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I noticed that, the whole place seems to be run on crumbs,
We all know the saying
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys
Some of the security staff could break wind nevermind a scuffle.
I’m just waiting for the West Stand to be cordoned off in the corner so when a club brings lets 500 or less they can close the North End hence penny pinch. Then the away fans can freely drink beer and walk through the concourse.
I bet Lowes thinking wtf have I done to deserve this ??. I said last year the whole place feels like a dull grey lifeless club with no soul or passion.
I’ll still say the best time we had for the feel good factor was under Talal.
We all know the outcome but for that short period of time we felt good and had hope.
Right now, I’m so close to not bothering. I know quite a few who have given up the ghost and no longer bother.
Weres the next gen gonna come from if we don’t ?, sad times. To me the catalyst was the Bolton game. Since then everything seems to have got gradually worse both on and off the field.
One minute we’re thinking, play offs here, the next minute relegation here
We’ve become the Man Utd of League One but without the funds to remove bad apples from the squad.
For me the overriding issue was, when all those players contracts ended and the squad was decimated we patched holes with unknowns and not wanted players for peanuts and free.
Like working on luxury flats refurb then asking the customers to move in without doing any work.
Dansons took over and we sat tight with a massive wage bill, clear it, and tried to build it on the cheap with unwanted players from lower leagues.
Lowes now discovered that unlike his counterpart up at Horwich he will get nothing.
Tickle will leave and the funds will go into no doubt propping up the rugby along with Carragher money.
I went an EFL trophy game and the end entrance leading to the seats was closed to save on the cost of a steward, the shutter was down, I’m not sure H&S would look upon that.
No scoreboard or announcer obviously to save on someone talking and pressing buttons.
My point is, if we’re that tight then what chance has Lowe ?. Maloney was sold false dreams and so has Lowe. He must have thought “I’ve hit the jackpot here, billionaire owner I’ll piss this League.”
Look at the squad, look at the quality, I see 2 possibly 3 the rest look unarsed don’t care, don’t give a toss. It’s a shambles of a squad with by the sounds of it with a few bad eggs stirring the paddle of discontent shit.
Lowe will get sacked not backed and the next guy will come in thinking the exact same as Maloney and Lowe.
At least with Lowe he’s “trying” to bring an attacking style of play, 2 up front 3 at the back. But the players are either not good enough or not responding to what he wants. If he plays 5 at the back one up top folk will be saying Maloney 2.
I watched his punditry at the end of the Huddersfield v Norwich game and to me he had a slight across the bow dig.
He basically said that certain clubs who can spend 1.2-1.5million on a player have all the pressure. He sounded like he’s saying, pressure? that counts me out cause I’ve spent f**k all !!.
For me let’s see change, drop these nobheads who don’t wanna play and get the fook shut !. Danson has to dip to help Lowe bring in or else were cooked.
I would sooner see Brenan Rodgers Graham Millar and others lobbed in here there and every where than end up in a relegation dog fight with a bunch of moaners and bellend non tryers.
My last point, can someone please explain why we signed Darcey and Mellish 2.5-3.5 year deals then loan out and replace with players no better.
I just hope Joe Riley is working his sack off for a Christmas outgoing & influx of players because with this current lot we will go down there’s no question of that, certain players want Lowe out.
We’ve had worse squads I get it
But
And a humongous
But
I cannot think of a squad were there’s been so much rumoured discontent bad apple dummy spitters and downing tools players and a manager making it publicly known.
They should send the moaners out on a weeks job swap scheme. Send them on a building site or 12 hour nights slinging boxes in a warehouse.
They need a fcukin serious reality check
I’m always baffled when a club sign a player, then a few games later loan him out, sign a replacement on loan no better than the player they’ve loaned out.
Mellish and Darcey were both signed on 3.5 & 2.5 year deals then loaned out a few months later.
I actually thought Mellish was growing into the job ok. He use to put himself about and just didn’t look fit tbh.
My point is, who the f**k is picking these players in the first place if a couple of months later their gone ??.
Were masters at this game, I’ve lost count the number of players we’ve signed then loaned straight back out then loan back in players who are average and cannot even get a game at their own club.
