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Danson certainly sold Maloney up the garden path with his non existent budget.
I’ve said it a 100 times, the club feels dead from the feet up. I see Stockport have given us just over 800 tickets.
If you have surplus cash and you can afford to pay the monthly “Future Funds” then you’ll stand a chance.As for those who can’t but prefer to spend their money travelling up and down the country every away day you’ll shit out because I’m sure after the priority day to Future Funds (Thursday) has gone there’ll be fcuk all left Friday.
There should be an away day voucher scheme were you collect points on a system and the loyalist fans get first dabs not the fookin richest.
Fook me were only in L1 and those in power are grabbing like fook trying to get blood out a stone especially in today’s day and age were everyone’s struggling
Wow,
Just listened to Maloney’s post match interview, was he at the game ? because he talked about a different game to the one I saw.
Heaped praise on 2 very good sides in Lincoln and Stevenage. Then, we lacked that final edge up front, well sub your forward, his interview is cringeworthy.Then to top it off he decided to draw a favourable comparison with tonights performance to last year’s against Stevenage, how is that possible ?. We are a virtually total different football team.
I’m lost honestly I’m lost for words, then finally were 7 games in and he reckons it still feels like a pre season, well he better start head wobbling a few players.
Na he’s not for me, I’ve tried and I’m still trying but I’ve lost patience and faith there is no method in his crazy style of…..
I nearly said football again there
It doesn’t really matter about changes, players should buy into the way a manager wants to play. Granted the individual quality will certainly differ between 1st and 2nd choice players but the style of play shouldn’t.
And that’s my issue wtf is Maloney’s style of play ? Jesus wept. I watched an excellent performance against Birmingham and Bristol Rovers followed by a wet flannel dour display against Lincoln then this ?.
I said against Bristol Rovers it was good to see us shifting it quick from back to front players running with the ball I honestly thought we were turning it around
Then,
Tonight we’ve taken 10 steps back,
Slow build up,
Players scared of running with the ball,
This insessive passing back at every opportunity raised its ugly head to the point it was becoming a joke.Then after scoring 2 goals via straight corners at Bristol the Maloney short corners are back with vengeance. Even when we play the short corner it’s not long before it’s back in Tickles hands.
The one position that needed changing in the 2nd half was up front Taylor had bombed it round all night and he should have been replaced late on for Stones a bit of muscle and fresh legs up front but Maloney has made it clear as day Stones ain’t wanted at the club, he’d play Chambers up front before him.
Tell me this,how many times does Maloney leave a forward on for the full 90 ?.Then there was minutes left, we get a throw in 5 yard from their corner flag, time to push for a winner. It then gets thrown back then hoofed back to Tickle. From two movements we’d gone from attacking passing it back the length of the field that ain’t f##kin right at any level not even under 8’s.
For me I’m seeing a bunch of players who have been drilled to keep possession and do not risk take plus if you have the slightest doubt, go back, do not risk take, safety first.
The players at times look lost, confused, as if they were on a footballing blind date and they’d never trained together. There’s no method purpose or basic tactic. Maloney by now should be instilling his style but theres a problem with that he doesn’t have one.
It’s belt & braces football on the fly, make it up as you go along and stomach churning hard to digest.
Crowds are dropping, fans are finding hard to watch and we’ve a manager who is void of any individual style. I see BBC Sport and Livescore had tonights attendance listed as 1,419 obviously wrong but believe you me when I say at this rate it won’t be long before were back to Springfield Park crowds.
I’m sorry but Maloney’s not good enough and for me although I want him to make it work at Wigan its just not happening for him which is a real sad thing to watch.
Were like a marriage were a couple both try really hard to make it work and it’s just not happening eventually the split is inevitable.Had Danson had of backed Maloney better in the transfer window I might not be typing this but saying that I’d still need to see a style a vision some sort of footballing progress plus the main issue here is consistency. As it stands I see none of that and we’re currently a country mile off ever achieving that.
The buck stops with Maloney period, if he conducts his post match analysis in the changing rooms the same way he does in front of the press cameras those players will be leaving the ground feeling awful uncomfortable and more confused than before the game.
