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    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    After debating some of Bruce’s signings versus Martinez signings and Filmoss’s bizarre statement that he expects more for his £295 season ticket it got me thinking who out of our few premier league managers have delivered the best value for money in terms of players signed.

    I thought about what way the statistics could be chopped and analysed e.g. transfer total versus points in a season but I couldnt be arsed…

    Here is what I came up with anyway which I find quite interesting.

    Data mostly from soccerbase.com apart from some gaps I had to fill in from either google or memory.

    Average Net Profits Per Season

    Roberto Martinez = £ 0.58 Million
    Steve Bruce = £ -9.2 Million
    Chris Hutchings = £ 7.3 Million
    Paul Jewell = £ -4.85 Million

    Net Wigan Career Profit

    Roberto Martinez = £1.74 Million
    Steve Bruce = £-13.80 Million
    Chris Hutchings = £3.65 Million
    Paul Jewell = £-9.7 Million

    Roberto Martinez.

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £ 31.76 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 3

    Average spent per season = £10.58 Million

    Mauro Boselli £6,000,000
    Ali Al Habsi £4,000,000 04 Jul, 2011
    David Jones Free 03 Aug, 2011
    Nouha Dicko Free 12 Aug, 2011
    Albert Crusat Signed 30 Aug, 2011 £2,000,000
    Shaun Maloney £1,000,000 31 Aug, 2011
    Jean Beausejour Signed 25 Jan, 2012 £3,000,000
    James McArthur £500,000 21 Jul, 2010
    Antolin Alcaraz Signed 22 Jul, 2010
    Franco Di Santo £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2010
    Piscu Free 30 Dec, 2010
    Connor Sammon £600,000 31 Jan, 2011
    Jordi Gomez £1,700,000 01 Jul, 2009
    Hendry Thomas Olim Free 02 Jul, 2009
    Jason Scotland £2,000,000 20 Jul, 2009
    James McCarthy n £1,100,000 21 Jul, 2009
    Antonio Amaya Signed 14 Aug, 2009
    Mohamed Diame £3,360,000 21 Aug, 2009
    Vladimir Stojkovic Free 07 Jan, 2010
    Gary Caldwell Signed 13 Jan, 2010
    Victor Moses £2,500,000 01 Feb, 2010
    Ronnie Stam £2,000,000 01 Jul, 2010

    Players OUT

    Total Gained = £33.50 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 3

    Average Gain per season = £ 11.16 Million

    Steven Caldwell Birmingham Free 07 Jul, 2011
    Daniel De Ridder Grasshoppers Free 09 Jul, 2011
    Charles N’Zogbia Aston Villa £9,500,000 30 Jul, 2011
    Titus Bramble Sunderland £1,000,000 23 Jul, 2010
    Antonio Amaya R. Vallecano Free 01 Aug, 2010
    Vladimir Stojkovic Partizan Free 01 Aug, 2010
    Jason Scotland Ipswich £1,000,000 23 Aug, 2010
    Paul Scharner West Brom Free 31 Aug, 2010
    Jonathon Routledge Hamilton Free 31 Jan, 2011
    Luis Antonio Valencia Man Utd £16,000,000 30 Jun, 2009
    Lewis Montrose Wycombe Free 01 Jul, 2009
    Lee Cattermole Sunderland £6,000,000 12 Aug, 2009
    Michael Brown Portsmouth Signed 28 Aug, 2009
    Tomasz Kupisz Jagiellonia 02 Jun, 2010
    Tomasz Cywka Derby Free 30 Jun, 2010

    Steve Bruce

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £31.00 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 1.5

    Average spent per season = £20.66 Million

    Daniel De Ridder Birmingham Free 01 Jul, 2008
    Olivier Kapo Birmingham £3,500,000 16 Jul, 2008
    Lee Cattermole Middlesbro £3,500,000 29 Jul, 2008
    Hugo Rodallega Necaxa £4,500,000 20 Dec, 2008
    Maynor Figueroa Wigan Signed 23 Dec, 2008
    Ben Watson C Palace £2,000,000 26 Jan, 2009
    Charles N’Zogbia Newcastle £6,000,000 02 Feb, 2009
    Wilson Palacios Olimpo £1,000,000 11 Jan, 2008
    Erik Edman Rennes £500,000 18 Jan, 2008
    Luis Antonio Valencia Villarreal £5,000,000 18 Jan, 2008
    Marlon King Watford £5,000,000 29 Jan, 2008

