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Excellent post Scholes, more or less wraps it up in a nut shell.
The problems is, there will be some on here who will spend hours dissecting your post and pick out bits to respond in a negative manner.
I just like the DS on here have ripped performances to shreds coming home in the car after a match. However, after having a bit of summat to eat a shower and a shyte, its all history and the focus is on the next game. I walk to the ground on the following match day like most other fans, wondering what team is going to turn up hoping for a decent display and 3 nurps. This is what football is all about, it must be fekin boring for example being a Celtic and Rangers fan who have only the old firm derbies to look forward to every season.
Every fan has the right to voice their opinion on their clubs performances, manager, team, chairman, tea lady etc. but the stuff that comes out on here day after day makes me cringe. OK there will be a few chubster fans amongst them playing devils advocate, but there are fans that have followed the tics for 30 years and more churning out these constant tirades FFS. :angry:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!
I’ve made a point of taking my kids since they could walk and to grow up as you say supporting your local team just as i have done since the northern prem days.
My youngest said the other day ;-I don’t like going latic’s no more dad, Martinez is crap !! ,
just to point out , he never mentioned the players ,its black n white to kids no 3-5-2 5-3-2 etc,,,
I’m a latic’s fan , period , but i’m sorry to say Martinez has slowly but surely been found out. He’s in the 16ft 6″ when he should be in the kid’s paddling area with arm bands on.He remind’s of a stubborn old man who want’s to prove he’s right no matter what.as me old man use to say
“you can’t paint a turd !, it will always smell”.Your post bears no resemblence whatsoever to mine,it is purely an exercise in name calling because you cannot accept my point of view.
It’s not about who’s right or who is better – I am simply putting forward an opinion as to what is better for Wigan Athletic.
To keep it simple so that you dont end up going completely off track, I’ll just ask you one question:
What constructive benefit do Wigan Athletic get from people like you coming on here and continually slagging the manager off?
About the same benefit as we get from you sticking up for him.[/quote]
I am not a frequent poster on here. Like many others, I was a regular at one stage but got tired of reading the same old drivel day after day from bedroom football managers seeking to discredit Wigan Athletic at very turn.I don’t stick up for him, I stick up for the club.If he’s sacked tomorrow I’ll back the next man.You’ll probably still be moaning if there’s no improvement.I didnt get into watching Wigan Athletic to demand success, I got into them because they are my local team & they need my support.
I am a mere fan of 30+ years who supports his team. I do not pretend to know what goes on behind closed doors or start crackpot theories about our “clueless clown” of a manager. I very much doubt he has time to read this website but if he does then do you really think he looks & thinks “you know what they’ve got a point there, maybe i should play 442 or make a different substitution, all those coaching badges, all those years playing professional football & clearly i know nothing compared to the many experts on cockney latic who spend all day calling me a clown or a spanish waiter & have an in depth knowledge of tactics,how football transfers work,training regimes & contract negotiations.”
Have you any idea how ridiculous you look?
What is the point in it all? It benefits noone, it’s waste of effort, unless youre getting some kind of inner smugness from it as the opening poster implies & are attention seeking ‘ooh look at me i was right all along’ & revelling in the demise of Wigan Athletic.[/quote]
Scholes I’ve watched Wigan for longer than you and for all that time I’ve had a season ticket. I wouldn’t even like to know how much time and money I’ve spent watching the Tics. So to suggest I’m enjoying watching Bob ruin our club is well to be honest unbelievable. But I’m not prepared to stick my head in the sand and pretend everything is honky dorey. IMO with Bob in charge were in real danger of going back from were we came from and without much of a fight and that I’m afraid is unacceptable.
I’ve made a point of taking my kids since they could walk and to grow up as you say supporting your local team just as i have done since the northern prem days.
My youngest said the other day ;-I don’t like going latic’s no more dad, Martinez is crap !! ,
just to point out , he never mentioned the players ,its black n white to kids no 3-5-2 5-3-2 etc,,,
I’m a latic’s fan , period , but i’m sorry to say Martinez has slowly but surely been found out. He’s in the 16ft 6″ when he should be in the kid’s paddling area with arm bands on.He remind’s of a stubborn old man who want’s to prove he’s right no matter what.as me old man use to say
“you can’t paint a turd !, it will always smell”.Good post that, I have 4 nephews and they just don’t want to go now. At first they were buzzing but now because we get beat every week not interested. A young kid is not bothered about stats or 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 they just want to see the team win. After all I actually thought that was the point.