I feel the players haven’t bought into Maloney’s faceless style of…….. I nearly said football then
I trying to enjoy it I really am but I’m struggling. BBC CTI feel the managers holding the players back. There’s currently more wrong than right but for me we have no footballing indenity but more importantly,
No Consistency which I think is the key. I don’t think Danson will put up with this çfor too long. His uncomfortable speeches don’t inspire me and by the looks of it neither are the players
As confucius once said:-
What the f##k is going on here pal ??I saw a superb attacking front foot performance against a poor Bristol Rovers then a poor, lack of ideas boring performance against a poor Lincoln City
My point is,
Although before KO you’d be happy with a point you have to be disappointed with it after you see what your opposition have to offer.I’m not saying week in week out we play like we did against Bristol City but we need to be less chalk n cheese hit n miss.
It’s all about consistency and Maloney needs to start getting an even keel rather than a Parbold Hill up & down.As for our attacking formation? I’m still struggling to fathom out were it is or what it’s all about it’s hard to suss out, only time will tell.
@Vat69 I’ve gotta agree, Glen Whelan is a superb appointment, relativity young and very experienced player with 610 games and 91 caps, players will listen to what he says as he’s been there and got the t-shirt shirts and skids.Let’s hope we can start now with Whelan here to gain some consistency and get the midfield working as a unit but that last man up front?, we badly lack that experience
Why does Maloney interview like he’s been arrested?. I seriously cannot watch them without thinking there a load of cringe worthy bollox, so uncomfortable
I’m not too bothered about Bruce and Lang I’m more bothered about Maloney’s tactics
It was clear from the off they saw Rankine as a threat and they doubled up on him. He did well on a couple of occasions but he was been nullified.For me Maloney needed to react seeing Rankine was having a tough time and try something else, he did by taking him off on the hour.
Lincoln were fookin crap and we threw away 3 points by matching Lincoln’s performance especially after last week.
Like I said before the game a points a point but early in the game it was clear to see Lincoln were struggling
Us not performing is not our players
That’s your managerThe key word is
Consistenty
He can’t get 2 good performances back to back.
Again 61% possession with no substance 1 shot on target (plus Aasgaards header) just shockingly bad.
Now some say:-“I’d take a point” correct before the kick off but looking at how poor Lincoln were they were therefore the taking so it’s 2 points dropped for me based on last weeks performance.
How we can be so good 1 week and look so sh!t 7 days later is beyond me. Unless he can bottle the good performances for the week after we’ll just float around the leagueIt’s definitely work in progress but the problem is, how many times do we say this ? It’s yearly re-building a squad every transfer window.
Personally I like S.Smith I think he’s always putting himself about making players rush on the ball pressing which is always an thankless task.
I can see him slotting in at right back as the season goes but Adeeko, I’m afraid he’s going to struggle to get back in.
The key word is consistency, we need at times to get ugly and grind results out. The moving the ball back to front was encouraging along with corners been whipped which lead to two goals.
For me Weir was a breath of fresh air, that missing link from defenders to been on the front foot. You can tell he’s been coached very well.
I see Huddlestones fooked off and dumped us for money. I’d like to be the first to say thanks for fook all good ridence.
I always had a feeling we were nothing more than a stop gap while his CVs were still been flung around like sh*t off a shovel.
He’ll soon be in the CL with Burrr-ming-hame
Only time will tell if he can maintain the form to a point. If we play like Rovers and Brum we’ll do ok but if we revert to his possession style slow build up then launch it to the widemen were f*cked.
Look, I want him to do well but he needed to try something else and now it looks like the pennies dropped.
There’s an old saying it’s “Horses for courses” which means play to your players strengths don’t try to make them do what doesn’t suit.
Do we want Weir sat in the middle passing left right back ? No we want him driving forward drawing players making space.Utter waste of time and pointless tippy tappy football at L1 level, direct in your face front foot football is the way forward.
No one would complain if we played like Saturday and lost as long as we go down trying giving it a go it’s the only thing we all wanna see1st thing I noticed about yesterday, the decision to whip the ball in from corners.
Chambers corners dropped right into the danger zone and on a good day lady luck shines on you hence 2 goals from 2corners yesterday.
I know one thing, tippy tappy short corners are sh*t and don’t work for us so why Maloney insisted on short corners for so long is beyond me.I say whip the f**ker in and take your chance. Chambers proved he’s the man for that. Also I’ve noticed we’ve started to move the ball faster back to front and utilising wide players.