    Players OUT

    Total Gained = £17.20 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 1.5

    Average Gain per season = £ 11.46 Million

    Andreas Granqvist FC Groningen Signed 17 Jul, 2008
    David Cotterill Sheff Utd Signed 31 Jul, 2008
    Carlo Nash Everton Signed 01 Sep, 2008
    Maynor Figueroa Wigan Signed 23 Dec, 2008
    Luke Ashworth Leyton Orient Transfer 14 Jan, 2009
    Wilson Palacios Tottenham £12,000,000 21 Jan, 2009
    Emile Heskey Aston Villa £3,500,000 23 Jan, 2009
    Ryan Taylor Newcastle Signed 02 Feb, 2009
    Fitz Hall QPR £700,000 04 Jan, 2008
    Denny Landzaat Feyenoord £1,000,000 28 Jan, 2008
    Peter Moore Northwich Free 01 Jun, 2008
    Julius Aghahowa Kayserispor Signed 23 Jun, 2008

    Chris Hutchings

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £5.60 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 1.5

    Average spent per season = £11.2 Million

    Jason Koumas West Brom £5,300,000 10 Jul, 2007
    Michael Brown Fulham Signed 31 Jul, 2007
    Rachid Bouaouzan Sp. Rotterdam £300,000 01 Aug, 2007
    Salomon Olembe Marseille Free 04 Sep, 2007

    Players OUT

    Total Gained = £9.25 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 0.5

    Average Gain per season = £ 18.50 Million

    Lee McCulloch Rangers £2,250,000 11 Jul, 2007
    Leighton Baines Everton £6,000,000 07 Aug, 2007
    David Unsworth Burnley Free 13 Aug, 2007
    Caleb Folan Hull £1,000,000 31 Aug, 2007

    Paul Jewell

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £27.50 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 2

    Average spent per season = £13.75 million

    Emile Heskey Birmingham £5,500,000 07 Jul, 2006
    Denny Landzaat AZ Alkmaar £2,500,000 18 Jul, 2006
    Emmerson Boyce C Palace £1,000,000 01 Aug, 2006
    Kevin Kilbane Everton £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2006
    David Cotterill Bristol C £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2006
    Andy Webster Hearts Signed 31 Aug, 2006
    Chris Kirkland Liverpool Signed 27 Oct, 2006
    David Unsworth Sheff Utd Free 05 Jan, 2007
    Caleb Folan Chesterfield £500,000 26 Jan, 2007
    Julius Aghahowa Shakhtar £2,100,000 31 Jan, 2007
    Titus Bramble Newcastle Free 04 Jun, 2007
    Antoine Sibierski Newcastle Free 04 Jun, 2007
    Mario Melchiot Rennes Free 15 Jun, 2007
    Andreas Granqvist Helsingborgs Signed 19 Jun, 2007
    Mike Pollitt Rotherham £200,000 30 Jun, 2005
    Pascal Chimbonda Bastia £500,000 08 Jul, 2005
    Ryan Taylor Tranmere £750,000 13 Jul, 2005
    Stephane Henchoz Celtic Free 27 Jul, 2005
    Damien Francis Norwich Signed 05 Aug, 2005
    Henri Camara Wolves £3,000,000 06 Aug, 2005
    Arjan De Zeeuw Portsmouth Signed 11 Aug, 2005
    David Connolly Leicester £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2005
    Josip Skoko Genclerbirligi Signed 31 Aug, 2005
    Paul Scharner Brann £2,500,000 06 Jan, 2006
    David Thompson Blackburn Free 19 Jan, 2006
    Fitz Hall C Palace £3,000,000 26 Jun, 2006

