LostockHallLatic

Good Evening WGTB,
Not lost interest, just been side-tracked in recent weeks.
How can one look foolish for asking everyone’s opinion “how long before RM has Everton at the wrong end of the league” ? A straight forward question that has provoked so much debate. I could of asked: How long before Owen Coyle get’s sacked, or How long before Paul Jewell manages another football club. :dry: :dry: :dry:

You forgot to add 58.3% Judas

Making his CV attractive for Barcelona !

The vast majority do. It’s only a few bitter people on this forum who, coincidentally, all seem to play together – thank Christ I don’t know where that pub is – and don’t seem capabale of having their own thoughts. One of ’em thinks something up, the others have to agree.

Most neutral observers seem to find it surprising that Martinez stuck with us as long as he did before trying to further his career.[/quote]

You only become a bitter person when something happens to make you bitter. Check all the lightside / darkside threads and you will see that I was totally behind Bob 100%. Me you, Standish and a few others, fought long and hard to get some posters to understand Bob’s philosophy and tactical approach. He had a vision and stuck to it come what may and tbh, it was that stubborn attitude, that eventually cost us our place in the EPL.

As for this poll, you seem to belittling the posters who think he was a judas. The fact is that “at the moment” the majority of posters seem to have the view that he jumped ship when Wigan Athletic finally became a poisoned chalice and would no longer be an asset to his CV.
You claim that the vast majority of neutrals can’t understand why Bob stayed with us so long, well I’ll try and explain. He had a Chairman / friend that stuck by him when times got tough. Any other chairman would have sacked him long before the FA cup success, 9-1, 8-0, 8 straight defeats, etc. etc. He even told the world that Bob would manage a top 4 club, bumming him up to the hilt. How do you tell DW that you are leaving when he has single hand-idly helped to put you where you are?.

The poll may change as more posters can be bothered to take part, but at the moment, like it or not, the votes have shown that there are quite a few supporters who didn’t like the way Martinez dumped us.

You know me Griff, I have my own opinions and have agreed with your views / posts on many occasions, you have a good knowledge of football, but don’t forget there are a lot of others on here that also know their stuff and are entitled to their opinions even if it goes against what you think.

Anyway, I’ve noticed you have not voted yet, you’ve shown enough interest in this debate so get voting and close the gap!. B)[/quote]

Spot on again, JRfatfan !!!!!!!!!!!

The backing he received from D Whelan?

He had to reduce the wage bill by 25%![/quote]

That still left him with a budget big enough to keep us in the PL.
The backing I was referring to was more along the lines of ‘I won’t sack him no matter what happens’ which is virtually what DW said.
He may have had a few restraints, but the lack of any pressure from above at all more than made up for that.[/quote]

Spot on again Horc. Big Dave was emotionally attached to Roberto, he almost considered him as a son; and that’s what allowed Roberto a far greater degree of “safety” than any other former Wigan Manager. Do you think he would have sacked Roberto if he had stayed and the club hadn’t performed any better than under Coyle. I think not !

Anyway, Roberto knew what the task was and signed up. Yes he did implement many positive aspects to the club and our play, but as you point out his win rate was very poor. At the end of the day he will always be measured on hard results and results speak for themselves: he failed and we got relegated. As I had said in previous posts, Roberto never actually claimed responsibility for any of those losses. He always had an excuse or deflected the issues by saying “there are positives that can be taken from the game”. What did he do with those positives ?
I was criticised for suggesting that he was not very bright, because he never put this learning to use. But maybe it doesn’t matter when you are in a “safe job”.
Legend to Judas in four years.

It’s not quite as simple as that. There were two notable cup victories, against Everton and Manchester City. In both games, special circumstances affected both teams.

After the home defeat to Liverpool, 4-0 with Suarez scoring a hat-trick, Martinez had to make some changes. For the cup tie at Everton, he introduced Robles for Al Habsi, Alcaraz for Caldwell, Gomez for McArthur and McManaman for Di Santo. For his part, Moyes unwisely brought in Heitinga and Phil Neville. The replacements wanted to make an impression, while Neville had a shocker. Wigan raced into a 3-0 lead. Neville was replaced at halftime and never appeared for Everton again.

The players kept their places for the next league game, and an unchanged team beat Newcastle 2-1. Martinez put his trust in this team and made it his model for the rest of the season.

For the Cup Final, Martinez had to build a team without Caldwell, Figueroa and Beausejour. His choice of McArthur and Espinoza as wingbacks was inspired. Manchester City played with the rumour hanging over them that Mancini would be sacked at the end of the season. They never hit full stride and Wigan deservedly won.

Whether they won or lost the Cup Final, the game at Arsenal – just three days later – represented an enormous challenge for Wigan. In the event, it proved too much for them.[/quote]

You really are as bad as Bobby and believe your own shoite. So why didn’t his “model” overcome Swansea ? It wasn’t the Arsenal game that lost us our place in the Premiership; it was all the other games against average teams where we dropped points that screwed us. In the final analysis he couldn’t muster up one single win out of any of those games to saves us !!!! Inspired you say; more like cloud cuckoo land. Legend to Judas in four years.