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Do you think another manager could get a different tune out these players ?.
I don’t blame Lowe, he’s tried every combo every formation and nothing works.
He’s tried 3-4-5 at the back 1-2-3 up front and every players had a chance which clearly says
The squad isn’t good enough.
Lack of investment, poor scouting at a run down club says it all.
There will be money coming in from Robinson potential move away from Fulham and Charlie Hughes when he leaves Hull
But
The big question is
What will lowe be given ?, judged on Dansons track record so far with investing Lowe will get fcuk all, not even a pot to p!ss in and that’s were the problem lies, not the current crop or the manager the problem is those in charge.
As for today?, Barrow played well they came here and gave it a go so fair do’s to them.
We played well early on, got the goal then we sat back.
If there’s two things I am totally fcuked off with is, ball to feet passing rather than ball into space and people running on to them
And
Running towards any opposition then when they come face to face they sh!t bullets and turn and give it back.
Players doubting their own ability. Take Matt Smith, I rate him but he moves with the ball and it’s always ball to feet.
Where’s the diag, ? or daisy cutter ??. It’s sh!t scared safety first football.
And Brenan? he brings on Cooper first. Brenans chomping at the bit and has it in his locker but again no minutes
But the main issue is, goals from forwards. 2 centre half’s save the day today. Costelloe not good enough and Saydee ? same and don’t be shocked if one gets sent out on loan and someone else comes in in Jan.
But at the end of the day, the squads not good enough. There’s not that one player who can change a game.
I can’t thank Dansons enough for saving us but he bought a run down on its knees club which needed investment on and off the pitch.
All’s I see it all the good work off the field in the community which is great. Then there’s a new sponsor every week again great but underneath it all is a football club crumbling away and fans are slowly walking away.
If Danson pockets any potential in coming cash from the sale of either Robinson or Hughes this will be my last season ticket.
Lowe needs cash and he needs it now, whether it’s to buy 1 or 2 or simply to fund wages for a few players. Danson has to invest or it’s much the same for the next few years, paddling away in custard.
And if he doesn’t ? I think I’m done with the season ticket melarky.
There’s enough freebies flying around I’ll do as they do in Rome and scrounge a freebie if and when I go.
I’d say were I was sat today there was at least 40 missing which says it all.
Danson dip or nose dive your call pal
The proof of the pudding with be,
will any potential money windfall made from the sell on of Charlie Hughes go to Lowe as Hughes looks like he could be leaving Hull in the next 6-7months.
Lets see if Lowe does get anything or if its all simply put back into the daily running of the club and propping up the money losing rugby.
If it is put back into the clubs upkeep could they please fix all the fooked TVS under the stands and turn those fookin bellend adverts off and lets have some half time reports and scores please….ffs
Who the fook wants to see that shit at half time, we’re to buy a wedding dress
Only thing I see coming out of Latics is
“Welcome to our new sponsors”
We’ve more sponsors than a fookin 10k run, I think the toilets have a sponsor we’ve that many
Stevenage look like a side who defend well then try to nick a goal and in this league it will get you up there.
In their last 7 league games there’s been four 1-0’s and two 0-0’s and a 1-1 so its all about defending.
Firstly,
Costelloe,
Another striker brought in and asked to hold it up when it’s as clear as glass that’s not his game. He’d be better getting on to through balls or scraps from crossed balls but I’m still not convinced about him.
Saydee
For me not good enough in all departments. Doesn’t hold it up, no goal threat and I’ve said it before overweight, no engine in the last third.
It’s a totally unbalanced side and a side not brave on the ball. Too many times I saw players run towards the opposition then turn back rather than have a pop and worse scenario draw a foul.
But for me I’m 100% convinced 2 up top and both can’t hold it or score is the wrong formation. I’d sooner see a loan striker, an attacking mid behind and width with midfielders getting into those dangerous positions.
Wtf is Lowe seeing or thinking????, he can clearly see 2 weak players up top is wrong. But without Tickle in that first half we’d have been 2-3 down.
There’s no answers with this squad, were toothless up top. I think we’d be better with 1 forward then 2 sidemen either side and 2 midfielders pushing up and 1 holding hanging back.
This 2 weak forwards is a disaster
Gutted, decided to leave a tab early due to good old British rail cancelling 2 trains but still made up for the lad.
He was unlucky at Stockport in the Bellend Trophy. He has to be given more of these 10 – 15 minute opportunities but what confident young lad to step up and do that
Joke of a cup owners and fans see no point bar Horwich who to 1400 which proves one thing, their massive probably bigger than Utd.