Saydee ?, he’ll be gone soon enough. To me he clearly looks like he doesn’t want to be here, whether it’s a case of, he can’t settle or he doesn’t get on with the manager I don’t know but something isn’t right and I’ll explain why I think this:-
In Lowes post match analysis after the Wycombe defeat he mentioned about certain players not picking up stuff (putting things away) after training and cleaning boots ??.
Now to me if this was a simple keep telling players like kids and a messy kids bedroom he wouldn’t mention it but it’s clearly annoyed him so much to the point that, he felt the need to tell the press which is alarm bell ringing time.
I never heard any manager come out with something so petty in an interview so to me he’s had a dust up with one or two over what’s probably petty things but they’ve mushroomed out of all context and because he’s the gaffer he’s like a dog with a bone.
I’ll bet anyone £20 that the current changing room is Chernobyl toxic with players, managers and staff clashing. I bet you can cut the atmosphere with a knife and it’s spilling into training and our match day performances.
Lowes facial expression in his interview and the way he mentioned about, “if you don’t do as your told your out” could make us or break him.
There’s no way we can from being electric in that opening day fixture to this. 8 players out that opening day started or featured against Wycombe.
There’s definitely something not right 100%. Some owners will back the manager when a changing is lost take Utd with Rashford and Garnacho. But we’re not Utd and we simply don’t have the funds to get rid and bring in replacements. And let’s not forget, we’ve an owner who, if he opened his wallet in the changing room every player would pull out an asthma inhaler.
I’m sorry but we all know how this one’s gonna end for Lowe,
like Dick Dastardly, he’s destined to lose
I’ve come away confused, I’m not sure what’s going on but it’s not happening for Lowe. I want it to go well for him simply because he started off so well.
Is it Lowe or is it the players ? that’s the bit I’m confused with or is it a bit of both ?.
We’re playing with three up front
Ooooops sorry, one forward because I don’t class Saydee or Costelloe as potential goal scorers.
There’s a problem and to me it doesn’t look good.
Has Lowe lost the changing room?. Someone said the players aren’t happy with the super intense training methods basically over cooking the players.
Whatever it is it needs ironing out
A.S.A.P
I realised after I typed it but for me it’s still an absolute bellend ruling that should be scraped for me, you sign him for 12 months, pay his wages you should be able to play
I’m not so sure that was the reason Costelloe was left out I think it was more of a formation thing. We played with the one up top so it would be pointless having 2 forwards on the bench and Mullin would always win over Costelloe.
Also, why was Adeeko left out? same applies to Trevitt and Wright, I’m thinking as your thinking, he’s giving instructions out and their not taking them on board hence young Jack Rodgers made the bench which is brilliant to see.
At least Lowes prepared to change things up especially when it’s not working. He knows he hasn’t got that 2 or 3 quality players that every good side needs so he’s experimenting which we can’t knock.
Overall it wasn’t a sparkling performance but it was all about stopping the rot so 5-4-1 was for me the right thing to do.
There’s nothing we could have done about that joke of a pen but at least we managed to score and what a ball by Saydee to Murray and same goes to Murray, a top finish.
But yeah, I hoped Lowe wouldn’t take the same path as Maloney sticking to the same system and players so I’m glad he’s brave enough to swap mix & match.
The simple truth is, we have a decent average squad not much flare all about effort.
As the saying famous saying goes:-
“insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
Lowes proving if you work hard and play to a game plan your in (oh and scouse)
It’s all about the depth of the squad, and ours is a kiddies paddling depth. 2 up front would work but 2 out the 3 forwards are lacking so Lowe needs to revert to one up top.
Is it just me been a bellend but is M.Smith a creative midfielder and not a holding midfield ??.
This is the 2nd manager who’s stuck him in front of the defence. Did Maloney leave Martinez’s handbook on the side for Lowe?.
I personally don’t think the players are playing for him and Lowes tactics don’t help.
3 at the back, 2 wingers trying to defend and a disorganised midfield isn’t helping. Cardiff were for large parts of the game playing 2-4-4 or 3-3-4.
