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I think most have hit the nail on the head in whats required in a manager on the field, which is fine. I’m looking at the bigger picure in terms of off the field as well.
I do think it is imperative we get someone in that can manage the club within the budget constarints we have. Absolutely, but I also think we need someone that can coach players too, be able to get the best out of what we’ve got and change it when necessary. But he must be able to recognise the rigt players we need to bring in too.Good Contacts
We we also need is a manager with good contacts. We’ve lost eight players so far, with probably 3 more to go? Thls is why I think we’ll need someone that has this in locker with abundance, much more than say his football ideology?
Someone like Muelensteen from UTD for example. He’ll have an idea of the players that are good enough for the Championship and that woulld/could come to do a job for us, lads that are surplus, loanees, permanent deals or whatever. They’re only down the road too, so uprooting sticks isn’t a problem. First team football is the lure.
Ofcoure the final say is with Moyes on this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has already bent Moyes’ ear about the above now anyway. Utd’ player pool is massive compared to ours.
As a coach, I’m sure he’d be looking at maybe bringing some of our youngsters through the ranks too? This young keeper Lee Nichols we had out on loan at Northampton, he’s got to be give a chance as no2 hasn’t he? I think so, a mixture of youth and experince is paramount.
Bell crossed the ball for young to score after reeves miskicked due to a split boot I was their that day a wide eyed 11year old and we battered them
That’s right Simmpool. i.ve found this link which confirms it.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ultimatewigan/7071.htm%5B/quote%5D
Confirms it ?
Stick to winding griff up.[/quote]
Yep, I meant the split boot, but hey, feel free to split hairs if you wish
Bell crossed the ball for young to score after reeves miskicked due to a split boot I was their that day a wide eyed 11year old and we battered themThat’s right Simmpool. i.ve found this link which confirms it.
Aw come on! It was just a little bit funny wasn’t it?
Well no, it wasn’t funny. Apart from the two halfwits that kept “thanking you” for your posts, I would imagine that nobody at all found it remotely funny. I think that was Salford’s point. I like a wind-up as much as the next man, but that was right up (down?) there with the shittest we’ve even seen on here.
… chuckling to myself as I ride off into the sunset.1st rule of comedy – don’t laugh at your own jokes, particularly if they’re not funny.
Glad you enjoyed yourself though, at least you kept the two chimps amused.[/quote]
Yes, I thoroughly did enjoy it. Watching you squirm now has made it all worthwhile. You probably do like a wind up, providing the jokes not on you of course.
1st rule of comedy? Where in the thread did I tell any jokes? merely chortling to oneself does not constitute telling a joke. I was chuckling at the fact that you are the joke. Nerves have well and truly been touched there Biff.
I see you are still insulting other users on this site. Hey ho, my words of wisdom certainly have not taken root in your head, nor are they likely to either judging by this hissyfit[/quote]
Squirming? Hissyfit? Right, OK.
The wife has just read the whole of this thread because she couldn’t understand why I kept shaking my head at the screen and looking puzzled. Her conclusion is that you probably have a little knob.
Done now, last response that.[/quote]
Ha ha, nice one Biff. That’s right, she must mean you, hanging on to my every word.
Thanks for the last couple of days, its been fun.
THE ENDAw come on! It was just a little bit funny wasn’t it?
Well no, it wasn’t funny. Apart from the two halfwits that kept “thanking you” for your posts, I would imagine that nobody at all found it remotely funny. I think that was Salford’s point. I like a wind-up as much as the next man, but that was right up (down?) there with the shittest we’ve even seen on here.
… chuckling to myself as I ride off into the sunset.1st rule of comedy – don’t laugh at your own jokes, particularly if they’re not funny.
Glad you enjoyed yourself though, at least you kept the two chimps amused.[/quote]
Yes, I thoroughly did enjoy it. Watching you squirm now has made it all worthwhile. You probably do like a wind up, providing the jokes not on you of course.
1st rule of comedy? Where in the thread did I tell any jokes? merely chortling to oneself does not constitute telling a joke. I was chuckling at the fact that you are the joke. Nerves have well and truly been touched there Biff.
I see you are still insulting other users on this site. Hey ho, my words of wisdom certainly have not taken root in your head, nor are they likely to either judging by this hissyfit
According to The Mirror…http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-transfer-news-eagles-1942340
‘Holloway wants to snap up the talented Spaniard who is looking for a move for more regular football after being left on the fringes with Latics.’
This guy has got to be offered a new deal. With Alcaraz gone and a promise of more first team football, it’s a must he stays.
You’ve become boring now, Rodger.BTW Roger is spelt without a “D”
Nice you could join the thread, albeit It is just a wee bit late now I’ve made my point. (It was a piss take btw)
My name is spelt that way because it’s just a play on words. Is that ok with you?
By the way, Garswood is a place, so should be spelt with a capital G. ;)I hope that when I am doing a prolonged wind up it is at least a little bit witty and I dont just crash and burn like this Rodger fella…That’s what it’s been all along Mr Salford. Just alleviating the post season boredom.
Aw come on! It was just a little bit funny wasn’t it? :cheer: Crash and burn? Sorry my good man, I’m still on the straight and narrow, chuckling to myself as I ride off into the sunset. How gullible some people are. B)
Dog shit? Biff?And I’m infantile?
You’re clearly more inteliigent than that but whatever floats your boat. Bored with you now, lad.
