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  • in reply to: Lisa nandy #203682
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      Everyone seems to think that Maloney has been hard done to and not been able to go for the players he wanted to go for.

      But what if he has? What if these are the players he and Gregor Rioch earmarked for us to sign?

      Maybe Maloney is just a shite manager? Certainly, his tactics and playing style is awful. And everyone raves about Rioch as well. But is he that brilliant?

      in reply to: Not Impressed #203673
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        This was what we needed, and could have so easily had…

        https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_oMMQQAXOJ/?igsh=d3gzdWJyNnBsZnd6

        But we didn’t. Idiots.

        in reply to: Not Impressed #203670
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          I will also say that if the owner and chairman are in anyway serious about the club ever progressing, they need to seriously…

          1. Come into the club with a new broom and a fresh outlook. Appoint a CEO to oversee the running of things. And around him, put in a team of people who will help develop the club and improve the club in many different ways from the top down and things like managing the football side of things, through to improving Customer Services at the club, the open-ness to the fans and the creation of an open club where supporters opinions and ideas CAN be heard more and responded and maybe even adhered to. We used to be a very open club..we felt friendlier and far more open as a club, as opposed to now where it all feels closed and rather cloak and dagger.

          2. A rethink on team management. If we were to change our manager, I’d want a totally fresh outlook, rather than someone who already has club links. I think we need a completely new outlook of an experienced manager to come in and totally overhaul the squad. But that will cost money? Yes it will. But we’ve already made the mistake of going ultra ultra cheaply. There’s cutting your cloth accordingly, and then there’s putting a thong on a gorilla…we need to admit we’ve made mistakes and to start again with a fresh canvas and a new brush.
          Just no in-house appointments where cronyism will rule. Someone new to clear the decks and start afresh. NOT Neil Critchley. He plays the same tedious sideways and backwards crap as this current manager, so no thanks. Bring in a manager who plays more upbeat football, 2 up front and who isn’t afraid of going direct when needed.

          in reply to: Not Impressed #203669
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            Whilst thinking that the Mudhutter statement raises some very good points, who is actually to say that the managers transfer targets this season were not the players who he has brought in, and were identified by himself and Gregor Rioch?

            I say this because largely, the players we have brought in are of the same ilk, young players with not much experience and games under their belt. The exception being Will Aimson. Is our transfer policy ALL down to constraints put on by the owner/board? Or were these players we have brought in our targets all along, and thus the fact is our Mangement team have just signed players that aren’t very good, on the whole?

            I’ve said all Summer we aren’t good enough and that I thought we’d struggle, hence I haven’t renewed. Fact is that whilst I am grateful that Mr Danson bought us and ‘saved us’ as a club, for the senior management at the club to suggest that tbe long term aim is to strive to get to the Premier League again, we are lightyears from that.

            Truth is, we are nearer Non League, than Premier League, and without some financial investment enabling some sensible, but wise signings of players who have relevant experience and games under their belt at this level and that above (Championship), we will never improve. And if these players we’ve brought in WERE the genuine targets of our manager and coaching team, then I am seriously concerned.

            We are in a real mess at the moment. The squad is nowhere near good enough, we are a poor Lg2 squad at best, and heading in one direction. We don’t score goals…thats a massive worry, and we are a team that concedes too easily. Put them both together and we are in reap trouble. Who is actually at fault though…hmmm, I’m not sure at the moment. I’m not convinced by ANYBODY at this club anymore. It’s a shambles.

            I do welcome the statement and the fact that we need answers and to look at what needs improving, throughout the club. But signings wise, we are buggered for now until January. And the way things are, we could be in serious, serious trouble by then. Is Mike Danson going to suddenly give Maloney a multi million war chest? Or is Maloney just going to look at the same old same old type of player? I.E. someone who costs peanuts and who’s played 15 games in the last 3 seasons, scoring 2 goals, or something like that?

            We’ll have to see and only time will tell. Is it the owner/chairman, or is our manager just not good enough? Jury is well and truly out.

            in reply to: Lisa nandy #203665
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              We’ve next to zero chance of getting back to the Premier League, not unless the owner puts his hand in his pocket. It’s as simple as that. We are miles off the Championship as it is.

              I still think eventually they’ll try and bump Latics to playing games at Leigh Sports Village. When out attendances drop further and they have an excuse to do so.

              in reply to: Watch Blackpool #203653
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                He will sort Blackpool out I think. Newcastle is a poisoned chalice, as Howe will find out eventually if they don’t win anything. Big club, but one that’s won shite all for decades. Even the late great Sir Bobby Robson couldn’t get silverware there. Nor Kevin Keegan.