They made sure they high pressed and kept Hungbo and Murray busy defending which meant we were trapped and pinned down for large parts of the game.
So what did we do ? well we rolled the ball out to Kerr Fox Aimson and tried to play it out from the back or kick long and lose it.
We play with 2 forwards and Saydee’s job is to get the ball, hold it up, draw players in and give the likes of Hungbo or Murray a chance to get up and support Mullin or a Midfielder.
Ball goes to Saydee
He loses it time after time
Hungbo and Murray are then too scared to go forward incase their caught out . So for me the lack of someone been able to grab the ball and hold or lay it up the top end was our issue, Saydee and Costelloe and Mullin didn’t make it stick
If that ball just keeps going up top then keeps coming back your basically fecked.
Take nothing away from Cardiff they have that bit of quality we lack. Quick players and a solid defence they’ll definitely be in the shake up for sure.
As previously pointed out about Bolton, they went through us so easy using width and we couldn’t deal with it then they go and get tonked 2-0 by an average Northampton side, that’s worrying form on our part.
Then lets look at our squad as a whole, and look at the bench, who do you bring on that could kick start us ? that spark?,
No one
Our squads lacking and Lowes ripping his grey out because there’s certain players that are clearly not trying hard enough and some that completely ignore his pre match tactics and plan.
For me with the players we’ve got we cannot play Lowes system, better players yes, current squad most definitely not.
3 at the back and 2 make shift wing backs? No no no
2 up front ?
No no no especially when the forwards are playing so poor at holding it up and bringing other players into any attack.
It has to be 4-5-1 for me, 4 defenders, period, let’s first of all get control of the defence let’s first defend, and stop conceding it has to be our priority.
4 defenders
2 wingers
3midfieldets
Mullin up top
M.Smith in more of an attacking mid roll orchestrating play
If we had 3 better centre half’s 2 natural wing backs yeah go 3 at the back but yesterday we were 5 at the back asking to attacking wingers to play left and right back, ludicrous.
It’s horses four courses and our first and formost job is to stop leaking goals stop losing.
We’ve now won 2 in 10 league & cup and conceded 10 in our last 5 winning 1. First job stop the rot. If this means 3 x 0-0’s then so be it. We need to be harder to break down and rely on the counter with wingers outside more forward.
Anyway, I’d like to be a fly on the wall when a player v coaching staff have it out Sunday and the players can hopefully get Lowe to consider changing things up system tactically because currently there not working
Lowes interview is basically throwing the gauntlet down and calling the players out. This can go one of two ways, 9am in on a Sunday? he won’t make many friends doing that.
Saydee,
His job was to get hold of the ball, shield it, pass, move. If the receiver of his ball fails it doesn’t matter Saydee’s done his part,
But
Saydee didn’t hold anything up. I’m surprised his shorts stayed up. From that first game he’s gone downhill faster than Parbold Hill in a Ferrari.
Don’t get confused, Hungbo and Murray are 100000% not wing backs wingers yes, wingbacks most definitely not.
Saying that I thought Hungbo did brilliant defensively considering the amount of pressure he was under which in turn stopped us going forward both Murray and Hungbo were too busy defending for most of the game
But at the end of the day,
We’re not good enough, we don’t have that quality were 2 years off due to 2 managers not been backed.
The straight bottom line is, the quality throughout the club is not there. We can talk discuss argue about players and starting line ups but the depth of the squad is paper thing.
Were 2-3 first team players missing and were a totally different side.
I do not think it’s a coincidence that when we lost against Luton, Salford, Bolton and Wycombe Adeeko started.
For me the lads a liability. He constantly fails to track runners and they seem to be able to breeze past him care free his tackling for large parts is poor.
He has these big lapses in concentration were opposition can easily go past him and it kills us but for some reason when he’s fit he’s in.
Central midfield is the one position we’ve plenty of cover when fit with 8 possibly 9 fighting for 3 places.
M.Smith, Trevitt, Wright, Cooper, Brenan, Weir, Francois, even Murray but for some reason Adeeko’s straight back in.