Hurrah! By Jove he’s got it! He’s finally admitted he’s infantile.
Now that’s what I’ve been trying to coax out of you for God knows how many posts! You know, like fighting fire with fire?
I knew the penny would drop eventually. Of course I was dangling the worm and you bit every time.
Now finally, what I could have said to you at the very beginning is something my old mam used to say.
“If you’ve nothing good to say, say nothing at all”
But of course if I’d said that at the beginning, no doubt you’d have quipped with an infantile comment wouldn’t you? ;)
Catch my drift?
Great stuff :)
Play-time at school is it?
At least Rodger can string as sentence together. No really interesting ones, but he at least he tried.[/quote]
Dear oh dear Biff. tut tut…There you go again. More infantile drivel. You’re still not getting it Biff are you?
You’re like dog shit stuck to my shoe. The smell just wont go away and it follows you around everywhere.
Biff, thanks for the back handed compliment! Dear boy, you are quite correct, I can ‘string’ a comprehensible sentence. Unlike you I’m afraid.
‘but he at least he tried’ ? What utter bollocks….. :lol:
In my opinion, I think Martinez was trying to turn Wigan from a poorly supported, under-financed, battling but unattractive team into a more appealing proposition by playing football the ‘right way’ and honing players’ skills. Players would therefore want to come to the club to learn.In the past, why would a player want to play for Wigan? Because they were unknown and wanted to use Wigan as a stepping stone; to get one last decent contract before retirement, or because they were a misfit and had run out of options.
Martinez was trying to turn Wigan into a club that decent young players would choose to come to above other clubs.
He was also trying to emulate the academies of Spain and Holland by getting the players to play a certain way from an early age, and thus create a farming system – bringing players through the ranks to play in the first team or be sold on, saving/making the club money in the process.
If that’s what he was trying to achieve, I can understand why he didn’t mix and match his styles as it would go completely against all he’d set out to do: if you’re trying to instil a specific playing style, you need to stick with it.
I agree that at times some of the players didn’t look good enough to play that style, but I’d hasten to add that at times when it all clicked (albeit, unregularly) they looked more than good enough.
All this suggests to me that Martinez looked upon Wigan as a project where the processes and outcomes off the pitch were more important than the results on it.
Personally, I think he’ll do well at a bigger club and I’d like someone to come to Wigan and carry on where Martinez left off – like Rogers and then Laudrup did at Swansea.
Good post StandishWalker. I agree pretty much with everything you say there. Looking at your paragraph here;
‘If that’s what he was trying to achieve, I can understand why he didn’t mix and match his styles as it would go completely against all he’d set out to do: if you’re trying to instil a specific playing style, you need to stick with it.’
I agree Roberto did try to instil a specific playing style which was easy on the eye. But by sticking with it when at times it was so completely necessary to compromise it, did expose his limitations as a coach I feel.
Don’t get me wrong, It’s the style of football I and every man and his dog were crowing about and it can work. Look at Barca (I’m not for one second comparing us to them here) It does work. Great passing, movement, scoring, they have the lot. What they have and we don’t is ability and teamwork. They seem to be able to stick hold of the ball at will and great work ethic too.
However, for Roberto to stick with an ideology just because that’s his style is clearly unworkable, considering some of our players lacked real ability/consistency full teamwork, in allowing that style to successfully prevail.
Just my thoughts anyway.
I doubt you have any inkling as to what I’m trying coax from that fat head of yours.
I haven’t the remotest interest in what it is you have been trying to do all weekend while I have been out having a life.[/quote]
Oh you do have an interest dear boy. The numerous infantile replies by you confirms that!
Deary me Biff, I’m sure most on this forum know exactly what I’m trying to do! You just keep it coming Biff, I’m thoroughly enjoying this.
John Barnes was on Talksport this morning with Ray Stubbs and Alvin Martin and they were talking about how disappointing the U21s have been.John Barnes said in his opinion English players are not as technically gifted as their European counterparts, and in the past have gotten away with it through aggression and commitment. These days however, due to the advancement of the game, it’s more difficult to do that, and until English teams move away from the traditional up and at ‘em style, the English players’ will never match foreign players in terms of skills, and the national team will suffer.
He then went on to say that when English teams try to replicate what the European teams do – by keeping possession for long periods, often having to go backward and start again, they get booed by the fans.
Were you watching games as the DW last season Mr Barnes? ‘Gerrit forwards!’
I must admit Standish it was tedious at times watching us pfaff about with the ball last season. I think we just didn’t have the quality of players to break teams down playing that style of football. Arsenal we are not I’m afraid.
However, for that matter, I’m not advocating hoof ball either. I know enough Bolton fans that complain constantly that’s the only style they know. I would think that a mixture of both styles is needed where and when necessary in games. Sadly, this is something Roberto wouldn’t do. Mix it up, change formation or whatever, which was a shame.
I suppose the quote by Einstein could be used here;
Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
When plan A wasn’t working, Roberto reverted to plan A so to speak.
[quote=”loudmouthblue” post=113943I have now read that book and in my opinion it WAS ” a joy to read” I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, I liked the way it was set out, and I loved the content and would recommend that if you read for fun like I do, or only do Holiday reads like many, go out and buy yourself a copy you won’t be disappointed.
Thanks for that, but I think I’ll give it a miss.[/quote]
You’d be goosed, cock – there are no pictures in it. You have to be able to read[/quote]
Golly, really? I have to be able to read? You’re still not getting it are you Biff?