Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
I would also like to say, I’ll never understand why as a club we never truly tapped into the huge player catchment area for youth, young lads who never quite make it.
We have 4 of the biggest clubs in Europe let alone the UK on our door step and we still haven’t tapped into their youth overspill.
The scouting system has been awful for years. Any new owner needs to tap in and build a side on youth and selling on.
It’s the only way we can survive. I hope I’ve heard it wrong but Bettoni won’t be signing so something’s not right.
For a guy who’s made his fortune playing the numbers game he’s not done a very good job with us has he.
I said from day one when he bought the club he wanted the ground nothing else we were like a sticky bob he needed to shake off.
Danson doesn’t care so the sooner he fooks off the better and as for him wanting to retain 20% ?, why?? no thanks I’d sooner have Choi.
Last night Caldwell got this one totally wrong he’s the guy to blame. McManaman should never start, period. Wtf was he thinking ?? unbelievable. He’s been a great servant but as a starting player that’s gone sorry.
M.Smith isn’t arsed to me he looks like his agents already sorted next seasons move out and he’s going through the motions so he doesn’t get injured.
Moxon?, his ball distribution is absolutely fookin awful he’s simply not good enough and as for Saydee ?, all’s I can say is, he must train like a tiger because Lowe and Caldwell prefer him. He can’t hold it up, can’t run, can’t score.
But for me last night it simply highlighted our squad issues that we missed Wright and he wasn’t good enough for Plymouth. Plymouth looked, stronger, faster, but the one thing, direct. No faffing straight wide ball in 1-2 passes.
Danson’s done a cracking job of straightening the books, but while he’s been sorting out all the local companies to sponsor/advertise and pumping millions into the women’s game he’s let the men’s side go to rack & ruin with zero onfield investment leaving us on the brink of L2 and potentially even worse squad for next season.
But the burning question is, who will want to buy some Christopher Park, half a dozen players and some bibs and balls for a so called £10milllion??
Out the bottom 5 clubs around us we play 4 of them and if we play like we did in that first half and against Blackpool we will go down that’s nailed on.
And, with L2 looming rumour is Bettoni is refusing to go into talks till we see what league we’re in.
Come on chaps, settle down a bit here Christ. Raphael actually played a big part in the goal and he’s learning every game.
Hungbo comes on and starts to go past tired legs exactly the same as Wildschut use to do so he’ll always impress but if you start him ?? Its a different story.
Like plenty others Matt Smiths hasn’t set the world on fire of late so Caldwells trying to find who’s best were.
Saydee?, have to agree, it’s like we’re playing with 10 men, he also looks huge like he’s found Greggs and Greenhalgh’s on the same day. He looks at least a stone overweight. I know he’s a big fella but he struggles to get around. Then there’s the backing into players and going to ground.
If he’s not scoring, not laying or setting up, not chasing tackling what is he doing ?
I mean it’s as clear as day which ever way you paint it, it’s a poor squad. There’s the odd one or two but Caldwell’s got a serious job on his hands in the summer.
Might be worth having a sniff at Jayden Wareham at his old club. He’s just coming to the right age 23 in May. He must have something if Chelsea gave him pop a few year ago when he was a kid.
But for me Caldwell plays similar to Lowe so I just cannot see things changing overnight and I personally think this will go to the wire a last day job.
The only one I’d sign right now would be Wright. There’s something about his style that’s good on the eye and he always puts a shift in, rarely does he have a bad one.
I’m not saying he’s a world beater or he doesn’t deserve to be sent out on loan all’s I’m saying is, when your in front in a game it’s nice to have a very quick player stood on the half way line, opposition players know this and ah*t themselves into mistakes
If he doesn’t fit then off he goes but at the end of the day
It’s business,
Without him the club wouldn’t have had a big payday at Arsenal because he changed the game at Preston. His pace when one on one is frightening.
Now I get it on one hand, young lad, arrogant, whatever but he proved at Preston he’s worthy but wasn’t even on the bench the next game.
Put yourself in his shoes, you do a blinder of a job the gets dropped. I’m sure anyone one of us would be fuming. We’ve all worked with people we can’t stand but were paid to do a job regardless.
Anyway he’s gone.