I was only praising the way Smith Wright and Trevitt dealt with Doncaster hounding, harassing then quickly winning the ball back, they had a good understanding of each others on field role covering each others backs which is key.
They protected our back 3 against Doncaster only for Lowe to break the trio up it for the Bolton game when it wasn’t broken and look what happened.
It’s a key position that midfield role and most games are won or lost there with around 50% of most games taking part in the middle of the park and wide mid.
We’ve Cardiff Saturday and if we start with a makeshift back 3 and Adeeko in front we might just struggle.
We desperately need to invest in the squad. We can’t keep having huge amount of player turn over every year basically 10 to 14 out in every summer. We need 4-5 decent quality players who can help the younger lads hence why McManaman’s here.
We need people like him who are passionate about the club that remind others we’ve a fighting underdog spirit at the club otherwise we’d end up with a bunch of wage bill players passing through till they find bigger and better things or their here to end their days.
Fingers crossed for Sat no matter who plays every player on that field for that 90 minutes will get my support regardless but the away results coupled with the last 2 games at best I can us finishing two thirds of the way down the table 10th-16th I’d say
Scott Smith was a strange one and Weir puts himself about Weir does alot of donkey unnoticed work and he’s adaptable to a few positions but right now we cannot play 3 at the back it has to be 4 no arguments till at least certain players come back.
I’d bring L.Robinson in at least he’s passionate has some fight to him and first and for most he’s a feckin defender.
Let’s go 4-4-1-1 (2 forwards) or 4-5-1
4-4-1-1 (2) Saydee behind or upsides Mullin or 2 central mid, 2 wide and a loan striker. If Saydee’s help the midfield 2.
I prefer 4-5-1, 3 central mid, one attacking i .e. M.Smith but get him in as an attacking mid orchestrating mid/left/right. We have to get goals from not just our forwards they have to come from everywhere.
I personally feel we’d get more out of say Mullin poaching off good build up play then popping up in the right places than trying to hold it up 30 yard out.
I’m not sure why both Maloney & Lowe both drop M.Smith back into a holding role when I think he’s easily the most creative player we have. If he’s moved forward I’m sure over a season he’d chip in with a few goals but he won’t get many stood in front of Aimson.
First and for most we need to stop leaking goals. It’s not just leaking them it’s the manner of those goals conceded. Wycombe’s second was straight out:-
“The Book of Amateur League Football, how to”
But I can, you can, the whole club can see the squad as a whole is a candy floss squad light in quality not numbers.
I sensed in some of the wording of Lowes post match interview that I don’t think he’s best pleased with the quality of this summers recruitment.
He subliminally mentioned the squad in his interview similar to remarks he made at Preston which we all know how that ended but I’ve got to say Lowes right. He knows he needs that touch of quality and it ain’t coming that’s for sure.
I reckon hes been forced to loan out Darcey and Mellish J.Smith before he could bring someone in and them three (and a few more tbh) were the sacrificial lambs.
It’s no were near the finished article not even close but against Wycombe (who made 11 changes) it was worse than Bolton in my eyes.
Why you might say,”That weren’t as bad as Bolton!” But after Saturdays poor performance and result then a cup game 3 days later it was the perfect opportunity for the players to respond and a couple of fringe players to get a chance against a lesser opposition but all’s I saw was a shrug of the shoulders performance totally lacking in passion, energy and not one ounce of quality.
If we play 3 at the back and play like Saturday and Tuesday we will get tonked
At the end of the day we have a very rich owner who will not part with it. No one’s saying do a Birmingham or a Wrexham but support your manager. We need I reckon 3 decent money spent signings on 3 year deals to build round and a strong midfield unit and captain.
All over midfield look like 10st 1500m runners when really 1 or 2 should look like 14st 100m sprinters sh*thouse wall size comes to mind
As for Adeeko?, not good enough and Macca ? legend but I think he’s here for the changing room. He’ll end up as Lowes assistant at some point, watch this space
And listening to Lowes post match comments he’s spot on,
No shots on target,
Poor second goal to concede,
Those who came in to stake a claim failed miserably,
The perfect opportunity missed for a potential big night in the last 16 gone,
Simply not good enough.
