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    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    Considering your so happy with the previous stats loudmouth here is another little chestnut… Just for you!

    Average goals per game

    Robert Martinez = 0.98
    Steve Bruce = 0.93
    Chris Hutchings = 0.71
    Paul Jewell = 1.08

    Martinez
    2011/2012 26 games 20 points 23 goals
    2010/2011 38 games 42 points 40 goals
    2009/2010 38 games 36 points 37 goals

    Bruce

    2008/2009 38 games 45 points 34 goals
    2007/2008 24 games 32 points 24 goals

    Chris Hutchings

    2007/2008 14 games 8 points 10 goals

    Paul Jewell

    2006/2007 38 games 38 points 37 goals
    2005/2006 38 games 51 points 45 goals

    #82053
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    Considering your so happy with the previous stats loudmouth here is another little chestnut… Just for you!

    Average goals per game

    Robert Martinez = 0.98
    Steve Bruce = 0.93
    Chris Hutchings = 0.71
    Paul Jewell = 1.08

    Martinez
    2011/2012 26 games 20 points 23 goals
    2010/2011 38 games 42 points 40 goals
    2009/2010 38 games 36 points 37 goals

    Bruce

    2008/2009 38 games 45 points 34 goals
    2007/2008 24 games 32 points 24 goals

    Chris Hutchings

    2007/2008 14 games 8 points 10 goals

    Paul Jewell

    2006/2007 38 games 38 points 37 goals
    2005/2006 38 games 51 points 45 goals

    You just know the darkside will come back with goals conceded :S :S

    #82054
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    Considering your so happy with the previous stats loudmouth here is another little chestnut… Just for you!

    Average goals per game

    Robert Martinez = 0.98
    Steve Bruce = 0.93
    Chris Hutchings = 0.71
    Paul Jewell = 1.08

    Martinez
    2011/2012 26 games 20 points 23 goals
    2010/2011 38 games 42 points 40 goals
    2009/2010 38 games 36 points 37 goals

    Bruce

    2008/2009 38 games 45 points 34 goals
    2007/2008 24 games 32 points 24 goals

    Chris Hutchings

    2007/2008 14 games 8 points 10 goals

    Paul Jewell

    2006/2007 38 games 38 points 37 goals
    2005/2006 38 games 51 points 45 goals

    Why do you feel you need to show it me ?
    Is that to show that we score more goals under martinez ?
    Why is it another “little chestnut” ?
    Is your real name Benjamin Disraeli ?
    Are you really as dim as you seem ?

    I love statistics I do, its even better when someone knows how to interpret them correctly.

    edit Even one less fortunate than most is questioning in his own quaint way, why you are using only the goals scored figures, perhaps you could enlighten everyone.

    #82055
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    Considering your so happy with the previous stats loudmouth here is another little chestnut… Just for you!

    Average goals per game

    Robert Martinez = 0.98
    Steve Bruce = 0.93
    Chris Hutchings = 0.71
    Paul Jewell = 1.08

    Martinez
    2011/2012 26 games 20 points 23 goals
    2010/2011 38 games 42 points 40 goals
    2009/2010 38 games 36 points 37 goals

    Bruce

    2008/2009 38 games 45 points 34 goals
    2007/2008 24 games 32 points 24 goals

    Chris Hutchings

    2007/2008 14 games 8 points 10 goals

    Paul Jewell

    2006/2007 38 games 38 points 37 goals
    2005/2006 38 games 51 points 45 goals

    You just know the darkside will come back with goals conceded :S :S[/quote]

    Don’t let this subject worry your little head thirty4years, leave it for the grown ups, you concentrate on thinking about what your user name will be for next season its nearly time.

    But seeing as you rather predictably raised the subject ask salford nicely why doesn’t he balance his arguement and show the goals against statistics.

    I know already, but feel his thought process is far to advanced for you.

    #82056
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    Why shouldn’t Martinez be credited? According to those stats Bruce is being credited for buying Valencia. Was it not Jewell who signed him?

    I thought it was Bruce who signed him !![/quote]

    No it was Jewell. Im not having Bruce take the credit for that one. Valencia was PJ’s little gem. Bruce wouldn’t know a decent buy if it slapped him across his fat head.

    Going back to ‘value for money’ topic. Of recent managers I’d have them in this order.

    1. Paul Jewell
    2. Roberto Martinez
    3. Chris hutchings
    4. Steve Bruce

    I’m basing mine purely on my own opinions, irrelevant of any statistics and on my sole enjoyment I gain and was enriched in latics footballing razzmatazz. For me Bruce was so much more negative than jewell or Martinez. His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.