As I pointed out last time
Moseley
He’s 21 this year now some will say, “Too young” – “No experience” well there’s only one way to do that, like Baines, McManaman, Lang, Adeeko, Aasguard and a good few more
Play the fookin lad
We’ve already made Taylor good enough to price ourselves out the market so why not get the likes of Moseley this Sat, minimum he should be making the bench from here on in.
I read he scored a cracker this week for the academy so I don’t see why he can’t be mixing it with the first team he’s not 16 17 he’s 20 going on 21 and he needs minutes
I just hope he’s not the new Josh Stones, never used and sold (he scored twice mid week).
We’ve a few very good young lads knocking about so why not use them rather than pay stupid loan money wages on the like of Ollie Cooper who stunk the place out.
I’m lost to be honest,
Bringing in a small army of loanees is not “Self Sufficient” it’s called “Borrowing” bridge loaning till the season after.
We’re struggling for left n right wingbacks or versatile players so we loan out Mellish who can play the left wingback role quite good scoring against Walsall for MK Dons.
8-9 players sent out on loan 6-7 brought in and not all kids. I’m not quite sure why Kai Payne, Mellish, Brennan or even now injured Millar were booted out it can only be put down to piss poor Mr.Magoo recruitment.
The signing of players then a few months later then sent out on loan just highlights how bad our recruitment process is.
The table doesn’t lie, both Lowe and Caldwell play very similar systems and without players who can play in that system it’s very hard to see how things will change.
I’ve a feeling Asamoah’s had a ding dong and Caldwell’s got him out the door asap and to be frank, that I think is the last we’ll see of him at Wigan.
For me it’s time to give Moseley a slot on the bench this weekend and stop cotton wooling our brightest kids.
Peterborough recently unveiled a 17 year old who repaid them with a goal. But round holes square peg systems will always fail in the end.
If we pursue the same Ryan Lowe tactics with loanees I fear for us
Whether we think a shirt tug is a yellow Sessengon knows the rules.
He was one on one, on a yellow and he stupidly tugs him back?, what was the ref meant to do ?.
Not only that, he was basically at fault for a goal. Asamoah’s lunge again, was a red rag to a bull tackle trying to impress.
Taylor can’t play Sat which means we haven’t a goal scorer so why not give Moseley a chance or at least make the bench. It’s not like he’s 16-17, the lads not far off 21 so Sat would be the perfect time to bring him into the match day squad.
Yesterday was worrying, one defender on the bench in young Chapman so we’re is Luke Robinson ??.
My fear is, Caldwell will stick with 3 at the back system and leave us vulnerable down the left & right.
Yesterdays game once again highlighted this wingback problem we have.
I just hope the players can get a grip with it or we might struggle to keep up
The main thing for me was, seeing Caldwell giving out clear instructions throughout the game along with Perkins rather than being sat on the bench, snood up.
At this stage it’s all about man management. The overall style of play/set up was near identical Lowe’s but in the few days Caldwell’s been here you can see the players are buying into it and the intensity was up 6 fold.
When Taylor left the field he made a point of getting Caldwell’s attention to give him a huge. Small things like this show they’ve took a liking to him but this would not have happened under Lowe Taylor would have simply waltzed past Lowe and took a seat, no pat on the back or kiss me arse. Good man mangers know this that it’s a combination of the finer details that bring a team together.
Saydee did well the difference was he was trying to lay it off quicker but I think the foot stamp he received put paid to his night.
One thing that annoys me is, the criticism Weir receives its beyond belief. Weirs game is for me, what he does when we’re out of possession.
Because he’s not putting in 40 diag balls (did do one though) and linking up play or mind bending runs he’s constantly slagged off
What people forget is, he’s constantly moving, little jogs between players, putting pressure on the opposition were as some other players grab a that few second breather he rarely does.
He does a lot of the unsung donkey mule work that gets little praise by fans but it’s a vital part of the cog. A few fans should cut the lad some slack because when he’s not there it’s noticeable.
Matt Smith came off the bench and within a minute put a beauty of a ball through. He slotted into a more advanced role plus a superb tackle on the half way line shows he’s up for it especially after a couple of poor performances.
Caldwell comes across as a very likeable guy, very honest and someone who the players will find very hard to dislike.
I keep saying it, at this level it’s all about man management and bringing a team and it’s spirit together. We don’t have the calibre of player who can turn games, our wins have to come from our players trusting and believing in each and Weds it showed.