But seriously, trying some stupid bellend mini league with 3 games to get out just to accommodate U21 is w@nkest idea I have ever heard.
Make it a straight KO
No extra time
And be done. Wtf can sponsors get out of this I mean, it’s a cup were it changed it’s sponsorship trophy mid rounds.
You should be able to opt in or out or offer up your U21 which ain’t a bad idea so you never have to open your gates, let another club take the brunt cost of that
Square pegs for round holes. Asamoah needs to be played wide as part of an attacking 3 with Murray. Now I know there both right side but plenty wide play wrong side cut in but his blistering pace alone is enough to scare defences.
4-5-1
Or
4-3-3
Whichever way you wanna put it. Agree Mullin on his own and scrap the two up front. There’s nothing wrong with 2 up front but for it to work they have to be compatible.
Costelloe Mullin Saydee ? any 2 from 3 fails big time and the faster lowe recognises this the better.
Lowes struggling to make average players look good but for me Saydee as a steiker is a yard off everything.
Granted he put some decent loller balls through but truth be known that should be the job of a midfielder and he finishes them off.
I think we’re light years behind everyone else and L1 will be our home for the foreseeable future
Have to agree our transfer policy is awful I’m just hoping the newish a scouting outfit put it right
As for Joe Ralls ? There’s a player who’s played virtually all his career at Cardiff.
I always feel with players like that that when they leave a club after so long they leave their heart & souls behind and it’s basically a career move based on money not ambition.
Granted he has the experience but does he still have that passion at a new club after 15 years there?.
Me personally I’d prefer young hungry ambitious players over the like of Ralls plus he will no doubt have a bag of niggling injuries.
We have to look to sell on we have to. We need scouts to find those lads who’ve been released and lost their way.
If you said Brenan over Ralls I’d side with Brenan based on hunger passion ambition and possible sell on.
You can gain experience but I cant see a move to a bottom of the table side or even us, 3pts off the drop would be a move based on ambition
I kinda disagree the community of the club is excellent charity work, community projects,women’s team, gathering sponsors all brilliant but that’s all on the outside of the football club.
As for football sports side, the football day experience ? before the game, inside the stadium the whole feel and look of it, it feels more like a church fate thrown together with cellotape done on as cheap as possible. I’m waiting for bring your own toilet roll or charity stewarding request.
The EFL games with closed entrances to the seats, no scoreboard, no announcer ? That’s taking the f**kin piss oh and 1 turn style open. I actually queued for 1 game with about 3k on.
I’ll bet you it won’t be long before the South Stand closes for good.
Clubs on a massive down curve with regular adverts for job roles at the club, you gotta ask yourself why did the last person leave.
But for me the total lack of investment on field shows little ambition on the pitch. I think they said 25-26 we’d be aiming at a top 10 team budget ? what I say to that is
Bollocks
If your telling me there’s at least 14 clubs with less I’ll show me mucker outside The Moon. Lowe needs money he needs investment and any Tickle money or potential Hughes sell on needs to be given straight to him.
This “Well the money’s going back into running the club” is little comfort to a manager or fans. We do not expect millions pumped in by a super rich owner we’ve gone past that thought but sell on reinvest is what we desperately need.
We need to show up and coming lads our club is the place to come to give you a successful career.
And one is
Brenan starts every game, gains huge experience, improves, sell-on invest back in the squad because he has it in the locker he just needs minutes and experience like Aasgaard.
There’s 3 or 4 more similar Millar been another. Of course he’ll f**k up granted but I’d sooner give Brenan chances than pay no doubt decent weekly loan money for Cooper.
I read a Swansea fan on FB say “I’d sooner have Cooper back” regarding their current midfield performances and one Swansea fan replied:-
“You seriously gotta be taking the p*ss, glad to see the back of him”
Oh and one last thing that made my p!ss boil,
We get a dangerous free kick just on the edge of the box near the end of normal time, prefect for someone to bend or belt one and what the fook do we do ?, loft one to the far post.
And at the time Wier took it Hemel had a one man wall. If that comes back off the keeper or woodwork anything can happen but not us, total bellend choice, gutless.
Seriously that nearly made me head for the exit.
I’ve always sided with Lowe but starting with 2 forwards and none on the bench wasn’t good tactics it was more about scoring goals
If for what ever reason had we have lost Mullin or Saydee early doors it meant the other would have to stay on for 2 hours which Saydee did and it showed.
4-5-1 would have been far far with M.Smith starting behind a loan striker
He did go down soft but it’s no different than say a Cal Mac would do in his position.
I’m more bothered about how the Hemel Hempstead player who put the ball over wasn’t closed down by 2 Wigan players and he had enough time to dunk a cheeky chip over the top.
