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I would have him over any of our forwards !
Nah, He is one of those United players they get from time to time that get carried by the rest of the team. Butt, P Neville, Gibson, Sharpe, Carrick, Richardson, Bellion, Kleberson, Manucho, Djemba Djemba, Obertan. Put those type of player in any other side and they look extremely average and soon disappear.
You dont half talk some shyte you.
P Neville would look extremely average in any other side? :silly:
Have you seen him for Everton? He’s been captain fantastic for the best part of ten years!!!
Wobble Wobble – dont like you very much.
If the master escapologists did drop, would McCarthy expect to leave? ‘I can’t really comment on that as I don’t know. It’s down to the club, someone else. I’ m happy at the club and I’m positive we won’t go down.’
As long as he keeps that attitude his career progression will sort itself.
We all know how the England selection policy works though and if he had signed for Man U in the summer Cole would have probably played his last game for England.
Oi oi lads! Salford’s got his tin foil hat on again.
Cole > > Baines [/quote]
While the statistics dont lie I think Baines superiority vs Cole stems from the fact that Baines learnt his trade during Wigan Athletics magnificent rise up the football ladder.
Ashley Cole had to learn his trade on loan at some tin pot London club who’s best player doesnt play for them anymore and promotion chances rest on the tired shoulders of Kevin “Grandad” Phillips….
SEETHING ;)
Don’t insinuate that I don’t go to games….not missed a home game in years, pal. Missed about 7 homes since I started following Latics in 1986.I’m not talking formations!!!! I never was.
I’m talking about this ‘thou shall pass it to death’ shite.
Get the fuckin ball in the other teams net and stop them getting it in ours. It really is THAT fuckin straightforward.
This football is SHITE. That’s MY opinion. I am ENTITRLED to it.
I think the time has come to give this site a miss……..
The ‘select few’ have an opinion, nobody else gets one on here.
I wasnt insinuating you dont go to games I was insinuating you were talking utter tosh so put your willy back in your pants nobody cares how long you have been going.
If you are going to play the old “I have a right to an opinion but nobody has the right to disagree” chesnut then yeah it probably is time for you to give this site and other forums a miss.
You can always come back to finally have your day of gloat IF we get relegated at the end of the season.
Which we wont because Sir Martinez is lovely and his teams plays perfect, wonderful and exciting football :P
Of course you will be nowhere to be seen when we do stay up will you lad.
I thought we played well but we were lucky in one sense to get a draw. How did Neymar miss that open net….. maybe we should be talking about this miss on another post (match fixing)No doubt we will qualify, but then play sh! te in the finals as usual..
We won
I think your memory is a bit hazy Tylders for 1. Jason De Vos was immense for us and nothing short of it and 2. I am fairly certain it was De Vos who left on a Bosman for a better chance of promotion rather than Jewell letting him go.
The only haziness going on is in your memory Salford
Jason De Vos was immense for the most part for Latics & he won me many a pretty penny on first goal scorer but he really struggled against anyone with an iota of pace & it started to show more than ever in the latter stages of Latics first season in the championship.
Yes he left on a Bosman but the club waited till relatively late in the day to offer him any deal & then withdrew that & only offered him a 1 year deal as he was starting to struggle in that season. It’s hardly the actions of a club fighting tooth & nail to keep someone. Ipswich offered him a 3 yr deal & that’s why he left
The feeling between me & my mates at the time was that he needed to move on & a quick search on the internet just found me a comment from a Latics fan on a Canadian football website after he’d just signed for Ipswich that mentions “his time had come with us I’m afraid” and that “lack of pace is a major problem” for him – so I wasn’t the only one!! ;) BTW the poster was named as “Batch” whose name rings a bell from on here[/quote]Putting aside the fact you are skewering off into our first Championship season not the Division 2 title winning season that the thread was originally intended for last year if you dig deep into that clear memory of yours you may remember he spent the first part of that season out injured?
After that he was literally ever present in the side for the rest of the season.
I am sure you and your mates needed a scape goat just like people need their cats to kick nowadays considering we only won 2 of our last 10 games thus dropping out of the play off places and sealing another season of Division 1 / Championship football!
Why not go and ask the Ipswich fans how he did in the 171 games he played for them after he left us and see if they think he wasnt up to that level?
