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Irrespective of the league he played in you would only know if he was good enough for the step up by watching him play.
I personally didnt see him play at all last season however the Northampton fans think he will play for England one day.
Its a glowing reference from people in the know who have no reason to lie as he is not an asset of their own club.
He put in a man of the match performance for them at wembley producing a string of saves and saving a penalty all at the tender age of 20!!!
We need to give our best youngsters chances or how are we to expect them to develop into top players…
I completely agree with the first & last paragraphs & about his performance in the play off final. I’d love to see him given a chance
My point was that playing well in league 2 does not prove he is good enough for the championship. Whilst I have no doubt that the Northampton fans were genuine in their praise of him with all due respect they haven’t seen their club play at that level for a long, long time & may not be best qualified to say whether he is good enough. I remember seeing Keith Gillespie at Latics & thinking he was gonna be better than Ryan Giggs & would have a long & glittering career at the top level but he didn’t. Graeme Jones in 96/97 looked like he could play at least at championship level but he struggled when Latics got promoted (even before his injuries). There are many moreSo IMO Nicholls hasn’t proved he is good enough at this level although I hope to find out this season whether he is
No you’re not, but you’re alluding to that – unless you are being particularly pernickety just for the sake of it!
Aidy Boothroyd who managed Ben Foster at Watford said of him: “I genuinely think Lee is as good as Ben Foster. He was outstanding,”
To back this up, I speak to a Northampton fan through work, and he claims Nicholls is the best keeper he’s ever seen at that level and we’ll be lucky to keep hold of him.
At the very least, he’s well worth having at a back-up keeper in the Championship in my opinion.
I’m not alluding to it at all. I have seen nowhere near enough of him to have an opinion as to whether he is good enough at Championship level
I’ve seen him play in the flesh once for Latics reserves against Liverpool in 11/12 & he was awful. I saw bits if Northampton’s play off games last season & he played really well in all of them
Nor am I being pernickety I just fail to see how playing well in League 2 proves in any way shape or form that a player is good enough for the Championship. I’ve already explained how I rate the Northampton fans opinions. Aidy Boothroyd’s comments carry far more weight but still even though he has seen him at close quarters for the best part of a season he doesn’t “know” he is as good as Ben Foster until he makes that step up
It’s a chicken & the egg situation. We won’t know till he does step up. I hope to see him do that it’s just he hasn’t proved anything about his ability at this level yet vtgat’s not being pernickety it’s factKeep Ali, keep Lee Nicholls (who I think should be given his head this season) and that is a good enough keeper line-up for the Championship.We have much better areas in the team to be spending £400k in my view, unless the club knows something we don’t about Ali and/or Nicholls.
Are you volunteering to give him his head Griff ! :)
The fact in this subject is that he ISN’T proven at this level.
My personal opinion is that he should be given the chance. I was on the Northampton boards checking him last season and glowing references just doesn’t cover the superlatives he was getting. If we sign Scott Carson then great but if not i want Nicholls in the nets and i am hoping Ali gets snapped up by Slumberland because he was badly found out last season.
I’m not alluding to it at all. I have seen nowhere near enough of him to have an opinion as to whether he is good enough at Championship level
I’ve seen him play in the flesh once for Latics reserves against Liverpool in 11/12 & he was awful. I saw bits if Northampton’s play off games last season & he played really well in all of them
Nor am I being pernickety I just fail to see how playing well in League 2 proves in any way shape or form that a player is good enough for the Championship. I’ve already explained how I rate the Northampton fans opinions. Aidy Boothroyd’s comments carry far more weight but still even though he has seen him at close quarters for the best part of a season he doesn’t “know” he is as good as Ben Foster until he makes that step up
It’s a chicken & the egg situation. We won’t know till he does step up. I hope to see him do that it’s just he hasn’t proved anything about his ability at this level yet vtgat’s not being pernickety it’s factIf you’re not alluding to Nicholls being below standard for the Championship, then of course you’re being pernickety:
You are correct in saying Jay’s statement that Nicholl’s has proven he’s good enough for the Championship is not factually correct, but, you are just picking up on the word ‘proven’ – as it isn’t proven, it’s Jay’s opinion.
And likewise, Aidy Boothroyd doesn’t ‘know’ Nicholls is better than Foster – it’s merely his opinion.