As I have said before, there’s a fine line with winning or losing a changing room so Lowe needs to walk that line carefully.
He looked like deep down he was seathing a very unhappy manager with the back to back performances, to him, unacceptable.
I’m all for roastings and bollockings but he needs to be careful who you and when you call folk out and definitely not in public because it can easily turn on you in the blink of an eye
We had the perfect opportunity to enter into the last 16 and a potential money spinner something we desperately need.
Now it might just be me but, why was the scoreboard not working ? save on paying someone to operate it? no one announced the sides.
Then the shutters were closed from the concourse to certain entrances, why? save on paying a steward to man the opening.
As for the game?, worrying. That’s 6 in 2 and with an in form Cardiff on their way.
Couldn’t tackle save our lifes,
No shots on target and their keeper didn’t have to make a save. 2 corners to 8 to Wycombe shows which way the traffic was going.
I don’t know a player or manager who walks onto a field of play hoping they’d lose.
If this was the EFL Trophy granted I couldn’t care less but to get to the last 16?, for me there’s cracks appearing.
Preston fans and Plymouth fans alike pre warned us of things to come with Lowe but you kinda put that down to sour grapes but I personally feel the cracks are slowly appearing and last night’s stats were ugly against a fairly strong Latics sides no kids so to speak.
It’s mish mash style of football that I can’t get my head round and I’m not quite sure what we’re trying to achieve.
Balls going into the air in the box with no one in there to head them, utter pointless but we kept trying it over and over again with no success.
Then, the dreaded, pass forward turn go back has suddenly crept into our game.
Couple this with Saturday up at Horwich and a few away performances this season we’ve had 2 matches were I’ve thought, Jesus we could nick a play off spot only to play the likes of Leyton Orient Bolton and Wycombe and think, Jesus if we play like that we’ll be in a bottom of the table dog fight.
I’ve said it before, it’s all about consistency and we’ve exactly none. We can’t blame poor performances on injuries as every week we’ll have a min of 2-3 missing that’s football so when they are missing we have to perform better than that.
The one player who I’m less impressed with is Costelloe, I think he struggles with the physicality of the L1. He never gets the better of a centre half and always seems to be on the wrong side of the defender.
I don’t know, I’m lost, what seemed like a good plan and a side of hungry players at the beginning of the season and a brave manager is now turning into a kick n rush side that’s simply been mopped up by the opposition.
As for Wycombe? they played well, chased every ball down up till the end a super fit and hungry side.
It will be interesting to see if we go 3 at the back against Cardiff because they play 4-5-1 and they’ll flood us for sure just like Horwich.
This is all down to recruitment, our squad is not good enough. Bar Tickle I don’t see one Latics signed player who you would say, he’s exciting, he’ll go for top dollar, not one.
I was hoping Rodrigues and Asamoah would come in and show he manager why he should pick them and both sadly failed to impress.
I don’t know, I’m sat typing looking up scratching my head thinking are we a decent side just not playing well or has the cloak dropped to the floor revealing who we really are?
Juries out but if we’re to even think of a top 10 spot we have to at least look competitive against the Bolton’s Leyton Orients and Cardiff’s Saturday will tell me more. We need to turn up even if we lose just turn up
With a fit squad, defenders and Saydee and 4 at the back that game would have been a it tighter.
2 have 3 of your main players out then go 3 at back made no sense what so ever
But Adeeko?
He got in before Wright who’d played well the week before and Cooper who when all said and done is an international player that for me was a bonkers moment.
We should have started 1 up top and for me 5 in the middle 4 at the back and doubled up on their wingers and without compromising the middle of the park.
Wright in the middle L.Robinson at the back belt & braces football against, let’s face it a better side.
Adeeko should be no more than a bit time player for me he’s a liability .If we’re to progress then we need better midfielders on from the start and right now either Wright or Cooper should start.
Rodrigues has to 1 million percent start. I saw enough in that 45 minutes to think with minutes he’d improve massively.
Also Asamoah Jr his pace alone can scare the shit out of any opposition so hopefully we see the pair tonight along with Cooper