    #82057
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    His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.

    Like the 5-0 away at hull, or when we outplayed liverpool at anfield, only for the referee to get them back in the game(the best display EVER by a wigan athletic side), even the draws away at liverpool and chelsea in bruces first season.

    I agree you cant compare any of that boring stuff with the excitement of the 9-1 at spurs or 8-0 at chelsea or the 5-0 x 2 at man u, even the 4-1 against second division blackpool, or the draw scraped at 3rd division notts county, not to mention the edge of seat display we produced at 4th division swindon town, by heck the stewards were frantic on those occasions trying to get us to sit down and calm our wanton enthusiasm.

    #82058
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    Why shouldn’t Martinez be credited? According to those stats Bruce is being credited for buying Valencia. Was it not Jewell who signed him?

    I thought it was Bruce who signed him !![/quote]

    No it was Jewell. Im not having Bruce take the credit for that one. Valencia was PJ’s little gem. Bruce wouldn’t know a decent buy if it slapped him across his fat head.

    Going back to ‘value for money’ topic. Of recent managers I’d have them in this order.

    1. Paul Jewell
    2. Roberto Martinez
    3. Chris hutchings
    4. Steve Bruce

    I’m basing mine purely on my own opinions, irrelevant of any statistics and on my sole enjoyment I gain and was enriched in latics footballing razzmatazz. For me Bruce was so much more negative than jewell or Martinez. His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.[/quote]

    So Bob’s square passing, 1 up front, no shots on target, 1 home win all season, bottom of the league excites you does it??? :whistle:

    #82059
    salford_latic44Salford_Latic44
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    His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.

    Like the 5-0 away at hull, or when we outplayed liverpool at anfield, only for the referee to get them back in the game(the best display EVER by a wigan athletic side), even the draws away at liverpool and chelsea in bruces first season.

    I agree you cant compare any of that boring stuff with the excitement of the 9-1 at spurs or 8-0 at chelsea or the 5-0 x 2 at man u, even the 4-1 against second division blackpool, or the draw scraped at 3rd division notts county, not to mention the edge of seat display we produced at 4th division swindon town, by heck the stewards were frantic on those occasions trying to get us to sit down and calm our wanton enthusiasm.[/quote]

    Good morning.

    Statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.

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    His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.

    Like the 5-0 away at hull, or when we outplayed liverpool at anfield, only for the referee to get them back in the game(the best display EVER by a wigan athletic side), even the draws away at liverpool and chelsea in bruces first season.

    I agree you cant compare any of that boring stuff with the excitement of the 9-1 at spurs or 8-0 at chelsea or the 5-0 x 2 at man u, even the 4-1 against second division blackpool, or the draw scraped at 3rd division notts county, not to mention the edge of seat display we produced at 4th division swindon town, by heck the stewards were frantic on those occasions trying to get us to sit down and calm our wanton enthusiasm.[/quote]

    Good morning.

    Statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.[/quote]

    “statistically” the chances of you being able to read what I have said and digest and compute that information are practically non-exsistant, knock 31 million pounds off martinez plus column(as pointed out earlier) and give me your “statistical” answer then, and by all means feel free to add the goals conceeded figures per season for pounds spent as well.

    #82064
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    For christs sake standish have you had some form of brain surgery that has effected your reasoning – how on earth can martinez be credited on what is basically a profit and loss cash book, 16 million in credit for valencia or 6 mill for cattermole ?
    Their purchase and sales values had been concluded before martinez was in control, any manager can only be judged on net worth, what he’s spent, the return he got for his investment and value of any sale.

    From where I see it martinez is being credited with over 31 million pounds (valencia, cattermole, nzogbia) that he is not entitled to although in nzogbia’s case, playing under martinez suited him and added value to his net worth this is something that must also be included in any comparisons.

    Yes I have had brain surgery; I had a tolerance chip implanted that allows me to put up with your incessant anti-Martinez gurglings and your throwing of insults when things aren’t going your way.

    Read my post again. Or, if you can’t be bothered, I’ll summarise.

    Value For Money: a tale of managers and money they spent versus money coming into the club from transfers.

    It’s not an analysis who gets credit for the players sold – but it is all about who gets the benefit from the money on those sales.

    The reason the players sold bit is included is to show that when £16 million was spent on players, on the face of it, there was £16 million in the pot and that particular manager didn’t have to take the club further into the red to do it.

