to sack or not sack a manager mid season

Yes what will be will be cant understand some of the dicky fits on here anyone would think we havn’t been relagated before :roll: :roll: :roll:

I don’t give bad decisions – I give correct ones!!!! ;)
Your comment however illustrates one of the points I was making
If Latics go down it will be because the manager, squad etc.. were not good enough. If Latics stay up it will be because they were good enough. Any team in the land will point to any number of decisions given or not given by the ref & their opponents will point to any number that did go there way

As for the other parts of your reply – I didn’t miss your point at all. I merely replied & said that IF latics stay up & if there is some progression on last season then he deserves credit for that & I will give it to him.
I merely also pointed out that IF Latics go down & IF we then proceed to struggle next season then thos on the lightside, by the same token, should hold there hands up & say you know what he isn’t/wasn’t good enough & won’t be no matter how long he is given in the job
I don’t recall mentioning anywhere that you had started any threads praising Bobby nor that there were as many pro-Bobby threads as there were anti-Bobby threads. However, whilst you brought that up there are regular lead articles on this websites homepage that are pro-Bobby & which accuse those who don’t think he’s up to the job & are vocal about it as “not true supporters” including 2 in the last week

IMO supporters of latics (pro or anti Bobby) are entitled to voice their opinions of whether they do or don’t think he’s the right man for the job at any point during the course of a season and or offer him praise/criticism after any game as they see fit. You’re right though that its ridiculous to say he’s relegated us (or kept us up) at any point until that is mathematically certain
One other thing I would take issue with in what you said however was the comment that many of the darkside are on here like washer women after every defeat telling everyone he isn’t good enough. Whilst its true to a certain extent when you come on here after Latics have played well & got a good result you can guarantee that they’ll be numerous posts claiming “where are all the whinging darkside tonight? They don’t like it when Bobby rams their claims down their throats etc..”
One follows the other (in both cases) as sure as night follows day – its just more noticeable from the darkside & therefore appears far mroe regularlay coz the team loses far more than it wins & bad performances have tended to outweigh the good uns

Seems from the length of his post TL appears to feel the need to unequivocally defend himself and the other darksiders.
I actually got bored with his novel after 3 lines but it looks like someones done a bit of reasearch and highlights the very point I was trying to make. :o

Whilst I like your Di Santo analogy Standish, all your stats do is prove the point I made in my last post
Yes, many of the anti-Bobby brigade will be out in force when Latics have had a bad performance &/or result but by the same token so are the pro-Bobby brigade when Latics have had a good result/performance
Yes the amounts of posts are less numerous but to me that just indicates that the anti-Bobby brigade are more numerous than their counterparts and based over what’s been seen over the majority of the last 2 seasons that’s hardly surprising

My point, however poorly or boringly (sorry jrfatfan ;) ) made is that its hypocritical to slate the “darkside” for their posts when the “lightside” do exactly the same only they’re less in number
However boring & repetitive the lightside may find the darksides posts its no more or less boring or repetitive than the darkside find the lightside’s posts about “give him time”, “he’s trying to change our style of play”, “his hands are tied with finances”, “you’re not a true supporter unless you back the manager” etc…. whether its in messageboard posts or in lead articles on the website

If you want one side to stop then the other side has to stop too – IMHO

Whilst I like your Di Santo analogy Standish, all your stats do is prove the point I made in my last post Yes, many of the anti-Bobby brigade will be out in force when Latics have had a bad performance &/or result but by the same token so are the pro-Bobby brigade when Latics have had a good result/performance Yes the amounts of posts are less numerous but to me that just indicates that the anti-Bobby brigade are more numerous than their counterparts and based over what’s been seen over the majority of the last 2 seasons that’s hardly surprising My point, however poorly or boringly (sorry jrfatfan ;) ) made is that its hypocritical to slate the “darkside” for their posts when the “lightside” do exactly the same only they’re less in number However boring & repetitive the lightside may find the darksides posts its no more or less boring or repetitive than the darkside find the lightside’s posts about “give him time”, “he’s trying to change our style of play”, “his hands are tied with finances”, “you’re not a true supporter unless you back the manager” etc…. whether its in messageboard posts or in lead articles on the website If you want one side to stop then the other side has to stop too – IMHO[/quote] Nice attempt, and well wriggled, but frankly my man, you’re talking guff.

Are you honestly trying to claim the anti-Martinez gang outnumber the pro-Martinezers by around 10 to 1? (Incidentally, none of your posts have been included as anti)

Each time we have a poll. The results come out 50/50 pro v anti. It’s quite often the same posters starting ant-Martinez threads, sometimes 3 or 4 threads per defeat.

The Darksiders are more likely to post during a hissy fit following a defeat than the ‘Martinez Fan Club’ are to post joyous celebrations following a win.

It doesn’t matter how you try to stand your ground on this, it’s so blatantly obvious that even Di Santo (back to that analogy) couldn’t miss – providing it wasn’t from a corner by Watson, in which case it would be over his head or would have already hit the first defender.

Admirable though your reasoning is, even you must be able to see that you’re forced to hoist a white flag on this debate.

maybe cause the darkside love nothing more than to whinge every chance they get?

Tyldesley Take the figures as an average post per game, not a grand total and it’s actually 11 – 2.

That aside, Christ knows what sort of company you keep and where you sit in the stadium if everyone you speak to is against Martinez and don’t think he’s up to it. Do you all meet up at a set point pre-match – under a large dark cloud somewhere?

Out of my mates, it’s a mixed bunch, as is where I sit in the West Stand. There are some of my mates who want Martinez sacked, but to explain, these particular people know feck-all about most things, and usually always make the wrong decisions on life. ;)

For me, the Dark Side are not more numerous, just more prone to reactionary comments, booing, jumping up and down shouting etc, so they are noticed. If those who support Martinez started standing up, applauding and shouting praise at him mid-game, them maybe they’d also be noticed. I’ll stand by my 50/50 assumption.

There is currently a straw-poll going on another thread, anti v pro.

I have now laid my weapon down, and am backing away slowly….