    Players OUT

    Total Spent = £17.80 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 2

    Average Gained per season = £8.9 million

    Jason Roberts Blackburn £3,000,000 03 Jul, 2006
    Kevin Lee Southport Free 18 Jul, 2006
    David Thompson Portsmouth Free 28 Jul, 2006
    Michael Hazeldine Alloa Signed 01 Aug, 2006
    Pascal Chimbonda Tottenham £4,500,000 31 Aug, 2006
    Graham Kavanagh Sunderland £500,000 31 Aug, 2006
    David Connolly Sunderland £1,400,000 31 Aug, 2006
    Stephane Henchoz Blackburn Free 08 Sep, 2006
    David Wright Ipswich Signed 11 Jan, 2007
    Gary Teale Derby £600,000 11 Jan, 2007
    Matt Jackson Watford Free 24 May, 2007
    Arjan De Zeeuw Coventry Free 30 Jun, 2007
    Andreas Johansson Aalborg Free 01 Jul, 2007
    Nicky Eaden Nottm Forest Free 01 Jul, 2005
    Ian Breckin Nottm Forest £350,000 06 Jul, 2005
    Gareth Whalley Swindon Signed 13 Jul, 2005
    David Graham Sheff Wed £250,000 12 Aug, 2005
    Nathan Ellington West Brom £3,000,000 14 Aug, 2005
    Jimmy Bullard Fulham £2,500,000 08 May, 2006
    Alan Mahon Burnley £200,000 08 Jun, 2006
    Luke Joyce Carlisle Free 01 Jul, 2006
    Phil Edwards Accrington Free 01 Jul, 2006
    Damien Francis Watford £1,500,000 01 Jul, 2006

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    griffChris Griffin
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    Interesting stuff, and goes some way to exploding another myth. Did we have a turnstile on the trainng ground door when Jewell was here?

    The obvious missing elements are:-

    1) money recouped in sales
    2) salary costs

    2) is obviously difficult to ascertain but you should be able to do 1), Salford. Come on, chop chop!

    #82032
    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    Interesting stuff, and goes some way to exploding another myth. Did we have a turnstile on the trainng ground door when Jewell was here?

    The obvious missing elements are:-

    1) money recouped in sales
    2) salary costs

    2) is obviously difficult to ascertain but you should be able to do 1), Salford. Come on, chop chop!

    The first reply to that in my head was get stuffed Griff…

    But then I realised its either that or get some propper work done this afternoon :)

    If anyone can differ from the figures or think of anything else give me a shout and will edit again.

    #82033
    StandishWalkerStandishWalker
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    Is it just me going blind Salford, or have you missed Boselli off the list?

    #82034
    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    Is it just me going blind Salford, or have you missed Boselli off the list?

    Your not wrong mate. Me and Soccerbase appear oblivious to that one!

    Got the £6 million defecit in but begs the question now what are we receiving in loan fees for him…

    Anyone going to the fan forum monday who could ask that question ? Not sure if you will get an answer though.

    #82038
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    Impressed

    But how are you going to account for the famous line ‘fee undisclosed’ or payments received when sending someone out on loan

    #82039
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    After debating some of Bruce’s signings versus Martinez signings and Filmoss’s bizarre statement that he expects more for his £295 season ticket it got me thinking who out of our few premier league managers have delivered the best value for money in terms of players signed.

    I thought about what way the statistics could be chopped and analysed e.g. transfer total versus points in a season but I couldnt be arsed…

    Here is what I came up with anyway which I find quite interesting.

    Data mostly from soccerbase.com apart from some gaps I had to fill in from either google or memory.

    Average Net Profits Per Season

    Roberto Martinez = £ 0.58 Million
    Steve Bruce = £ -9.2 Million
    Chris Hutchings = £ 7.3 Million
    Paul Jewell = £ -4.85 Million

    Net Wigan Career Profit

    Roberto Martinez = £1.74 Million
    Steve Bruce = £-13.80 Million
    Chris Hutchings = £3.65 Million
    Paul Jewell = £-9.7 Million

    Roberto Martinez.

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £ 31.76 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 3

    Average spent per season = £10.58 Million

    Mauro Boselli £6,000,000
    Ali Al Habsi £4,000,000 04 Jul, 2011
    David Jones Free 03 Aug, 2011
    Nouha Dicko Free 12 Aug, 2011
    Albert Crusat Signed 30 Aug, 2011 £2,000,000
    Shaun Maloney £1,000,000 31 Aug, 2011
    Jean Beausejour Signed 25 Jan, 2012 £3,000,000
    James McArthur £500,000 21 Jul, 2010
    Antolin Alcaraz Signed 22 Jul, 2010
    Franco Di Santo £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2010
    Piscu Free 30 Dec, 2010
    Connor Sammon £600,000 31 Jan, 2011
    Jordi Gomez £1,700,000 01 Jul, 2009
    Hendry Thomas Olim Free 02 Jul, 2009
    Jason Scotland £2,000,000 20 Jul, 2009
    James McCarthy n £1,100,000 21 Jul, 2009
    Antonio Amaya Signed 14 Aug, 2009
    Mohamed Diame £3,360,000 21 Aug, 2009
    Vladimir Stojkovic Free 07 Jan, 2010
    Gary Caldwell Signed 13 Jan, 2010
    Victor Moses £2,500,000 01 Feb, 2010
    Ronnie Stam £2,000,000 01 Jul, 2010