Silly me.
I’ve made a point of taking my kids since they could walk and to grow up as you say supporting your local team just as i have done since the northern prem days.
My youngest said the other day ;-I don’t like going latic’s no more dad, Martinez is crap !! ,
just to point out , he never mentioned the players ,its black n white to kids no 3-5-2 5-3-2 etc,,,
I’m a latic’s fan , period , but i’m sorry to say Martinez has slowly but surely been found out. He’s in the 16ft 6″ when he should be in the kid’s paddling area with arm bands on.He remind’s of a stubborn old man who want’s to prove he’s right no matter what.as me old man use to say
“you can’t paint a turd !, it will always smell”.Serious question Bing – how old is your youngest?
If he/she is (let’s say) under sixteen, it’s highly unlikely that he/she has formed an opinion about the manager by themselves. If the team keep losing, they’ll say the players are crap – not the manager.
If they say the manager is crap, they’ve have got that from someone else.
Yes, Martinez was thrown in the deep end and is still on a learning curve, but the question has always been:
Who could we have appointed considering the financial constraints, the low attendances, and the relative stature of the club in comparison to others in the area?
Or in layman’s terms: Which other mug would have wanted the job?
I’ve made a point of taking my kids since they could walk and to grow up as you say supporting your local team just as i have done since the northern prem days.
My youngest said the other day ;-I don’t like going latic’s no more dad, Martinez is crap !! ,
just to point out , he never mentioned the players ,its black n white to kids no 3-5-2 5-3-2 etc,,,
I’m a latic’s fan , period , but i’m sorry to say Martinez has slowly but surely been found out. He’s in the 16ft 6″ when he should be in the kid’s paddling area with arm bands on.He remind’s of a stubborn old man who want’s to prove he’s right no matter what.as me old man use to say
“you can’t paint a turd !, it will always smell”.Good post that, I have 4 nephews and they just don’t want to go now. At first they were buzzing but now because we get beat every week not interested. A young kid is not bothered about stats or 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 they just want to see the team win. After all I actually thought that was the point.
Silly me.[/quote]
Calling ths manager a turd, a good post? Well done, big up, you!
And it’s a good job your kids weren’t around watching Wigan when things were really bad then. If your kids want their team to win all the time, I suggest you take them watching United or City then. You may as well, cos you clearly haven’t taught them what supporting your team really means.
One of many reason’s he came to the decision that in his eye’s “Martinez is crap” is ,;-
He was glad Hugo was stopping at Latic’s a big fan by alot of young latic’s fans but he couldn’t understand , like many, why Hugo and Diame were on the bench against Everton.I personally disagree as Hugo’s form hasn’t been the best but there you go , what do i know :blink:
Bob then decide’s to do another papaer artical Monday and says ;-
“Hugo’s goal’s will keep us up”, not from the bench they won’t.
Martinez’s decision making is baffling the young as well as us old timer’s.
I then tried to defend Martinez in some way and said ” It take’s time to get a team play the way you want them and to get into winning ways “,
(his reply left me stumpted)“What about O’Neill ? , Martinez is crap dad”.
like i said ,kids see it as it is no in depth discussion’s it’s black n white.
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Calling ths manager a turd, a good post? Well done, big up, you!
And it’s a good job your kids weren’t around watching Wigan when things were really bad then. If your kids want their team to win all the time, I suggest you take them watching United or City then. You may as well, cos you clearly haven’t taught them what supporting your team really means.[/quote]
Who said my kid’s want us to win all the time ,? you ? i never mentioned that.
I have reluctantly defended Martinez in front of him as kids pick up on vibes from parents as we know.As for teaching them how to support a club ? you don’t know me or my kid’s so how do you come to that conclusion ?.
paint a turd ? it means , were a pile of shiite at the moment no matter how you try to hide it, i.e paint it.I’ve made a point of taking my kids since they could walk and to grow up as you say supporting your local team just as i have done since the northern prem days.