If that’s not being pernickety, I don’t know what is!
In my opinion, I think Nicholls will be more than good enough for that level based on the standard of some of the goalkeepers already playing for clubs in the Championship.
The very fact that Coyle is looking into bringing Carson to the club gives you your answer regarding the young lad Nicholls !
The very fact that Coyle is looking into bringing Carson to the club gives you your answer regarding the young lad Nicholls !To carry on the pernickety theme…. It’s a rumour Phil, not fact!
The very fact that Coyle is looking into bringing Carson to the club gives you your answer regarding the young lad Nicholls !
To carry on the pernickety theme…. It’s a rumour Phil, not fact![/quote]
He will be ! No smoke without fire ! ;)
If you’re not alluding to Nicholls being below standard for the Championship, then of course you’re being pernickety:You are correct in saying Jay’s statement that Nicholl’s has proven he’s good enough for the Championship is not factually correct, but, you are just picking up on the word ‘proven’ – as it isn’t proven, it’s Jay’s opinion.
And likewise, Aidy Boothroyd doesn’t ‘know’ Nicholls is better than Foster – it’s merely his opinion.
If that’s not being pernickety, I don’t know what is!
In my opinion, I think Nicholls will be more than good enough for that level based on the standard of some of the goalkeepers already playing for clubs in the Championship.
Bloody hell you seem to have a very low pernickety threshold if you think my original post falls into that category
Of course I picked up on jayt saying he’d “proved” he was good enough coz the whole statement revolves around that word. To be honest I think if he’d also said “I think that he’s shown he could play at this level” though I’d still have the same opinion. The point is that he played in league 2, & did very well, but that level is a world away from the Championship. Doing well at that level means he’s shown he’s good enough for that level at the very least.
There’s a difference in Aidy Boothroyd saying that he “genuinely thinks Lee is as good as he (Foster) is” which is what he actually said, & him saying “Lee has shown he’s as good as Ben Foster”The pernickety part of this thread is you accusing me of being pernickety coz I asked how Lee Nicholls has proved he is good enough for the Championship. Based on the post I originally commented on it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask – moving on, personally some Northampton fans saying he could play for England one day isn’t the kind of evidence I need to prove anything!!
With your opinion of Lee Nicholls, I’d ask how much you know of Championship goalkeepers & how you’ve arrived at the opinion that a keeper you’ve never seen play at this level is better than them (or as good as)? Not saying I agree or disagree with you but the fact of the matter is that none of us have seen enough of Nicholls to know – I’d like to see him given a chance next season but I’ve no idea whether he’ll live up to the challenge if he was
My personal view is that this isn’t the season to take a risk. Only my opinion – but he shouldn’t play in league matches for us.
Europa, FA and League Cup – give him a go.
League 2 to the Championship is too risky and we can’t afford to take the risk
If you’re not alluding to Nicholls being below standard for the Championship, then of course you’re being pernickety:
You are correct in saying Jay’s statement that Nicholl’s has proven he’s good enough for the Championship is not factually correct, but, you are just picking up on the word ‘proven’ – as it isn’t proven, it’s Jay’s opinion.
And likewise, Aidy Boothroyd doesn’t ‘know’ Nicholls is better than Foster – it’s merely his opinion.
If that’s not being pernickety, I don’t know what is!
In my opinion, I think Nicholls will be more than good enough for that level based on the standard of some of the goalkeepers already playing for clubs in the Championship.
Bloody hell you seem to have a very low pernickety threshold if you think my original post falls into that category
Of course I picked up on jayt saying he’d “proved” he was good enough coz the whole statement revolves around that word. To be honest I think if he’d also said “I think that he’s shown he could play at this level” though I’d still have the same opinion. The point is that he played in league 2, & did very well, but that level is a world away from the Championship. Doing well at that level means he’s shown he’s good enough for that level at the very least.
There’s a difference in Aidy Boothroyd saying that he “genuinely thinks Lee is as good as he (Foster) is” which is what he actually said, & him saying “Lee has shown he’s as good as Ben Foster”The pernickety part of this thread is you accusing me of being pernickety coz I asked how Lee Nicholls has proved he is good enough for the Championship. Based on the post I originally commented on it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask – moving on, personally some Northampton fans saying he could play for England one day isn’t the kind of evidence I need to prove anything!!