Caldwell before De Vos or Jackson, in your dreams, Caldwell is one of the worst central defenders I have seen at wafc in recent times, De vos and Jackson are still pobably better than Caldwell.
Figueroa is just about better than his counterpart in that side, a young Leighton Baines but probably only in that debut season and never since, even old sicknote himself Steve McMillan would have given figs a run for his money.Jason De Vos looked out of his depth against the pacier strikers in the English games 3rd level & even more so when we got promoted & hence why Jewell let him go.
[/quote]I think your memory is a bit hazy Tylders for 1. Jason De Vos was immense for us and nothing short of it and 2. I am fairly certain it was De Vos who left on a Bosman for a better chance of promotion rather than Jewell letting him go.
Sorry to be the one to point this out but is this not the Division 2 champions?
I’m assuming that the original poster was referring to the level currently referred to as League 1 – I can’t remember if it was still div 2 at the time & when div 1 became the championship but it was the only league Jewell’s team won[/quote]
Yes Tylders I also assumed that which is why I am pointing out his, yours and the supporters club website’s mistake ;)
Its difficult to say really
There are some positions where Latics current players are head & shoulders above players in the Div 1 side e.g. Alcrarz, Ramis, Figueroa & Caldwell over an ageing Matt Jackson & Jason de Vos. Or James McArthur over Tony Dinning or Shaun Maloney over Lee McCulloch
Then there are others such as Bullard & Filan who could genuinely stake a claim in this current team, and then there’s the likes of Ellington who although I suspect that he never really had “it” to make it at this level I would have liked to have seen his partnership with Roberts at this level.
You’ve got the fact that the Div 1 side got over 100 points whereas this team will struggle to get in the late 30’s but then the div 1 side were playing Stockport, Wycombe & brentford & were the moneybags of the division whereas this team is playing the likes of united, chelsea, city, arsenal, spurs etc.. & are like penniless hobo’s in comparisonCaldwell before De Vos or Jackson, in your dreams, Caldwell is one of the worst central defenders I have seen at wafc in recent times , De vos and Jackson are still pobably better than Caldwell.
Figueroa is just about better than his counterpart in that side, a young Leighton Baines but probably only in that debut season and never since, even old sicknote himself Steve McMillan would have given figs a run for his money.[/quote]You’re barking mad.
Our home record for conceding goals is over 2 a game on average ! Who said home is an advantage !Thats dependant on the crowd getting behind the team.
Unfortunately we literally do seem to “sing when we’re winning” :(
Its like the opposite of the dark side on here …
“You only post when were losing post when were losing!”
Baines stats have crapped all over Cole’s for three seasons now.
We all know how the England selection policy works though and if he had signed for Man U in the summer Cole would have probably played his last game for England.
Think that’s a tad unfair. As much as I can’t stand Cole and as much as I like Baines, I don’t think there is too much to call between them.
Baines has probably got the edge going forward and Cole is slightly better at defending. I’d be happy with either of them to be honest. I think most people prefer Baines because they simply don’t like Cole as a persontwat rather than really and truly think he is a poor footballer[/quote]
Posted that a few months ago.
While I cant guarantee the accuracy it does show Baines to be better defensively, far superior from an attacking point of view and surprisingly much better in the air!
I think Chelsea are defensively superior to Everton as a team as well which should aid Cole.
Personally I think Baines attributes would be best suited to our LWB position.
Get it done Martinez
The big question I would like to put forward, is……WHY DO WE HAVE TO PLAY A ‘SET STYLE’?
I don’t quite get why any manager would be as rigid as Martinez is with the actual style of play they are trying to achieve. This has puzzled me since he came to us as manager.
Rigid? What games have you been watching?
I cant keep up with what formation we play this season its 3 at the back then its 4 then its 3 again then its 2 up front then its 3.
Martinez has to be the least rigid manager in the PL this season.
He does however stick to the basic principles that we should attempt to play the other team off the pitch.
Long gone are the days of hit and hope and to that I say good riddance and WELL DONE ROBERTO goodpost goodpost
Baines stats have crapped all over Cole’s for three seasons now.
We all know how the England selection policy works though and if he had signed for Man U in the summer Cole would have probably played his last game for England.