My youngest said the other day ;-I don’t like going latic’s no more dad, Martinez is crap !! ,
just to point out , he never mentioned the players ,its black n white to kids no 3-5-2 5-3-2 etc,,,
I’m a latic’s fan , period , but i’m sorry to say Martinez has slowly but surely been found out. He’s in the 16ft 6″ when he should be in the kid’s paddling area with arm bands on.He remind’s of a stubborn old man who want’s to prove he’s right no matter what.as me old man use to say
“you can’t paint a turd !, it will always smell”.You never responded when asked how old your kids are, this is key in establishing why they have come out with that remark. I come home from games and if my grand kids are in they will hear me moaning to the missus if we’ve been crap, kids easily pick up the vibes. Sometimes my grandson who’s not quite 3 yet will shout rubbish, rubbish, when I walk in from a game with my Latics scarf and bob cap on, as the missus as already told him we’ve lost. Your kid will no doubt have listened to you and others when chatting about the match before and after KO. If your kid is hearing these comments about Martinez they will respond similarly. They also want to see their team win its natural. I would argue that its nothing to do with understanding the formation and tactics but just what on the score board in big orange lights. Think about when we were kids, I had a different teams top on every 12 months depending on who was top of the league, its very, very easy supporting a winning team.
If your kids are a bit older and fully understand the whole tactics thing, then they may be at that age when there’s better things for them to be doing than watching a losing team every Saturday, if you know what I mean. ;).From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Calling ths manager a turd, a good post? Well done, big up, you!
And it’s a good job your kids weren’t around watching Wigan when things were really bad then. If your kids want their team to win all the time, I suggest you take them watching United or City then. You may as well, cos you clearly haven’t taught them what supporting your team really means.[/quote]
Who said my kid’s want us to win all the time ,? you ? i never mentioned that.
I have reluctantly defended Martinez in front of him as kids pick up on vibes from parents as we know.As for teaching them how to support a club ? you don’t know me or my kid’s so how do you come to that conclusion ?.
paint a turd ? it means , were a pile of shiite at the moment no matter how you try to hide it, i.e paint it.[/quote]Wind your neck in, I wasn’t even replying to you.
And please don’t insult my intelligence by thinking I am sufficiently thick as to require your childish name-calling to be explained.
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regardin size of our crowds
this keeps on popping up regularly ,its obvious people wont pay to watch shyte
you keep selling you’re best players untill you end up with garbage
record breaking crowds first two seasons in prem,then the DW sales start fans have enough
crowds drop
says it all really
maybe if the lightsiders asked those who dont go why they dont anymore it would help explain why we are in declineregardin size of our crowds
this keeps on popping up regularly ,its obvious people wont pay to watch shyte
you keep selling you’re best players untill you end up with garbage
record breaking crowds first two seasons in prem,then the DW sales start fans have enough
crowds drop
says it all really
maybe if the lightsiders asked those who dont go why they dont anymore it would help explain why we are in declineJust to correct you there, people pay to watch success, the quality of football played to obtain the success is a different question, which we did to death with the Bruce era.
regardin size of our crowds
this keeps on popping up regularly ,its obvious people wont pay to watch shyte
you keep selling you’re best players untill you end up with garbage
record breaking crowds first two seasons in prem,then the DW sales start fans have enough
crowds drop
says it all really
maybe if the lightsiders asked those who dont go why they dont anymore it would help explain why we are in declineBicky, the reason why the club sells the best players has been talked about on here for the past six years. I’ll take it that you are on a bit of wind up again because seriously, you cannot still believe it’s done for profiteering by the Chairman or the club?
The crowds dropped after the first season because the novelty wore off, and season ticket prices were increased – albeit so that they were still by far the cheapest in the league.
The club could have tried to keep all its best players over the years, and filled the stadium, but the extra season ticket sales wouldn’t even have paid for a half decent Premier League player’s signing on fee and salary.
On the whole, it’s got nothing to do with poor quality football or the club selling the best players. It’s the same reason why in a Carling Cup semi final against Arsenal there was a half filled stadium, and why when the Warriors play Leeds in a play-off there are more empty seats than there are filled ones: money. Wiganners are not keen to part with it, and they will use any other reason as justification not to attend games.
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