With your opinion of Lee Nicholls, I’d ask how much you know of Championship goalkeepers & how you’ve arrived at the opinion that a keeper you’ve never seen play at this level is better than them (or as good as)? Not saying I agree or disagree with you but the fact of the matter is that none of us have seen enough of Nicholls to know – I’d like to see him given a chance next season but I’ve no idea whether he’ll live up to the challenge if he was[/quote]
And you wonder why I cant be arsed taking you on nowadays :silly:
Bloody hell you seem to have a very low pernickety threshold if you think my original post falls into that category
Of course I picked up on jayt saying he’d “proved” he was good enough coz the whole statement revolves around that word. To be honest I think if he’d also said “I think that he’s shown he could play at this level” though I’d still have the same opinion. The point is that he played in league 2, & did very well, but that level is a world away from the Championship. Doing well at that level means he’s shown he’s good enough for that level at the very least.
There’s a difference in Aidy Boothroyd saying that he “genuinely thinks Lee is as good as he (Foster) is” which is what he actually said, & him saying “Lee has shown he’s as good as Ben Foster”The pernickety part of this thread is you accusing me of being pernickety coz I asked how Lee Nicholls has proved he is good enough for the Championship. Based on the post I originally commented on it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask – moving on, personally some Northampton fans saying he could play for England one day isn’t the kind of evidence I need to prove anything!!
With your opinion of Lee Nicholls, I’d ask how much you know of Championship goalkeepers & how you’ve arrived at the opinion that a keeper you’ve never seen play at this level is better than them (or as good as)? Not saying I agree or disagree with you but the fact of the matter is that none of us have seen enough of Nicholls to know – I’d like to see him given a chance next season but I’ve no idea whether he’ll live up to the challenge if he was
It’s not a case of a ‘low pernickety threshold’, it’s a case of picking up on a bit of ‘au contraire’.
No, I haven’t seen much of Nicholls play since he left the Development Squad, in fact, I think I’ve seen him play once in past twelve months. But, I don’t have to see him play to form an opinion on whether I think he’ll be good enough because I’m not a scout or professional football coach – so even I watched him, what the feck would I know?
I’m basing my opinion on what other people have said about him: supporters, the press, and a highly experienced manager – who’d I’d guess knows an awful lot more about judging a player’s ability than you or I. If I saw him play I might think he was crap – like you did when you saw him playing for the Development Squad after which you also wrote off McManaman.
I’d rather base my opinion on what people employed in the game think than trusting my own poor eyesight.
As for Championship goalkeepers, no I’m not an expert. I do know Maik Taylor is still on the books and getting games with Millwall and Neil Sullivan’s (who’s 43) is getting a game with Doncaster. Aside from that, most of the clubs have an inexperienced keeper as back-up, and in a couple of cases, their first choice keeper has little or no experience at Championship level. So I maintain, in my opinion that, Nicholls could do a decent job in the Championship.
So it wouldn’t matter if you (or I) had seem him play coz what do you know but you form am opinion based on the views of Northampton Town fans & some local & tabloid journalists coz they know so much more??? I’m confused
Neil Sullivan & Maik Taylor get games (I assume) because they have proved they are still capable of playing at that level by doing it week in, week out at that level. Lee Nicholls has not
Have to correct you on a factual error though – I’ve only seen 1 Latics reserve game in my life & that was the 5-1 away defeat to Liverpool back in Nov/Dec 2011. I didn’t write off anyone after that game other than to say virtually all of em played very poorly including Rodallega & Van Aanholt or whatever his name was. I think I said about Nicholls that he’d been awful which he was but that he wasn’t the only one. ANYWAY I never wrote off NcManaman after the game coz he didn’t play as I think he was on loan at Blackpool at the time – I do actually like to at least see someone play once before writing them off!!!
And if I remember rightly I did say that the centre half Rob Kiernan looked quite handy but he’d got injuredBack to Nicholls I’m not saying I disagree with anyone that says they think he should be given a go. If Al Habsi is gonna miss the start of the season if I was Coyle I would go with Pollitt & Nicholls & be happy with it. I just (initially) said there Is no way that his performances at northampton have “proved” he is good enough for the championship
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