If we can avoid the drop there might be one or two of our players who are here on a loan or their contracts end Kerr M.Smith etc who might just think:-
“Hang on a sec, I can feel something happening here, I wanna be a part of this”
The exact opposite thought they might have had only few weeks ago under Calamity Lowe.
For all you dreamers out there here’s one for you:-
If we were to win our 2 games in hand we’d be 9 points behind Huddersfield in 6th in the final play-off spot and 4 points Peterborough in 11th
Dream or Believe ?
Caldwell it is and tbh he’s about the best available.
He got thrown to the lions first time round. He was far too young but he got us promoted.
I heard some saying, “Oh no not him, no thanks”, utter clueless bellend I say.
My only fear is, Caldwell likes to play his preferred way with the 3 at the back. The problem with that is, we don’t have the calibre of player to play with wingbacks.
Hope he can kick us clear of the drop zone starting Sunday and save from any last day shitty pants shoot outs.
I don’t think my ticker could take that like Sheff Utd or Stoke final dayers
Caldwell plays a 3 at the back
We don’t have wingbacks which was Lowe’s downfall.
Whenever a new manager arrives at a club he instills his philosophy on how the game should be played.
The windows closed so let’s say it’s Caldwell who comes in. He plays 3 at the back
What will change ?, we don’t have wingbacks
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
I’ve said it over and over again, it all stems back to the recruitment process. Yes the club won’t always get it right granted but how many times do we get it wrong that’s the issue.
In the 13 years since leaving the Prem the amount of players that have been through this club is truly mindboggling.
How many youth have gone on to play for us and how many have sold on for a big slab of dosh?.
And if they have how much was the manager given from the sale to *improve* the squad ??.
And your answers there on a postcard for every Latics fan to digest. We had at one point 9 signed players out on loan and 5 loans. We played 5 loanees at Peterborough so the recruitment has failed on two accounts signed players and loaned players.
You could get Mourinho and Pep as his assistant but without the correct recruitment, financial backing from owner to manager and lots of young lads from the academy coming through to make some cashflow *self sufficient* will never be achievable, period
For me it stems from the top down like a Christmas tree but all the pines have fell of ours, it’s threadbare.
I’m not here to slate or call but a few problems that stood out to me:
Saydee, rarely did he win his 1 on 1 duals, he was constantly going to ground and losing the ball.
I don’t know why he thinks he has to win it, shield it, then turn the man near the half way line, he over thinks his role.
He just needs to shield, lay, peel off move. A simple tap back or sideways then get moving would do.
He rarely holds then quickly lay it. I lost count how many times he got done and gave it away and he offers zero as a goal threat he’s never in a threatening position for me he has to be dropped, I’m sorry to say not he’s good enough.
Another thing, we never ever attack from the middle…never. everything goes wide at every opportunity. Matty Smith is shit scared of moving into that centre space then looking for a daisy cutter. He prefers to ping it out wide he always goes for the safe option.
Tickle, wtf is it with him not releasing the ball early say from a won corner. Reading played a 1 on 1 on the half way line and twice he rolled it out from the back. The one time he did Taylor had a half decent effort go wide.
It’s belt n braces football and if we’re to survive in this league it’s a simple case of believe in your ability
And
RISK & REWARD
You’ll always find players will listen respect managers who’ve played at the highest level. We need someone with fire in their belly to get us out this rut.
Baines has 348 Prem appearance’s and 30 caps for England not many players can boast that.
I’d always prefer the young, hungry, ambitious manager rather than a Steve Bruce who’d be going through the motions.
And let’s not forget Glenn Whelan’s footballing achievements 610 matches, 91 games for R.O.I.
No player can turn around to either of them and say “You do understand” they’ve both got the pin on badge and the t-shirt.
I think that combo would be perfect partnership packed with experience.
I heard Richie Wellens name thrown in the hat.
Well anyway
We could get Mourinho in but if Danson says his cash cards playing up again nothing will change at the club.
I personally would invest in scouting. There are 1000’s of clubs and players itching to be picked up but if you don’t go to the car boot you won’t find the hidden gem.
As I pointed out before, there are a few clubs who have a back of sourcing out half decent players and we were put to the sword by one of them on Saturday
It can be closer to self sustainable if we concentrate and on the youth. Millar came back injured Brennan on loan at a struggling side.
