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Half term report for Roberto Martinez
Club – Everton
Played 19 – Won 10 Drawn 7 Lost 2
Points – 37
Position in Premier League – 4th
Comments – Top Four Bob!
You forgot to add 58.3% Judas
The thread will be locked straight after comment 499 because that will pi$$ off the guy who didn’t actually go to Barnsley !Do you think he should change his tag to : Weregoingtobarnsleyexceptme ?
I also would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year.However, please spare a thought for those who are not as fortunate, and for one reason or another may not be able to celebrate this normally joyous time as they would wish.
Also take a moment out and offer a small prayer also for all the loved ones who are no longer with us to celebrate.
Peace and goodwill to all.
Aye agreed.
Just been to a funeral of a good friend this afternoon ( HORC, you’ll remember Malcolm the Man Utd fan ). Fit and healthy but just dropped dead with an embolism. Absolutely terrible day that makes you thankful for every day that you wake up and enjoy. God rest his soul.PJ didn’t hang around to see if he could keep us up a second time and yes RM took us down. But for 3 seasons he kept us up always against the odds, why don’t some people accept this?
The vast majority do. It’s only a few bitter people on this forum who, coincidentally, all seem to play together – thank Christ I don’t know where that pub is – and don’t seem capabale of having their own thoughts. One of ’em thinks something up, the others have to agree.
Most neutral observers seem to find it surprising that Martinez stuck with us as long as he did before trying to further his career.[/quote]
You only become a bitter person when something happens to make you bitter. Check all the lightside / darkside threads and you will see that I was totally behind Bob 100%. Me you, Standish and a few others, fought long and hard to get some posters to understand Bob’s philosophy and tactical approach. He had a vision and stuck to it come what may and tbh, it was that stubborn attitude, that eventually cost us our place in the EPL.
As for this poll, you seem to belittling the posters who think he was a judas. The fact is that “at the moment” the majority of posters seem to have the view that he jumped ship when Wigan Athletic finally became a poisoned chalice and would no longer be an asset to his CV.
You claim that the vast majority of neutrals can’t understand why Bob stayed with us so long, well I’ll try and explain. He had a Chairman / friend that stuck by him when times got tough. Any other chairman would have sacked him long before the FA cup success, 9-1, 8-0, 8 straight defeats, etc. etc. He even told the world that Bob would manage a top 4 club, bumming him up to the hilt. How do you tell DW that you are leaving when he has single hand-idly helped to put you where you are?.The poll may change as more posters can be bothered to take part, but at the moment, like it or not, the votes have shown that there are quite a few supporters who didn’t like the way Martinez dumped us.
You know me Griff, I have my own opinions and have agreed with your views / posts on many occasions, you have a good knowledge of football, but don’t forget there are a lot of others on here that also know their stuff and are entitled to their opinions even if it goes against what you think.
Anyway, I’ve noticed you have not voted yet, you’ve shown enough interest in this debate so get voting and close the gap!. B)[/quote]
Spot on again, JRfatfan !!!!!!!!!!!
To add to WGTB’s tally…
I can’t understand why the term Judas is banded about regarding Martinez.
He never promised to stay with Wigan forever, and it was generally accepted that he’d be moving on to bigger and better things in the near future. Also it’s not as if he moved to Bolton or a recognised close rival of ours.
So why is he Judas?
All he did was move to a bigger club because the right opportunity came up. By all accounts, it was a deal brokered well before we were relegated so it’s not exactly a case of him jumping ship because we’d gone down. Stay up or go down, he was leaving anyway.
Plus, most of those calling him Judas had wanted him replaced for the past three seasons anyway.
So, go on someone, explain why the term Judas is used?
LHL has explained in depth many times his reasons for thinking Bobby is a Judas, you can troll back through the posts if you like, or maybe he might explain again when he next visits the site if he can be arsed.