    My post wasn’t even pro-Martinez as such, it was a reaction to someone twisting a money in – money out – per manager thread into an analysis of Martinez’s abilities at developing players.

    Now, that does smack of desperation on your part.

    #82065
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    His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.

    Like the 5-0 away at hull, or when we outplayed liverpool at anfield, only for the referee to get them back in the game(the best display EVER by a wigan athletic side), even the draws away at liverpool and chelsea in bruces first season.

    I agree you cant compare any of that boring stuff with the excitement of the 9-1 at spurs or 8-0 at chelsea or the 5-0 x 2 at man u, even the 4-1 against second division blackpool, or the draw scraped at 3rd division notts county, not to mention the edge of seat display we produced at 4th division swindon town, by heck the stewards were frantic on those occasions trying to get us to sit down and calm our wanton enthusiasm.[/quote]

    Good morning.

    Statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.[/quote]

    “statistically” the chances of you being able to read what I have said and digest and compute that information are practically non-exsistant, knock 31 million pounds off martinez plus column(as pointed out earlier) and give me your “statistical” answer then, and by all means feel free to add the goals conceeded figures per season for pounds spent as well.[/quote]

    Your point is that the Valencia sale should not be credited to Martinez because it was already a done deal before he was in place right?

    Take it out and it means that statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.

    I think your missing the point re: Martinez having the money gained from Cattermole and Valencia.

    the fact is on a playing level Martinez lost a young strong hard tackling midfielder (hard to come by) and a winger who in the past few weeks is being considered one of the best players in the premier league ( pretty much impossible to come by ) thus reducing the quality at his disposal.

    Yet his team is still scoring more goals than your beloved Bruce’s.

    If we are talking money then the Cattermole deal was 100% controlled by Martinez unless Bruce put Cattermole up for sale left the club then bought him? this combined with the fact that you think De Ridder was a reliable player despite being the first winger in history who couldnt cross a ball or beat a man 99% of the time is enforcing my opinion that you are in fact a mongoloid.

    #82066
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    knock 31 million pounds off martinez plus column(as pointed out earlier) and give me your “statistical” answer then

    I’m sure Salford will apologise as he didn’t realise that none of £31 million was made available to Martinez as, in the words of the CEO at the time, ‘You can’t have, because you didn’t earn it’.

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    seeing as I was mentioned in the original thread I will attempt to clarify the ambiguity ! I buy a season ticket every year come what may and I am aware that our season tickets are the 2nd cheapest in the Prem and I am aware that we wont ever be European football contenders. What I will say is that for us to have only won one game at home 6 months ago, I feel that my usual just under £300 spent has not given me the sporadic pleasure that I had anticipated !!

    #82069
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    seeing as I was mentioned in the original thread I will attempt to clarify the ambiguity ! I buy a season ticket every year come what may and I am aware that our season tickets are the 2nd cheapest in the Prem and I am aware that we wont ever be European football contenders. What I will say is that for us to have only won one game at home 6 months ago, I feel that my usual just under £300 spent has not given me the sporadic pleasure that I had anticipated !!

    I would say buying a season ticket is alot like buying a car…

    If you spend £295 on a car there is a good chance it may spend a few month’s sat in a garage.. But there is always the chance with a good mechanic that isnt trying to rip you off it might just get you where you need to be in the end ;)

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    seeing as I was mentioned in the original thread I will attempt to clarify the ambiguity ! I buy a season ticket every year come what may and I am aware that our season tickets are the 2nd cheapest in the Prem and I am aware that we wont ever be European football contenders. What I will say is that for us to have only won one game at home 6 months ago, I feel that my usual just under £300 spent has not given me the sporadic pleasure that I had anticipated !!

    I and many others have a different slant on this. Too true I would love us to have won more home games than we have but, my sporadic pleasure comes from watching my team compete with the best and in many occasions out play them, despite not getting the points.
    Bolton and Stoke fans for starters, over the years must have walked off the Reebok and Brit made up that their teams have muscled their way to a win or draw, but witnessed them hoofing, kicking their way through the match against teams that man for man have hammered um.

    I’m really pleased that DW also shares the view that trying to play football the right way is the best option and has stood behind Bobby when it would have been so easy to show him the back door, whilst opening the front door to the likes of Sam Allardyce.
    If Bobby manages to keep us up then for the reasons just mentioned above well bloody done that man! goodpost

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

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