These young’s lads need nurturing here. We need a big investment in our scouting system.
Lowe recently said “Bettoni is a baby”, that was after he comes on and given the free kick over seasoned pro’s. I personally thought that remark was a bit of an insult
.
Peterborough do a mighty fine job of selling players on with sell-on clauses attached because they know how to scout young unknowns and take a risk.
Prime example:- Kyrell Lisbie
All’s we’ve done is
Sign players
Loan out
Bring loan players in
Loan out all the young lads. I mentioned Leighton Baines as my preferred choice
He was 17 when he made his debut for Wigan before making a 145 appearances. Age means nothing if your good enough
Maloney & Lowe stuck with a system and style which was similar to dragging your nails down a blackboard. I fell asleep at Maloney’s 47 passes to move 47 inches and incredibley painfull watch.
But for me there’s more to it than meets the eye with us. I always say there’s 4 parts to any successful club:-’
1) The owner backing the manager
2) The manager and coaching staff
3) The recruitment
4) The players
For us to to have any kind of success all 4 parts have sing from the same hymn book, right now we’ve lost our voice nevermind sing.
1) The owner backing the manager:-
Danson made it clear from day one that there won’t be any splashing of the cash, he wants us to be “Self sufficient” relying more on home grown talent.
I think most fans would agree with that based on previous owners track record and their failures, this is no doubt the correct way forward for us.
Since Danson took over the club cutbacks have been drastic to say the least with very little spent on the squad.
He took over a club on its knees which were are very grateful for but 3 years on and with little investment on the field we’ve made zero progress.
Every week there’s jobs on offer at the club whether it’s groundsmen physio you name it which to me is a sign to me there’s bigger problems in the background than we know about
Nobody’s saying spend 10’s of millions far from it but you can’t buy a run down property, spend nothing on it then rent it and command top dollar.
For us to compete at any level after what we’ve been through there has to be some kind of on field investment.
Danson has stripped the club to it’s bare bones and the league position shows what happens when you spend nothing. We’ve spent millions on the women’s side fantastic I might add, but for me spent at the wrong time.
1) The manager and coaching staff
When Lowe first came in I thought “Wow” this year might be our year” after that first game then after that we have done nothing but nose dive.
Coaches struggle to get the best out of the players and Lowe’s tactical ability started showing signs of cracks soon after that first game.
Preston fans pre-warned us all and they were spot on. But let’s not forget, he has been given zero to spend and went out 9 players out on loan yes 9. We kicked them them out to only be replaced by players who offer nothing to improve the side
But at the end of the day, the buck stops at Lowe’s door. His persistence of 3 at the back for me was his downfall. Tactically Lowe was poor very poor asking wide players to suddenly be wing backs at this level was crazy and we were undone game after game.
3) the recruitment guys
Right so let’s look at the recruitment team and targets. I got sick to death of us been linked with players only to find out they probably never coming here in a million years, it was nothing more than a smoke screen.
God only knows were they got Moxon from. 9 years he spent in the lower Scottish leagues and Carlisle. It says alot when your taking players on on loan from clubs in the same division, players who aren’t good enough to get into their own clubs starting 11.
If they were any good they wouldn’t be loaned out.
The recruitment has been unbelievably poor to say the least probably the worse January window considering we’re we are I’ve ever known.
Saturday saw us field 5 loanees while we’ve have around 9 players out on loan, please explain ?.
If we carry on operating like this will struggle in L2.
4) The players:-
At the end of the day they are the ones out there and basically the vast majority are not good enough. Defenders making schoolboy errors, midfielders who only know one type of pass, backwards.
I watched Matty Smith against Peterborough and I lost count the amount of times he received the ball and passed it back to a defender.
Gutless, spinless, and a total lack of risk taking sums up our current squad. Even Tickle joined in on Saturday with goal off the bar, schoolboy Under 8’s error.
So who’s next for the electric hair? :-
But if you asked me for a name I heard one mentioned and I thought
Good call:-
Leighton Baines
Apparently a superb coach with lots of admirers
Knows the club
Local and the perfect learning curve for him.
What we don’t need is a dinosaur 65+ year old manager we need new ideas, new system and a fresh young outlook.
Never forget
Baines only ever played for 2 clubs and were one of them.
I’m sure Danson will already have a number of candidates and Lowe’s replacement will be the cheapest on that list