Then Smiths unawareness and he let the player peel off his shoulder then decided to shirt tug. The player was clever enough to take it into the box.
Another thing. I lost count on how many simple 5-10yard passes went astray, basic simple unchallenged passes.
If we can’t even get the bread & butter footballing right everything else doesn’t happen. We have an absolute total lack of build up play with midfield players interacting, our build up play consist of,
Defenders passing to each other,
To a midfielder,
He’ll look up then go back to a defender who’ll go long.
Or it goes long to Saydee Mullin or Costelloe who gives it away. One man and his dog knows Mullins game is NOT standing on the halfway line 30 yard out accepting a ball and with no support i.e. Saydee 20 yard away. He’s a player who finds space in the box from anything put in and scores
We have no one to put a foot on the ball in the middle as a king pin just to keep it moving, link play.
I don’t blame Lowe on the whole for the choice of player as he has a poor pool to choose from but yesterday we had 10 men and 2 up front for 30 minutes and Saydee was gassed.
We had no forward on the bench in a game that could have and did go for another 30 minutes.
Based on, we only had 2 forwards (Asamoah Costelloe both missing) in the match day squad and both forwards started in a potential 120 minute game was a huge Lowe mistake.
Stuff tactics 2 up top circumstances should have determined team selection and formation. For me he should have gone with 1 up top say Mullin then when Smith got the red midfielder on then when Mullin had run himself into the ground which he did bring on Saydee.
This 2 up top is failing based on the styles of all 3 which none complement the other.
Lowes concentrating too much focus on pleasing but right now ? Na 1 up top till he finds the right partner for whoever
Well what can I say, firstly give Hemel Hempstead a round of applause because they came here and were desperately unlucky not to come away with a win, only for Tickle and a few last ditch blocks we’d be out.
But let’s concentrate on us, we looked ok till the goal then we struggled. Mullins pen was a shocker and I’ll always say it, no player should miss the goal completely, none.
The sending off, wtf was he thinking ?? honestly schoolboy error but for me our midfield is a ticking time bomb Wright, Cooper Weir ?, it’s as weak as it gets. Absolute devoid of any skill factor resulting in us hitting high up n unders to Saydee and Mullin.
But for me Saydee stunk the place out. The first thing I noticed the size of him. He’s at least a stone plus overweight. I’ve seen footage of him at Portsmouth and he’s no were as big. He was running like the big lad in your class would run at P.E.
He’s clumsy, cannot control the ball or hold the ball up and offers little threat on goal purely due to his lack of mobility and getting in the box.
He seriously gassed on 65-70 minutes so for Pompey fans to say he’ll run all day proves he’s massively overweight. He was a passenger in the latter part of the game and should have gone off but the problem was Mullins hamstring was tight hence he made way.
Now I get Lowe saying he wants exciting football and goals so he opts for the 2 up front approach but Mullin with Saydee is oil & water, they simply do not go together and I’m lost to what Lowes thinking or seeing.
Link up play ? non existent. The distances between the two couldn’t be any further apart, Lowe it doesn’t work m8.
Brenan came on and instantly started to spray the ball and get stuck in along with McManaman and Robinson who made a couple of crucial tackles that kept us in the game.
It says alot about the quality of our side when 3 centre half’s take penalty’s.
On paper bar M.Smith that was our strongest side and Lowe was left with his arms tide behind his back with 10 men so what’s going wrong.
Again I point to the quality of player. This current squad are not good enough and although Lowe threatens to drop and change that’s all fine to say but he doesn’t have the quality to threaten change with.
When it went to pens I noticed Hemel all gee’ing each other up patting each other on the back while 5 of our players walked to the half way line heads down as though they were going to the gallows, sad to see.
A paultry 4000 crowd for an FA Cup tie at home is as bad as it gets.
And well done to the club for closing the supporters bar under the South treated like they don’t exist. I was thinking it was because of the poor ticket sale ? (still no excuse)
Nope,
The room was pre booked for a “Leyland & District Riding Club” event that night so they closed the bar so they could heavily decorate the room in the day while the North Stand bar was open for the away fans I take it?
And that’s were were at,
A club on the downslope,
A club who not give a f*ck about fans,
Owner showing little interest,
A manager struggling to bond with a bunch of average players,
And a club who puts making a few quid renting a room out before their home fans on an FA Cup match day.
I then go under the concourse on the West Stand at half time and you would think you’d see a TV showing half times and reports from grounds.
I looked down the concourse at the TVs hanging up, 2 were showing half time the other 15 20 f**kin advert for shampoo.