    Players OUT

    Total Gained = £33.50 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 3

    Average Gain per season = £ 11.16 Million

    Steven Caldwell Birmingham Free 07 Jul, 2011
    Daniel De Ridder Grasshoppers Free 09 Jul, 2011
    Charles N’Zogbia Aston Villa £9,500,000 30 Jul, 2011
    Titus Bramble Sunderland £1,000,000 23 Jul, 2010
    Antonio Amaya R. Vallecano Free 01 Aug, 2010
    Vladimir Stojkovic Partizan Free 01 Aug, 2010
    Jason Scotland Ipswich £1,000,000 23 Aug, 2010
    Paul Scharner West Brom Free 31 Aug, 2010
    Jonathon Routledge Hamilton Free 31 Jan, 2011
    Luis Antonio Valencia Man Utd £16,000,000 30 Jun, 2009
    Lewis Montrose Wycombe Free 01 Jul, 2009
    Lee Cattermole Sunderland £6,000,000 12 Aug, 2009
    Michael Brown Portsmouth Signed 28 Aug, 2009
    Tomasz Kupisz Jagiellonia 02 Jun, 2010
    Tomasz Cywka Derby Free 30 Jun, 2010

    Steve Bruce

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £31.00 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 1.5

    Average spent per season = £20.66 Million

    Daniel De Ridder Birmingham Free 01 Jul, 2008
    Olivier Kapo Birmingham £3,500,000 16 Jul, 2008
    Lee Cattermole Middlesbro £3,500,000 29 Jul, 2008
    Hugo Rodallega Necaxa £4,500,000 20 Dec, 2008
    Maynor Figueroa Wigan Signed 23 Dec, 2008
    Ben Watson C Palace £2,000,000 26 Jan, 2009
    Charles N’Zogbia Newcastle £6,000,000 02 Feb, 2009
    Wilson Palacios Olimpo £1,000,000 11 Jan, 2008
    Erik Edman Rennes £500,000 18 Jan, 2008
    Luis Antonio Valencia Villarreal £5,000,000 18 Jan, 2008
    Marlon King Watford £5,000,000 29 Jan, 2008

    Players OUT

    Total Gained = £17.20 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 1.5

    Average Gain per season = £ 11.46 Million

    Andreas Granqvist FC Groningen Signed 17 Jul, 2008
    David Cotterill Sheff Utd Signed 31 Jul, 2008
    Carlo Nash Everton Signed 01 Sep, 2008
    Maynor Figueroa Wigan Signed 23 Dec, 2008
    Luke Ashworth Leyton Orient Transfer 14 Jan, 2009
    Wilson Palacios Tottenham £12,000,000 21 Jan, 2009
    Emile Heskey Aston Villa £3,500,000 23 Jan, 2009
    Ryan Taylor Newcastle Signed 02 Feb, 2009
    Fitz Hall QPR £700,000 04 Jan, 2008
    Denny Landzaat Feyenoord £1,000,000 28 Jan, 2008
    Peter Moore Northwich Free 01 Jun, 2008
    Julius Aghahowa Kayserispor Signed 23 Jun, 2008

    Chris Hutchings

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £5.60 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 1.5

    Average spent per season = £11.2 Million

    Jason Koumas West Brom £5,300,000 10 Jul, 2007
    Michael Brown Fulham Signed 31 Jul, 2007
    Rachid Bouaouzan Sp. Rotterdam £300,000 01 Aug, 2007
    Salomon Olembe Marseille Free 04 Sep, 2007

    Players OUT

    Total Gained = £9.25 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 0.5

    Average Gain per season = £ 18.50 Million

    Lee McCulloch Rangers £2,250,000 11 Jul, 2007
    Leighton Baines Everton £6,000,000 07 Aug, 2007
    David Unsworth Burnley Free 13 Aug, 2007
    Caleb Folan Hull £1,000,000 31 Aug, 2007

