Please read the first 8 words of my post very carefully and slowly. If there is anyone guilty of being premature with their eulogies, look no further than the reflection in your monitor pal. :roll:
may i suggest you get hold of a dictionary and look up the word ‘eulogy’ and read what it says “very carefully and slowly”
you then may see that i havent ‘eulogized’ either prematurely or in any other area past or present tense.
you then may see that i havent ‘eulogized’ either prematurely or in any other area past or present :shock: :shock: :shock:
i wondered how long it would take the stupid one from dumb and dumber to turn up.
you keep clicking on those smilie things – all those buttons with letters on the keyboard will give you a headache.
I think there is a simple answer to this question posed by LMB.
If you’re looking short term, then yes, you should fire your manager mid-season. If you are looking long term and feel your manager is right for your development, then no, you do not fire him mid-season.
Dave Whelan pinned his colours to the Martinez mast as soon as he appointed him, and he clearly feels the man is the right choice for the club’s future.
Lets hope that if we do stay up ALL the darkside fans on here hold their hand up and say a big
Well done Bobby!!
That would depend on what your ambition for the club is.All Martinez will have done this season is not get relegated, that isn’t as good as the comfortable mid table positions we had for a season under Jewell and Bruce.
I will praise a manager at a season’s end if he has made some form of progress on the previous season.
So if Latics stay up & in the process get more points & have a better goal difference than last season then Bobby will have made progress & he deserves credit for it – its also only my opinion but I do think that by & large the level of performances (if not results) have improved since February so I’ll credit him with that too.
I don’t think that long term he’s the right man for the job nor do I subscribe to his belief that if we stay up this season then the club will really kick on next season but I hope ot be proved wrong.
That said however jrfatfan – your list of all the things he’s had to put up with just reads like an apologists list & conveniently glosses over the many things he has got wrong at times & the things he continues to get wrong.
The dismissal of him wasting £6.5mill of the club’s money on Boselli as a gamble worth taking but which unfortunately back fired & Bobby can’t be blamed conveniently glosses over he fact that our former director football reported back to Whelan that he didn’t think that a) he was up to the rigours of the premier league & b) was suited to Bobby’s system. Which in turn led to Bobby kicking off, the director of football leaving, Bobby getting his way & a very substantial & scarce amount of money getting wasted. Football is all about opinions but Bobby got it badly wrong with Boselli & if Latics stay up despite this mistake it was a mistake that Bobby must take full responsibility for
Likewise blaming poor refereeing is the refuge of the desparate – I say that as a ref who copped an earful yesterday at full time from a player who said I cost his team the game. The same player who had blasted a penalty 10 yards over the bar in the 1st half yet it was my fault they lost!! latics will have had as many ropey reffing decisions go their way as they will have had go against them. if they go down its coz they weren’t good enough & not coz of the referees
If you want to see the “darkside” praise Bobby if Latics stay up then by the same token if Latics go down this season & then struggle next season & he is sacked or hsi contract isn’t renewed I hope that those on the “lightside” who have said that “he just needs time” will hold their hands up & say “sorry Darkside, you were right all along he just wasn’t up to the job” – or will it all have been the ref’s fault or down to “international call ups”?????
I will praise a manager at a season’s end if he has made some form of progress on the previous season.
So if Latics stay up & in the process get more points & have a better goal difference than last season then Bobby will have made progress & he deserves credit for it – its also only my opinion but I do think that by & large the level of performances (if not results) have improved since February so I’ll credit him with that too.
I don’t think that long term he’s the right man for the job nor do I subscribe to his belief that if we stay up this season then the club will really kick on next season but I hope ot be proved wrong.
That said however jrfatfan – your list of all the things he’s had to put up with just reads like an apologists list & conveniently glosses over the many things he has got wrong at times & the things he continues to get wrong.
The dismissal of him wasting £6.5mill of the club’s money on Boselli as a gamble worth taking but which unfortunately back fired & Bobby can’t be blamed conveniently glosses over he fact that our former director football reported back to Whelan that he didn’t think that a) he was up to the rigours of the premier league & b) was suited to Bobby’s system. Which in turn led to Bobby kicking off, the director of football leaving, Bobby getting his way & a very substantial & scarce amount of money getting wasted. Football is all about opinions but Bobby got it badly wrong with Boselli & if Latics stay up despite this mistake it was a mistake that Bobby must take full responsibility for
Likewise blaming poor refereeing is the refuge of the desparate – I say that as a ref who copped an earful yesterday at full time from a player who said I cost his team the game. The same player who had blasted a penalty 10 yards over the bar in the 1st half yet it was my fault they lost!! latics will have had as many ropey reffing decisions go their way as they will have had go against them. if they go down its coz they weren’t good enough & not coz of the referees
If you want to see the “darkside” praise Bobby if Latics stay up then by the same token if Latics go down this season & then struggle next season & he is sacked or hsi contract isn’t renewed I hope that those on the “lightside” who have said that “he just needs time” will hold their hands up & say “sorry Darkside, you were right all along he just wasn’t up to the job” – or will it all have been the ref’s fault or down to “international call ups”?????
You’ve totally missed the point unless you have not been a regular viewer on here all season.
There’s a big difference between the darkside coming on here moaning like old washer women every time we lose and the likes of me, or the lightside if you so wish, defending our club and manager when these “fans” come on with a bitter hatred flavour in their posts.
I’ve not started one thread all season claiming Bobby’s doing a great job and will keep us up. I have no reason to hold my hands up for anything at the end of the season.
However, just count all the threads posted about him taking us down [starting from Sept / Oct last year] some actually state he has already relegated us FFS!!
Can you see the subtle difference?
PS If you gave a bad decision at the match you reffed, too true you may have cost them the game. Blasting over a penalty by the team, doesn’t make your bad decision indefensible. :roll:
If anyone has the time or inclination to count the number of pro-Martinez versus anti-Martinez threads since the start of the season, I am very confident that it would be very heavily weighted in favour of the anti.