days after he’d been in the press saying his best position was midfield & that’s where he wanted to play

“YOU GUYS ARE CLUELESS”

for christs sake watch the game tomorrow please and see how many times we knock long balls-the only difference with bruce he knocked it up the middle,now we knock it diagonal in the hope it drops lucky to rodellega or nzogbia or not straight into touch as happens at least 4 or 5 times every game,bruce or martinez its still long ball rubbish.

and “you evidently haven’t been watching us much this season” either if you think that the rubbish served up this season by the ‘spanish one’ is good football.

for christs sake take your blinkers off –
as i said before look how many times we knock the ball long-usually bramble or figueroa and usually to a opposition full back or straight into touch or every now and again to figgs or zog.

its still long ball crap

We’re not long-ball Loudmouth. Yes there are stray diagonal passes, but I’d put good money on the fact that if you compare the number per game now to a match played under Bruce, you’d see a big difference.

Have a look a link below.

We have the ninth best passes completed figure – beaten only by ‘the big four’, Spurs, City, Fulham and West Ham. That doesn’t sound like a long-ball team to me.

Then look who have the lowest totals: Stoke, Sunderland and Bolton.
That tells a story.

Also interesting to see that Thomas is the top tackler, and N’Zogbia the top ‘dribbler’.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, … 70,00.html

cattermole instigated his own move with help from the whispering elephant man, myself i would have sat him in the reserves till his contract was up

No problems Duke.