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We get more fans than the chubsters live with it mutty.

Now please explain Dave why you gave a thank you to that post, I’m intrigued. :huh:

I’m not too worried about Roberto either – I’m sure that he can look after himself.

But I am provoked to respond when the comments get more extreme and the insults get more abusive.

The Bobsessives have never understood that I’m not defending Roberto. If I’m defending anything, it’s truth and common decency.

And now we’ve had more than a thousand replies! We’re just going over the same ground again and again. I’m happy to leave it there.[/quote]
Be careful. You’ll have JR claiming to have blown you out of the water again![/quote]

Not only do you claim to know what Bill Kenwright, his board and all 40 odd thousand Everton fans are thinking, you are know claiming to know what I am thinking.
This is getting funnier by the second.

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Is this your idea of blowing us out of the water again? (You said it about a dozen posts earlier- so I’m not sure why it’s so funny)

Or are you going to defend your opinion and prove mine wrong?

Go on. It’s a debate. Try and post something more befitting of your age.[/quote]

Forgive me Standish but I just don’t feel the need to prove anything to you or indeed anyone else on here. I have my views you have yours, its just that yours are based on what you think people are saying and meaning.
The only thing that will be proven as far as my opinion on this thread is concerned is if Bobby takes Everton forward or not. If he does I will hold my hands up like a pwoper gwone upsy wupsy and say he’s proved me wrong.

Off to Lanzer on Monday for 11 neets so plenty time away from footy banter.

Have you ever sat and thought it might all be a bit of fun?.

Incompetent people at work occasionally make me angry and the wife now and again when she gets a mood on, but this football forum and posters?, I come on here to chill out.

You sound a bit rattled. Was it the ‘little’ comment that got to you? Don’t take offence. It wasn’t aimed at any particular physical attribute, and it was used purely as part of the metaphor.

But anyway, back to the debate:

Seriously, you’re not getting this are you? There’s nothing to squirm out of. Who mentioned the ‘next level’? Certainly not me. Certainly not WGTBarnsley.

Let’s put it another way, if Moyes had not left to go to United, Martinez would not be manager at Everton. Do you agree?

Everton were satisfied with Moyes, and were not pinning all their hopes on going to ‘the next level’ because they simply do not have the money to do that. Do you agree, or do you think Everton have the resources to finish above Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs every season?

Then the respected and highly rated Moyes leaves, and Martinez comes in. But, the fans are unhappy because they wanted a bigger name to attract better players, so Kenwright tells them how ambitious Martinez is by claiming the new manager has designs on getting them into the Champions League.

What was Martinez good at at Wigan? Getting his team to play attractive football, building a decent squad with limited resources, and developing the youth: exactly what Everton needed.

By now surely you realise that what’s said to the football media for the benefit of the gullible has absolutely no bearing on what is said behind closed doors?

So, this fabled ‘next level’ was only ever brought up by the bitter and twisted men (I’ve removed the word ‘little’ – is that better?) on this thread who are willing Martinez to fail and think a measure of that failure is Everton not getting into the top four.

I agree with you in that if Whelan had had no ambition Wigan would never have reached the Premier League. But you can’t compare that plan from twenty years ago to having an ambition today to compete on an even keel with football clubs that are backed by billionaire owners.[/quote]

I’m rattled and you have responded with more words than what in your mates book. Glad to see you feel the need to respond in such detail to my post, gives me a warm feeling that does. :blush:

It will be tough at the top, I’m sure. Michael Owen says, “But, in no particular order, my top four for next season would be Chelsea, Manchester City, Manchester United and Liverpool.”

Arsenal and Spurs are likely to be big spenders too. Everton – with much more modest resources – will have to compete with these big six clubs. And, for the first time, Martinez will face the challenge of Europa League matches.

So your forecast is not very adventurous after all, JR. It will indeed be asking a lot of Everton to finish even in fifth place once again. But the Europa League does offer them an alternative route into the Champions League. Perhaps Everton should concentrate their resources on that instead of the league.

However, there may well be upsets. Rodgers, at Liverpool, will also be leading his club into Europe for the first time. He will have to replace Suarez too. And Spurs and Manchester United will both start the new season under new managers. And who knows how Stoke and Crystal Palace will perform?[/quote]

Are you beginning to have doubts in the ability of Martinez to take Everton forward after all this highest points total malarkey? :huh:

You have made some good points there Barnsley, I wonder if the other two amigos will finally see the light. ;) B) :P[/quote]
As I’ve already posted at least three times, Martinez was not brought in at Everton to ‘take Everton forward’.

He was brought in by them because their highly rated manager had been headhunted by Man Utd.

His goal is to maintain Everton’s position as a top half club on a shoestring budget, but in the process he has also brought on some of their young players and has them playing a style of football that is much more pleasing on the eye than under their previous manager.

The Champions League nonsense was, as I’ve said before, Bill Kenwright trying to appease the disgruntled supporters on the appointment of a manager who just left a relegated club.

There’s little-to-no-chance of Everton making the Champions League (again as I’ve said several times on this thread), and I’m sure Kenwright knows this full well, hence why Martinez was rewarded with a new contract despite not making the top four.

So, in summary, there is no light to see.

And as for the knickers in a twist comment from your previous post, I (and I’m pretty confident most of the others who respect what he’s done for the club) wouldn’t be posting anything about Martinez on this forum if it wasn’t for bitter and twisted little men like you starting up threads in his honour![/quote]

Didn’t start this thread up and bitter and twisted are harsh adjectives from someone who doesn’t know me or the originator of this thread.
“WE” differ in opinion to you, live with it FFS!!.
I’m amazed with your inside information about what BK thinks and does, or could it be you are just surmising and making it up in order to put your argument forward on this thread? :huh:

It looks very much like you and Barnsley are squirming out of the debate on the Martinez taking Everton forward, just the griffster left now.

That comment you made me pish myself laughing, can just see the Everton board and fans sitting round the boardroom table and pub tables saying, well boys what is the target for this year for our beloved footy team….mmm little voice pipes up, what about a champions league place?, all the others look at him, don’t be daft we can never qualify for that with our budget, same little voice pipes up.. what about a major trophy?, all others look round, don’t be daft our Bobbee is going to play some fringe players in the cups,save the legs of the big boys, so we can’t win any of them….., same little voice pipes up….war-about la’s, playing some nice tippy tappy footy and going all out for a place in the top half of the premier league, say a position 7th to 11th?…all look at one another shrugging their shoulders and begrudgingly say OK, well go on then, it’s been good enough for the last 25 years……….who’s coming to Southampton. :lol:

Think about this Standish, then stop interacting with us childish, bitter, twisted little men.

Dave Whelan and the board sat round the table at the JJB , well boys, nice new stadium, semi decent team and manager, what is the realistic plan for our beloved club………………the rest as they say is history and so is Everton’s future if you, BK and all the Everton players and officials, believe that shyte you have just spouted. B) :kiss: