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So your post was intended to be serious after all.
The one about Martinez standing there motionless with arms folded then clapping the likes of McCarthy for kicking a ten yard pass directly into touch, happened 4 or 5 times in every game.I can’t see McCarthy being a success if he can’t kick straight. Wigan were right to get shot of him. They should ask twice as much for McArthur when he follows him.
He flew in to meet the Yanomami people – the tribe that hides from man.
They had never heard of football, never mind David Beckham.
It was quite difficult, he said. I’d never had to explain football to anyone before – except the wife.
Do you mean like this?
First statement; Can you honestly say that any of the list of things I’ve put forward is not a true fact.
Second statement; I’ve just read your response to my list and basically I’ve rag dolled you.
Thank you, JR. You’ve revived this thread.
Every post is one post nearer to 1,000 – I can hardly wait! It’s certainly more exciting than listening to Andy Townsend droning on.
As the proverb says, “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.” We have to work to protect the truth.
PapaLazarouOnTour said:
That was a damn good summary from Jrfatfan ( one of the most observant posters on this forum ). Well done JR.
No it wasn’t. It’s riddled with errors, exaggeration and prejudice.
To succeed in football you have to be prepared to change things now and again, unfortunately Bobby was too obstinate to do that.
On the contrary, Bobby constantly made adjustments during matches.Instead he opted for third rate backroom staff, players who have never played beyond the third and fourth tier of English football, Jones, Barrow and Lawrence the first 2 being latics legends in my opinion but certainly not premier league management material.
You don’t have to be a good player to be a good manager. Neither Martinez nor Rogers – nor Hodgson come to that – played top class football.chicken Martinez flew the coup when the going got tough.
Rubbish! Roberto faced up to the task of cutting the wage bill by 21%. He remained when things got tough and won the FA Cup! He turned down approaches from Aston Villa and Liverpool to stay with Wigan. He left – as he was bound to do one day – to take on a bigger job at Everton.I just can’t see him changing doing things like;
Urging his players to keep hold of the ball even if it means passing the ball sideways and backwards when in possession 30 yards out from the opposition goals. this results in the majority of occasions back with his own keeper.
If his players have the ball, then the opposition cannot dictate the game, or score.Although behind in a game, continue to pass the ball around in their own half despite the crowd screaming to get it forward and in the box. [this has already been picked up by a few Everton fans I know, they just don’t like this tactic]
If the screaming crowd wanted to see the long ball game, they should have gone to watch Wanderers play under Allardyce.Winning a free kick 30 yards from the opposition goal and taking it short to keep possession, rather than banging it into the box where teams can get hurt. This just doesn’t happen part way through a game, it happens with less than 10 mins go and when losing by the odd goal.
DittoGoing 1-0 up then defending deep for the rest of the game only to be opened up in the last 5 mins and throw points away.
I don’t know that this ever was his plan. There were many teams better than Wigan in the Premier League. So Wigan inevitably came under sustained pressure.Not bringing subs on despite waving them to get stripped and stand at the side of him for 15 mins and longer, before finally putting them on for the last 79 seconds.
You’ve made this up!Standing there arms folded despite things not going right on the field, even clapping players for stupid mistakes that warrant them being hung drawn and quartered.
You’ve made this up too!Yeh, the man has done well for Everton last season and has maintained their normal league position.
Everton actually won a record number of points last season!Instead he opted for third rate backroom staff, players who have never played beyond the third and fourth tier of English football, Jones, Barrow and Lawrence the first 2 being latics legends in my opinion but certainly not premier league management material.Players like Rogers and Martinez, in fact.
And Wenger and Mourinho too.
We’ve already learned that the most vociferous Wigan fans know the least about football.
In Martinez’ first season, Everton gained a record total of Premier League points. I think that should be enough to make most of their fans happy.
Liverpool have a budget double that of Everton. After years of under-performance, Rogers has at least taken them back into the Champions League. Everton can’t afford to pay players £200,000 per week, but if Kenwright can provide more resources, Roberto can take Everton further.
Playing in Europe will be a new experience for both Rogers and Roberto. I expect that both will need a larger squad to compete on two fronts. They will also have to learn how to rotate their squads. Perhaps Uwe can offer them some advice.
Can you honestly say that any of the list of things I’ve put forward is not a true fact. If you disagree, then you have never watched Latics under Martinez.If those things really mattered, Coyle should have enjoyed enormous success. Lots of people – those outside ES2 perhaps – enjoyed Roberto’s style. There aren’t many unhappy Everton fans – they think the School of Science has come back.
The results weren’t brilliant. They would have been better if Roberto had been given a larger – and increasing – budget and a squad big enough to overcome injuries.
Good management is making the most of your resources. By and large, Bobby did that. Meanwhile, Everton had a budget twice as big, and Liverpool’s was four times as big. Wigan were out of their financial depth.
Obstinate? Refusing to change his views?
I think that this post reveals more about you than Roberto.
Players who ‘rise to the occasion’.When did Beausejour ever do that for us?
We will need a new scapegoat now Gomes has gone. I hope that it won’t be Beausejour.
He’s not a winger like McClean, thank goodness. But I thought he was an excellent wingback when Bobby played three at the back.
Somehow, I think he too will find a new home for next season.
But as bait, it hardly matches LostockHallLatic’s original post;
How long before Bottom Four Bob has Everton at the wrong end of the table?
How many days, months, seasons? We still haven’t found the answer.
As LHL himself said a long time ago, this post is set to run!
Roberto is in Rio with Howard, Jagielka, Baines, Barkley, Mirallas and Lukaku (and possibly Stones too).
5 out of those 6 players you mentioned were playing for Everton before Martinez joined them. Barkley had already set his marker down for an England place whilst under Moyes.[/quote]
Did you think Roberto was going to introduce eleven new players to Everton? He built on what they already had.
Everton captain Phil Jagielka says there have been very noticeable differences in training and reveals he can “open up” to Martinez, who has made “life easier” for him as club captain.
All the players would agree that the arrival of Martinez has helped them in their development.
The fans are certainly looking forward to next season.
The only person who’s not happy is you! I don’t think that will worry Roberto too much.
What disasters do you predict for Roberto next season?