We’ll leave it up to him eh.[/quote]I’m stil waiting for him to explain how he “knows” that the “only” reason we won the FA Cup is because Martinez told them to go out and don’t worry about losing and “not to play that boring shit I normally ask you to play”
I’m not holding my breath though – he’s doing nothing on this thread to disuade me from my view that he’s full of shit.[/quote]
Let’s put it down to the fact that I’ve had more “one on one” time with Roberto, than you ever will; despite having your hand up his arse on you avatar !
In all honesty, I think most managers could have kept us there with the resources and more importantly the backing he received from D Whelan.
The backing he received from D Whelan?
He had to reduce the wage bill by 25%![/quote]
That still left him with a budget big enough to keep us in the PL.
The backing I was referring to was more along the lines of ‘I won’t sack him no matter what happens’ which is virtually what DW said.
He may have had a few restraints, but the lack of any pressure from above at all more than made up for that.[/quote]Spot on again Horc. Big Dave was emotionally attached to Roberto, he almost considered him as a son; and that’s what allowed Roberto a far greater degree of “safety” than any other former Wigan Manager. Do you think he would have sacked Roberto if he had stayed and the club hadn’t performed any better than under Coyle. I think not !
Anyway, Roberto knew what the task was and signed up. Yes he did implement many positive aspects to the club and our play, but as you point out his win rate was very poor. At the end of the day he will always be measured on hard results and results speak for themselves: he failed and we got relegated. As I had said in previous posts, Roberto never actually claimed responsibility for any of those losses. He always had an excuse or deflected the issues by saying “there are positives that can be taken from the game”. What did he do with those positives ?
I was criticised for suggesting that he was not very bright, because he never put this learning to use. But maybe it doesn’t matter when you are in a “safe job”.
Legend to Judas in four years.Mods – you can unpin the Maribor threads now.The road to Europe starts again against MK Dons.
Can you change you Tag Name from WGTB to Weregoingtoeuropeagain.
How we won the FA Cup. You’ve heard it before – the players were told to go out and play football and enjoy themselves because we didn’t need to play safety first, protect a point rubbish. Hey presto it worked.
It’s not quite as simple as that. There were two notable cup victories, against Everton and Manchester City. In both games, special circumstances affected both teams.
After the home defeat to Liverpool, 4-0 with Suarez scoring a hat-trick, Martinez had to make some changes. For the cup tie at Everton, he introduced Robles for Al Habsi, Alcaraz for Caldwell, Gomez for McArthur and McManaman for Di Santo. For his part, Moyes unwisely brought in Heitinga and Phil Neville. The replacements wanted to make an impression, while Neville had a shocker. Wigan raced into a 3-0 lead. Neville was replaced at halftime and never appeared for Everton again.
The players kept their places for the next league game, and an unchanged team beat Newcastle 2-1. Martinez put his trust in this team and made it his model for the rest of the season.
For the Cup Final, Martinez had to build a team without Caldwell, Figueroa and Beausejour. His choice of McArthur and Espinoza as wingbacks was inspired. Manchester City played with the rumour hanging over them that Mancini would be sacked at the end of the season. They never hit full stride and Wigan deservedly won.
Whether they won or lost the Cup Final, the game at Arsenal – just three days later – represented an enormous challenge for Wigan. In the event, it proved too much for them.[/quote]
You really are as bad as Bobby and believe your own shoite. So why didn’t his “model” overcome Swansea ? It wasn’t the Arsenal game that lost us our place in the Premiership; it was all the other games against average teams where we dropped points that screwed us. In the final analysis he couldn’t muster up one single win out of any of those games to saves us !!!! Inspired you say; more like cloud cuckoo land. Legend to Judas in four years.
But I do love good football – and we haven’t seen much since the Cup Final.