    Paul Jewell

    Players IN

    Total Spent = £27.50 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 2

    Average spent per season = £13.75 million

    Emile Heskey Birmingham £5,500,000 07 Jul, 2006
    Denny Landzaat AZ Alkmaar £2,500,000 18 Jul, 2006
    Emmerson Boyce C Palace £1,000,000 01 Aug, 2006
    Kevin Kilbane Everton £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2006
    David Cotterill Bristol C £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2006
    Andy Webster Hearts Signed 31 Aug, 2006
    Chris Kirkland Liverpool Signed 27 Oct, 2006
    David Unsworth Sheff Utd Free 05 Jan, 2007
    Caleb Folan Chesterfield £500,000 26 Jan, 2007
    Julius Aghahowa Shakhtar £2,100,000 31 Jan, 2007
    Titus Bramble Newcastle Free 04 Jun, 2007
    Antoine Sibierski Newcastle Free 04 Jun, 2007
    Mario Melchiot Rennes Free 15 Jun, 2007
    Andreas Granqvist Helsingborgs Signed 19 Jun, 2007
    Mike Pollitt Rotherham £200,000 30 Jun, 2005
    Pascal Chimbonda Bastia £500,000 08 Jul, 2005
    Ryan Taylor Tranmere £750,000 13 Jul, 2005
    Stephane Henchoz Celtic Free 27 Jul, 2005
    Damien Francis Norwich Signed 05 Aug, 2005
    Henri Camara Wolves £3,000,000 06 Aug, 2005
    Arjan De Zeeuw Portsmouth Signed 11 Aug, 2005
    David Connolly Leicester £2,000,000 31 Aug, 2005
    Josip Skoko Genclerbirligi Signed 31 Aug, 2005
    Paul Scharner Brann £2,500,000 06 Jan, 2006
    David Thompson Blackburn Free 19 Jan, 2006
    Fitz Hall C Palace £3,000,000 26 Jun, 2006

    Players OUT

    Total Spent = £17.80 Million

    Seasons worth of Transfer Window’s = 2

    Average Gained per season = £8.9 million

    Jason Roberts Blackburn £3,000,000 03 Jul, 2006
    Kevin Lee Southport Free 18 Jul, 2006
    David Thompson Portsmouth Free 28 Jul, 2006
    Michael Hazeldine Alloa Signed 01 Aug, 2006
    Pascal Chimbonda Tottenham £4,500,000 31 Aug, 2006
    Graham Kavanagh Sunderland £500,000 31 Aug, 2006
    David Connolly Sunderland £1,400,000 31 Aug, 2006
    Stephane Henchoz Blackburn Free 08 Sep, 2006
    David Wright Ipswich Signed 11 Jan, 2007
    Gary Teale Derby £600,000 11 Jan, 2007
    Matt Jackson Watford Free 24 May, 2007
    Arjan De Zeeuw Coventry Free 30 Jun, 2007
    Andreas Johansson Aalborg Free 01 Jul, 2007
    Nicky Eaden Nottm Forest Free 01 Jul, 2005
    Ian Breckin Nottm Forest £350,000 06 Jul, 2005
    Gareth Whalley Swindon Signed 13 Jul, 2005
    David Graham Sheff Wed £250,000 12 Aug, 2005
    Nathan Ellington West Brom £3,000,000 14 Aug, 2005
    Jimmy Bullard Fulham £2,500,000 08 May, 2006
    Alan Mahon Burnley £200,000 08 Jun, 2006
    Luke Joyce Carlisle Free 01 Jul, 2006
    Phil Edwards Accrington Free 01 Jul, 2006
    Damien Francis Watford £1,500,000 01 Jul, 2006

    Salford,any jobs gooin at your place marrer ;)

    #82043
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    Now what was that statement that mark twain made about benjamin disraeli

    i’ll leave that for you to google

    I am afraid manipulating data so martinez benefits from the sale of players(valencia)who had left the club before martinez arrived, or cattermole who never played for martinez just smacks of desperation – how on earth can any current manager benefit from a previous ones plus column , not one of martinezs signings have shown a profit and when we are relegated the value of the ones hes signed will drop even more.

    Oh i just remembered what that american fellow said now, something about lies & damn lies wasnt it.

    The biggest load of crap since last weeks daily express imigration scare.