You go any away ground underneath the stands there’s half time reports scores on every TV . I’d be interested to hear if it’s the same for the away fans under the North Stand concourse whether their going away thinking “That reminds me, I must stop off and grab some Head & Shoulders”.
Infact there is a good few TVs f**ked and have been for 2 years plus and Danson wants to build ? yeah right. If the clubs that skint I’ve a spare 37″ freeview TV in the loft he can have.
I’ve said it, we’ll be sold in the next 12-18 months. It’s like we’re striping back to the bare bones to show minimal loss to any potential buyers and we’ve a turnover from room hiring at the expense of fans.
There’s a feeling stagnant feeling in the air and less & less fans don’t care and the worse bit of that is, they rarely come back.
The next gen will be lost simply because this club offers far more as a community club (which is great) mid week than it does on the match day experience. But at the end of the day it’s,
Wigan Athletic Football Club
And that’s were the problem lies. We’ve spent so much time and effort getting the community off field social side and women’s football with training and pitch the men’s side and WAFC fans have been pushed aside.
That FA Cup should have been £5 adults £1 kids but there’s more chance of platting a fart than that happening
Dansons call for advise from the NRL speaks volumes. Rugby Leagues TV deal is up for renegotiation 2026 and this will determine it’s future.
When a club like Wigan win everything in 2024 and show a loss then how can it survive?.
Point to that is, Dansons been asked to front two sports and I’m not sure how long he will.
Do not be shocked if we’re sold in 2026 I wont
I always had a feeling it would be a poor turn out. It was the perfect time to go a £1 kids in the hope to attract a few that normally wouldnt go but that would never happen.
The clubs like a dirty unused garaged car. It badly needs a service and a valeting. I thought it was just me losing the spark but apparently there’s a few more like myself.
I’ve said it a 1000 times, if you buy a run down property or business you have to strip back to it’s core then reinvest to get it back to were it was and make it attractive
We’ve done Part (1) , Part (2) were still waiting
But just back to the subject of managers and Lowe, I personally feel he’s not the right man and I will explain why.
I think there’s this fine balance of bringing a team together and over bossing ruling with a hammer.
Neil Warnock was the master of the fine art of man management. He’d go into clubs were the changing had long gone been lost and with the same group of players he bring it together in weeks like a top cars salesman, gift of the gab.
When Lowe first came I thought, he talks well probably too well, uses the word m8 alot abit boy’ish and he likes to come across as one of the boys but I think that’s far from the truth.
He reminds me of an old warehouse boss I had. He’d talk well, laugh joke make you feel and think he’s one of the warehouse lads but cross his path he’d come down on you like a tonne of bricks then the next day try to be that pally best m8 again after docking you 2 hours for being 2 minutes late and verbally roasting you, that’s how Lowe comes across to me.
I think the image he portrays for the cameras is not the same one he bosses the players with far far from it.
His comments the other week set my alarms bells off when he pointed out certain individuals (without naming) not picking up not performing and they’ll be out.
Tactially I really can’t grumble with his approach, he’s never been scared to make changes and his subs are normally the right ones at the right time given what he has to choose from.
He mixes it up and to be fair it’s a far cry from Maloney’s stuck in the mud approach were change was a dirty word.
The problem seems to be these players don’t want to max out for him, they won’t run through brick walls for Lowe or each other and it’s showing badly on the field.
There’s an awful lot to be said about how a manager deals with difficult times and players.
There’s a few rumours doing the rounds about player v manager ding dongs taking place few things thrown and I don’t think Lowe is the type to kiss n make up he’ll punish first and hold that grudge while looking like everything’s fine behind the scenes for the cameras.
I watched this thing on Stoke this season and they reckon the team spirit and bonding at the club is the best it’s been for over a decade.
Every players giving their all. they all get on like a house on fire a proper team spirit on and off the pitch and it’s showing sitting 5th in the Championship.
There’s an awful lot to be said about the changing room harmony, that feels good factor and right now it doesn’t look or feel like we’ve any.
There’s so much that needs fixing at the club because fans and players alike are losing that passion and it’s showing in our performances and the alot of fans have turned their backs on the club.
There’s so much wrong with the club from the top to the bottom it will take an almighty effort to put right and I don’t think I’ll ever see those dizzy Premiership heights back at the club.
The perfect scenario would be a hybrid version of Maloney’s passion for the club, his player understanding and management skills coupled with Lowes never scared of change and no fear a formation change and sub when it’s needed.
Just a shame Maloney read too deep into the Martinez and Guardiola handbook on how to play the game or he’d have been a total sucess.