My gripe is, one man and his dog, cat and budgie have been screaming for these changes to be made and now that Maloney has suddenly started to adopt these changes we look like a different animal.
I’d sooner lose 4-3 than 1-0 attacking front foot football than the tippy tappy out from the back and followed by a 40yard up n under and the f**kin annoying short corners.
Let’s hope that Maloney has seen that, although he prefers the Martinez possession style of football playing it out from the back trying to draw opposition players out L1 sides don’t come out they sit deep and wait.
My fear is he will slowly fall back into his old ways like he did from Birmingham to the 2 cup games.
Yesterday he must have seen that front foot move it quick less passes getting it forward suits us to a tee but I’m not sure he can stick to it
Consistenty is the key and I personally don’t think he can stick to it without falling back into his old waysLook we had a very good win against a side who on the day were awful to the point the towel and white flag went in.
Their keeper for me should have saved all four goals gifting two of them but fair do’s to us you still have to bag them.Another thing without Adeeko we looked far better in the middle, I’m sorry to say but he’s just not good enough so I tip my hat to Maloney for dropping him.
Rankine for me was motm he caused no end of problems. But let’s see if Maloney can keep the win train going and another 3pts next week.
His issue is consistency. He can’t seem to mirror a fine display the week after. We need a settled side and be on the front foot from the word go, none of this tippy tappy sh*t from the back width and go for itYep brilliant performance onwards and upwards, we should have bagged at least 2 more but not gonna grumble. I think their keeper will be distraught gifting 2 goals nightmare of a game.
And glad to see Horwich Utd matched our result
Against, signing on time for Evatt
I’ve always said, the first few games players are shagged saying “Not match fix yet”
Then some players get injured pushing too hard too early. Then those who weren’t “Match fit” string a few games together they become tired/over playedIs there ever a time when players are fit to go feel good match fit ??. This isn’t the first time we’ve brought players in who’ve spent most of their summer sunning it with a beer and a BigMac.
Wait till November December they’ll be dropping like flies
I mentioned that, would 3 or 4 experienced players actually make a difference when he tactically sets up the way he does ?.
There’s no way on this planet the majority of those players that have come to the club in the summer are Maloney targeted players.Most have little or no match day minutes under their belts and I just cannot see us watching reserve games hunting for 20 year old prospects.
I honestly can’t fathom it, Maloney might simply be a poor manager but right now he has an excuse “Those players are not the players I targeted”.If only he could sum up the will to play like we did at the end of last season were players were given licence to run with the ball, we might just shock a few sides but his belt & braces style of football doesn’t allow for that.
As it stands we need to get behind the manager and players it’s no one’s person fault it’s a combination of numerous owners and managers that have lead to this.
First of all we must understand this:-
There has to be a balancing of the books before there’s any kind of investment, that I totally understand and agree with. There are too many clubs sailing along that financial fine line were, if their owner suddenly decides enoughs enough and they put their wallet back in their pocket the club could potentially sink overnight.
Danson took over Latics with a huge Championship wage bill and a bunch of non performing players. He shouldered this cost for 12 months and I’m pretty much sure the money coming in did not go anywhere near to covering the wage bill and daily running cost of the club for the past 12 months.
Now you might think I’m a Danson arse licker, far from it I’m stating facts were all forgetting about. No one can deny that when the Bahraini Binmen screwed up you didn’t think like me “Were cooked here !” and 10th tier football was heading out way I for one thought it was lights out for us I truly did.
Danson hasn’t got to were he is with his companies been frithful and taking huge risks he is a shrewd businessman who I’m sure is someone who makes calculated risk not gambles that will always lean in his favor.
My gripe is, he will have analysed the daily running cost of the club so he would have been fully aware the amount of money it takes to keep us afloat and how much money he will need to invest (starting this summer) but sadly this has not come to fruition.
I’m not on about splash the cash like a Birmingham far from it I’m on about backing Maloney and allowing him to bring in one or two experienced players to help nurture this super young squad.
That has clearly not happened and Maloney has been left out to dry with what I can only describe as an u23 side in 1st team kit and average age of 23 for 30 players is an incredibly low average age for a side more like Crewe than Wigan, take out Lonegran and that average age drops even lower.
What annoys me is, Danson knew the risk before taking over, he went in with his eyes wide open knowing any football club ownership is a high risk investment and rarely do clubs at this level break even let alone make money.