To be fair it was only seen on rare occasions prior to the cup final.[/quote]
Martinez set out to play good football. To be fair, with his squad, it was not sufficient to overcome enough Premier League teams. /quote]
Barnsley, you really do have a bad case of Bobbyitus and just continually gloss over the facts. Don’t blame the squad; he built it over 7 transfer windows and claimed he only needed 4 windows to get the right team. The expectation on him at Wigan was not a Champions league spot ( unlike Everton ), it was merely to assemble a side to compete with the average teams in the lower half of the division – he FAILED. He made some useless signings; some that he bizzarely never gave a fair chance to play. His stubborn approach to tactics, actually cost us too many points in the end. And now for the revelation – How we won the FA Cup. You’ve heard it before – the players were told to go out and play football and enjoy themselves because we didn’t need to play safety first, protect a point rubbish. Hey presto it worked. But Bobby wasn’t brave or bright enough to apply that to at least one league game that might have saved us from relegation. Then his super sized Ego ( must be through his association with Griff )leads us to believe he couldn’t possibly manage in the Championship. Not once in four years did you ever hear Bobby openly accept any blame for a poor result or bad performance; it was either bad refereeing decisions, injuries, bad luck, lack of budget, etc, etc; but never Bobby. From Legend to Judas in four disappointing years !
Roberto certainly had a smile on his face. Arsenal, top of the table by four points, and he came away with a draw!Interesting fixtures at the top of the table this weekend;
Man City v Arsenal
Spurs v Liverpool
Newcastle v SouthamptonSome teams must drop points. Everton are at home to Fulham tomorrow for anyone at a loose end.
I’ll rely on the Statoes to correct me on this; but Fulham was always one of those average teams that we never seemed to get the better of under Bobby Martinez, can’t remember beating them at home ( never mind away ).
Nevertheless, I used to look forward to matches when Bob was in charge.
I dreaded them whilst Coyle was here.
After 40 odd years of watching the Latics I nearly jacked it all in the season before last.
Last season was atrocious in my opinion, but the FA Cup kept me going with the false hope that the Cup style would be adopted in the League.We’ve seen some shit recently, but it hasn’t bored me like the last few seasons in the PL.
Hopefully Uwe Roslers style will be a bit more palatable and we can all start enjoying our football again.[/quote]that too is “Bob on” HORC !
So he went to Utd and won. Big fkin deal. If the Barcodes can go to OT and win, anyone can. Whipping boys of the Prem Utd at the mo ;)And he then goes to the Emirates and draws – wow wee. Not like we never won there is it?
The Evertonians that I know worshipped Moyes just 12 months ago and used to bait me about Bob and Wigan…and are now worshipping Bob, laughing at Moyes and hoping he gets sacked. And what exactly did he do wrong? 4 years of underachievement? No. Relegation? No. No silverware? No.
I have no problem in recognising that Bob has proved that his philosophy – with the right resources – can deliver results. Christ he he gave us s glimpse for 10 or so games. But without the long term resources of the really big teams that will also run out of steam for Everton at some point.
Doesn’t change the fact that he left us in the shit – cup or no cup – and that he was the catalyst for the recent mess we’ve been through. And that’s coming from someone who’s rather enjoying being out of the Prem circus.
Spot on galactic, you’re on the right planet !
Was three at the back a safety first tactic? No, not at all. A bigger budget and a larger squad would have helped.
Perfectly evidenced by Wednesdays and todays performances. Better players.
It was just like watching uas last season part of the time this afternoon.McCarthy was very influential.
I know loads of Evertonians. They all love Roberto now and think young James is a great signing. :)[/quote]
Aye, we gave him un-conditional love and then he dumped us for a big fat wallet. JUDAS !
Let’s see how his does against Arsenal tomorrow.
Another great result today.
Better players = Better team = Better results.
Quite logical really. B)[/quote]
Okay so it’s better players, better team, better results.
But to put things in true perspective we would have been happy to finish anywhere between 11th & 17th with average players, average team & average results. Didn’t Bobby say that the Premiership was a division of two leagues and we must win our “mini league” against equally equipped teams. And yes he cocked it up !Everton are winning games despite Martinez, with a lot of the traditionally stronger teams getting off to a poor start. Time will tell.