    #82044
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    I fear for you LMB,you just cannot get on europes best young managers back, and think you can escape from his litttle bunnies who use this site :dry:

    #82045
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    Now what was that statement that mark twain made about benjamin disraeli

    i’ll leave that for you to google

    I am afraid manipulating data so martinez benefits from the sale of players(valencia)who had left the club before martinez arrived, or cattermole who never played for martinez just smacks of desperation – how on earth can any current manager benefit from a previous ones plus column , not one of martinezs signings have shown a profit and when we are relegated the value of the ones hes signed will drop even more.

    Oh i just remembered what that american fellow said now, something about lies & damn lies wasnt it.

    The biggest load of crap since last weeks daily express imigration scare.

    Of course he should be shown to benefit from the sales of Valencia and Cattermole!

    The whole point of highlighting the sales as well as purchases is give a net spend figure, not to say ‘Isn’t Roberto clever getting all the money by selling Valencia’.

    If he’d used funds won on a scratch card bought by Steve Bruce, I’m sure that would have been shown too.

    No, he hasn’t received profit for any of the players he signed – because only three of his signing have left (loan signings not included):

    Amaya came as part of the Diame deal, and left for nothing.

    Steven Caldwell arrived on a free, and a year later left on a free.

    Scotland was signed for £2 million, and sold for £1 million.

    It’s hardly a massive loss in the grand scheme of things is it, considering he’s probably saved in the region of £4 million just by offloading Bramble, De Ridder, Brown and Cattermole and bringing in players on lower salaries?

    #82046
    StandishWalkerStandishWalker
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    I fear for you LMB,you just cannot get on europes best young managers back, and think you can escape from his litttle bunnies who use this site :dry:

    Who’s called him ‘Europe’s best young manager’ other than you?

    #82047
    loudmouthbluedamian walker
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    Now what was that statement that mark twain made about benjamin disraeli

    i’ll leave that for you to google

    I am afraid manipulating data so martinez benefits from the sale of players(valencia)who had left the club before martinez arrived, or cattermole who never played for martinez just smacks of desperation – how on earth can any current manager benefit from a previous ones plus column , not one of martinezs signings have shown a profit and when we are relegated the value of the ones hes signed will drop even more.

    Oh i just remembered what that american fellow said now, something about lies & damn lies wasnt it.

    The biggest load of crap since last weeks daily express imigration scare.

    Of course he should be shown to benefit from the sales of Valencia and Cattermole!

    The whole point of highlighting the sales as well as purchases is give a net spend figure, not to say ‘Isn’t Roberto clever getting all the money by selling Valencia’.

    If he’d used funds won on a scratch card bought by Steve Bruce, I’m sure that would have been shown too.

    No, he hasn’t received profit for any of the players he signed – because only three of his signing have left (loan signings not included):

    Amaya came as part of the Diame deal, and left for nothing.

    Steven Caldwell arrived on a free, and a year later left on a free.

    Scotland was signed for £2 million, and sold for £1 million.

    It’s hardly a massive loss in the grand scheme of things is it, considering he’s probably saved in the region of £4 million just by offloading Bramble, De Ridder, Brown and Cattermole and bringing in players on lower salaries?[/quote]

    For christs sake standish have you had some form of brain surgery that has effected your reasoning – how on earth can martinez be credited on what is basically a profit and loss cash book, 16 million in credit for valencia or 6 mill for cattermole ?
    Their purchase and sales values had been concluded before martinez was in control, any manager can only be judged on net worth, what he’s spent, the return he got for his investment and value of any sale.

    From where I see it martinez is being credited with over 31 million pounds (valencia, cattermole, nzogbia) that he is not entitled to although in nzogbia’s case, playing under martinez suited him and added value to his net worth this is something that must also be included in any comparisons.

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    Why shouldn’t Martinez be credited? According to those stats Bruce is being credited for buying Valencia. Was it not Jewell who signed him?

    #82050
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    Why shouldn’t Martinez be credited? According to those stats Bruce is being credited for buying Valencia. Was it not Jewell who signed him?

    I thought it was Bruce who signed him !!

    #82051
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    bruce should not be credited for the signing of valencia and it should not be in his plus or minus columns and nobody has suggested that anyway.

    The question asked by the originator of this thread was value for money and which of the 4 premiership managers we have had has provided the best value.

    On the face of it his figures go on to show that martinez has given the best value, but if you examine the figures closer he used less than reliable details to come up with that nonsense and that is all I have said and will repeat martinez is being credited with a plus colummn that is 30 million pounds more that the actual truth – but once again why let truth get in the way of legitimising how much martinez is better than his predecessors.

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