I’m sure his financial experts went over the books with a fine tooth comb before purchased the club & stadium. It’s as though he’s bought a run down property, he’s priced up the cost of the refurbishment prior to purchase then after he’s bought it he’s changed his mind and thought na, put that on hold let’s just give it a lick of paint.
So why?,
Well my guess is and its nothing more than a guess that he first and formost wanted the stadium and why do I think this?,
Had we have gone into administration I’m sure there might of been a few other interested parties sniffing around simply because we would be sold for peanuts. A stadium and a club for a few million ?.
There’s more and more American investors out there looking for a play toy and I think Danson could have possibly ended up in potential bidding war with other potential buyers entised by the bargain bucket price (which he managed to achieve), no challengers, no competition here’s my price, accepted.
Then there’s my thought, could Danson stand the thought of been a Landlord with his rugby club playing the role of tenant ?, I’m not so sure he could stomach that.
Remember the time when Talal once tweeted about the seats shall we make them all blue ?. I’m sure that infuriated Danson knowing someone was calling the shots on the stadium I know if it was me I’d be proper p*ssed at that remark.
Another thing, if Danson had of wasted time buying the club and the adminstration team had of stepped in he would have had to have had to foot their huge bill. As we all know from our previous encounter, any administrator would always look at trying to sell both Latics and ground together and only split at a very last resort.
My final thoughts are,
Maloney’s had no doubt been promised one thing (I’m sure of that) and the rugby post have been moved this summer leaving him to scrimp around bringing in very young lads with little or no L1 experience in this unforgiving League all on budget weekly wage so as to fit in with Danson’s yearly budget.
So who’s to blame and were does that currently leave us?,
Maloney has to make it work, there’s no point moaning,face pulling, he has to get a tune out these lads regardless of how he’s been treated or were in deep trouble.
He proved it at Birmingham this is possible then destroys the excellent performance at Birmingham with a loss against a very poor Morecambe side.
As for Danson?, I think a good chunk of that Hughes’s money should have gone towards the wages for 2 or 3 experienced players definitely a midfielder and possibly a forward. Every club needs these experienced types of player on and off the field but what we have is a bunch of kids with little or no guidance from senior pros.
You can kind of see what Danson is after, he wants a load of young lads with some potential and an manager to perform miracles with them all, make them potential stars then sell-on for a huge profit using Hughes & Tickle as the template.
For that to happen there has to be and good scattering of experienced players within the squad to bring all these young lads through slowly not simply thrown in to the lions which is currently happening.
I can see both sides of the coin but I also feel Danson has not backed the manager promising one thing then giving him the total opposite for me letting Maloney down in the summer window. The wage budget whatever it may be has been set to an all time low making any kind of promotion challenge impossible.
I hope Maloney can pull this one off and at least keep us in L1 but for me i think he will struggle like hell. The tools he’s been given to complete the task are not of his choice nor are a fair few of the players up for the job but guys, we have to simply get behind them as hard as it may be we have no other choice.
To be honest it’s no one’s fault it’s a combination of 2 previous owners throwing the cash around, both huge mistakes along the way and the EFL for letting it happen.
I honestly think Maloney will crack under the pressure. His post match interviews are of a guy who’s totally frustrated and at times there uncomfortable to watch.His nervousness and frustration in front of camera is clearly there for all to see to the point that, at times he looks like he’s ready to explode, call Danson out then rip the mic off and shout “F*CK THIS!” I’m off.
My only gripe with Maloney is, his tactics which makes him at times he’s own worse enemy and he doesn’t help himself but he’ll always have the argument he wasn’t backed in the transfer market so again, is it Maloney’s tactics or Danson not backing him ? which do you point the finger at?. When I say that, would say 3-4 experienced players make a difference if we play his tactics ? again it’s questionable.
Oh the joys of been a Latics fans never fails to amaze me. The one thing I’ve noticed regardless of Maloney Danson or the players is, there’s a change in the whole atmosphere of the club. If feels clinically cold very them n us we’ve had one speech last week in 12 months and that’s it.
No future plans nothing, no long term plan mapped out it’s just hand to mouth football and the words should be changed to our famous song to:“Let’s hang in to what is left don’t let go boys there’s nothing left…..”
