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  • #195773
    PhoenixPhoenix
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      Pointless trophy ? was you there 1985 or in 1999 ?, I dont remember those who went then saying “This is pointless” and I don’t remember were we finished in the League those years. That’s the problem with some Latics fans its not big enough winning the EFL Trophy no more they’ve been spoilt.

      I watched a Rotherham side take their semi final deadly serious fielding a very strong side (barring injuries) for a long trip up north. Rotherham have only 1 fit forward in Smith so what does Warne do ?, he plays him for the full 90 and he he repays him by scoring twice which in turn helps them through to a Wembley final.

      Warne talked after the match about how important the win was to the club getting to the Final for the players and their families , the club, the fans and they would be looking forward to a very special day out, a day they’ll never forget. Some of these players might never get the chance to play at Wembley and you call it a “pointless final” sore loser statement that pal. to you it might be a worthless trophy but its not to the players of Sutton and Rotherham and the main thing for me all kids and memories, a day they will never forget and hopefully cement them as a future supporter.

      They then interviewed the Rotherham keeper and Smith who were both over the moon having the chance to play at Wembley in a Final. Richardson chose not to include certain players so they can rest and that’s fine that was his decision, in the end he got it wrong, Warne didn’t. As a manager Warne gambled and it duly paid of.

      The differences there is ,
      Richardson is coach and a good one but Warne’s is a manager making key decisions and getting them right when it counts. We started with a guy up front who is simply not good enough but Richardson insist he plays most weeks. How many other managers would persist the way we have with a guy who turns our side into 10 men ? not many.

      I’ve a feeling any good manager would drop him for sure. Had Lang and Humphrys been on the bench Tuesday I’m sure with 20 to go them coming on would have won that game. Lets say we had of gone 2 goals up then simply don’t use them but to not include them in the squad in a semi final ? that’s the decision of an coach not a manager.

      Never forget, the greatest day in this club history was in cups not winning a League titles. Some of my greatest memories are cup games going back to Chelsea away, Leeds, Coventry, Liverpool, Everton, and the wins Brentford, Millwall last minute job even Norwich at home when they were top of the old League One and of course City.
      I remember Jewell saying some time after the Carling final back in 2006 that he picked the wrong side and he regrets it to this day and I feel Richardson has done the same.
      I was fully onboard with Richardson not fielding first teamers throughout the cup but this was a semi final 90 minutes from Wembley and even better, no extra half hour.

      Me?, he got it wrong, oh so wrong and that’s my concern. He has the players to have won the EFL Trophy and to get promoted but he doesn’t seem to make those crucial decisions when needed, Coach yes, manager no.
      Remember Warren Joyce ?, good coach sh*t manager. He’s now at Forest U18 and doing well with the kids but as a manager was utter clueless.

      Remember Warren Joyce ? I remember some fans pathetically christening him ‘ Youtha’ before he put a foot through the door, he was never given a chance . As for Rotherham ,yes they put their best players on second half ,but so did we ,we had a very strong team out second half and had it gone to extra time I am sure we would have won,we lost on penalties on another day we win and Rotherham lose that’s the lottery of a penalty shoot out. Finally , remembering Cup final winners ,we know Sunderland won the Papa Johns last year ,but who won it the year before ?,and the year before that ?…. no cheating !

      #195777
      cup winnerscup winners
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        Oh my God….comparing Richardson to Joyce!!

        Like I said, some fans are clowns

        And you are one big red shoe’d red nose custard pie lobbin CoCo for not reading properly ask your missus were’s your specs,
        my point is
        Some managers are coaches not managers. They can drill a team well on the training pitch then feed the info back to the manager who then decides the tactics and player selection.

        Now skeggy if you took the time to read this you numpt you will see I said Joyce wasn’t manager the same as I think Richardson isn’t, now of you wanna put 2 n 2 together and get 457 then do so or learn how to read.

        Richardson more than once made it clear some while back he didn’t really want the job of a manager he preferred the role of a coach. If you asked Mourinho to take a coaching session the players would laugh him off the grass but as a manger ?

        My whole point is, horses for courses, now I hope you can make sense of the above. If you want to fill the gaps in yourself with some fantasy made up stuff then carry on ,,,,,fill your big red boots honk honk away

        #195778
        cup winnerscup winners
        Player

          Remember Warren Joyce ? I remember some fans pathetically christening him ‘ Youtha’ before he put a foot through the door, he was never given a chance . As for Rotherham ,yes they put their best players on second half ,but so did we ,we had a very strong team out second half and had it gone to extra time I am sure we would have won,we lost on penalties on another day we win and Rotherham lose that’s the lottery of a penalty shoot out. Finally , remembering Cup final winners ,we know Sunderland won the Papa Johns last year ,but who won it the year before ?,and the year before that ?…. no cheating !

          Ask Sunderland fans the kids and players was it a experience they’ll never forget or were they totally p*ssed off they never went up and winning it cost them promotion ?.
          I can see our team of 2013 dwelling on the 4-1 loss at Arsenal and tainting the cup winning medals put away in a vault in shame because they never stopped up. It’s the occasion every fan and club wants and a trophy not the “Well we could have stopped up”

          #195779
          PhoenixPhoenix
          Player

            100% the answer to that is that Sunderland fans were more pissed off that they did not get promoted. You can’t compare the FA Cup with the Papa Johns Trophy.I would not swap the FA Cup win for Premiership survival ,I don’t think any Latics fan would but I would certainly swap the Papa Johns for promotion .

            #195783
            MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
            Player

              Cup winners post one of the best I’ve ever read. Totally my sentiments. Couldn’t agree more comparison Warnes selection bravery versus Richardson’s wishful one. My 4 grandkids were so looking forward to a trip to Wembley……yes we know there no guarantees in football but that selection massively reduced our hopes……Mark my words the players will be deflated cos they’d have been desperate to step out at our national stadium. Now he’s going to have to lift them for Saturday. Don’t think Warne will have the same task. Heard a lot of bollocks about it having a negative affect on their promotion run in..what a pile of shit..Totally the opposite… Those aches,niggling pains will be erased by the euphoria and anticipation. Mk aren’t this unbeatable team…..yes dangerous but if we’d won I still feel we’d go there in a better frame of mind. Richardson has done fantastic this season but certainly has an achilles heel with loyalty to some players who continually put in dire performances and his safety, safety approach to Tuesday. Maybe he inherited that from Cook. How many away games did he play without a recognised striker…..failing miserably….something like 22 away games without a win…..but still carried on…..then played Fortune on his own at home a striker who averaged a goal every 10 games. Their stubborness is absolutely frustrating and Tuesday was a huge opportunity to create a club feel good factor prior to our final promotion push…….and he shanked it.

              #195784
              skeggyskeggy
              Player

                Haha you really are deluded cup winners.

                I will repeat again that our “non wanting” manager deserved manager of the year for keeping us up last season and currently has it in our own hands to be League One champions this season.

                Granted at the start of his reign he was reluctant to take on the roll and had Cooky gotten a job immediately I’m sure he would have moved on. But when Cook got the Ipswich job he declined to move on. That doesn’t seem like the actions of a manager who wants to be an assistant or a coach

                #195785
                MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
                Player

                  This is about his Tuesday decision making…..and he bolloxed it.

                  #195788
                  PhoenixPhoenix
                  Player

                    Latics lose on penalties, Richardson bolloxed it.
                    Rotherham win on penalties , Warnes selection bravery.

                    You could not make it up !

                    #195789
                    MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
                    Player

                      Warnes selection showed a desire to get to Wembley. That fact that the lump up front and Massey started including wholesale changes was an immediate alarm bell……and so it proved. Wembley for leagues 1 and 2 teams is a big deal to the players,owners supporters…..well most of us. As a previous poster said “live for today “…Saturdays another game.

                      #195791
                      The EggThe Egg
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                        Our fans are great

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