                Great appointment for the seasiders, in my opinion. There are not many more experienced football managers about than Steve Bruce, a real football man, and I wish we had managed to get him here again. He would have sorted put basics out. It might not have been pretty, but of you sort the basics out first, not letting goals in, you can then look at being a bit fancier.

                in reply to: Not Impressed #203652
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                  Definitely lying about the season tickets, surpassing last years sales and still people buying them. Utter crap. I’ve not renewed and I know of loads of others hp haven’t. I was told the numbers had dropped off by 2000. I saw pics around our usual area in the stand at the Crawley game and there were loads of empty seats where normally people would be. Granted, summer holidays so some would be absent due to being away, but let’s see in next couple of home games how it looks.

                  See how they feel when crowds have dwindled to 5k or less for league games. There’s only one way to respond and that’s to boycott games. I will NOT be lied to by people at the club. We deserve a lot better than that after the last few years.

                  Any other club, Maloney would be facing the sack. He’s just a patsy for the owner and chairman, in my opinion. Told he has a job whatever.

                  If Maloney is happy to work under such constraints and feck all backing, it just shows he has no actual ambition as a manager and is happy to do the role with no fear of being sacked. That’s taking the piss out of us as well.

                  Awful club with no real ambition, other than to just teeter along. Our old club is well and truly gone.

                  in reply to: Depressing…. #203628
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                    Is this manager the worst of the lot? I think he is.

                    Rosler had good moments, Coyle had some as well. Joyce…never worked and I think Mackay was the same. Toure was a clown, but the whole club was a charade when we appointed him.

                    Maloney HAS to go. But will our owner act? Is he bothered? There’s a really bad feeling about the club at present. Best thing I did, not renewing.

                    in reply to: Points on the board…. #203591
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                      We got battered for most of the game against Crawley yes Crawley we also got a scrawpy OG.

                      One goal in three games an own goal and the clowns sing and clap ‘everythings gonna be alright’ carry on the way we are and you’ll be ‘supporting’ a L2 club next season.

                      Ive got to be honest, even though I’m currently staying away, I was following the stats on Flash Score. When I read they had had about 70% possession, it was very alarming. We play a style…so called…thats all about keeping possession of the ball. Well, clearly we weren’t.

                      Fans are starting to vote with their feet now, and my dad and my lads who still go said it was the lowest crowd they’d seen in years. And it’s going to get worse.

                      We’ve a clueless manager and an owner who will not spend any money. Richest owner we could have, and likely will ever have, and he doesn’t seem arsed. And they won’t sack Baloney because no other fecker would take the job under such constraints.

                      Anyway, I’m off to Poland in the morning. By the time I get back we might have a 41 year old as first choice keeper and also be short of Thelo, potentially our best chance of getting a match winner, with the deadline on Friday.

                      It’s great isn’t it? If the above happens, I hope there’s 5000 on next home game. It would serve them right.

                      in reply to: Points on the board…. #203586
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                        Maybe Gelhardt back on loan ?

                        That’s not going to happen, because his salary is 30k a week. That’s why he’s not gone out on loan of late. Plenty clubs would like him, but can’t afford him.

                        The thing is Maloney is a very poor manager, Hibernian sussed that out within around 10 games and he was fired, he can’t motivate players, surely any footballer young or old can see this, once you piss off a group of players their heads go down and you won’t get a tune from them.

                        Very poor manager and coach that employs poor tactics.

                        Yeah, he’s shocking. Only got cut slack because of his history with Latics, but he’s actually clueless. He’s going to take us down if they stick with him.

                        Wait til Saturday when we’ve a 41 year old in net as first choice keeper and quite likely also without Asgaard as well. Wouldn’t be surprised if someone came in for Kerr too. Come Saturday, we could be staring Lg2 in the face. If this happens and we end up so weakened, I hope everyone shows their anger next week.

                        in reply to: I wouldn’t be surprised to see #203539
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                          Mentioning the admin squad we had, Dan Gardner could easily have fitted into this squad in midfield. Proper 100 percenter, a solid player a bit like a Luke O’Nien type.

                          Yeah, Maloney is basically trying to emulate Jimi Hendrix on a £50 acoustic. I’d at least like to see what he could do with some…sensible…backing. I like Aimson, from what I saw. A similar CM and a CF would give us a spine through the team. However, I do think Tickle will go on or before the deadline. Can just see it.

                          in reply to: I wouldn’t be surprised to see #203535
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                            The Jones case as a whole, is bizarre.
                            So we got him back after letting him go, but only for a month. I’m surprised Maloney did that. It was a very strange move, and as he’s lasted about 2 weeks before he’s left again, it’s embarrassing for the club, and also Maloney. It was an absolute waste of time and makes us look what we are, absolutely shambolic.

                            Also the fact that Humphreys is sat twiddling his thumbs rather than accept a lower paid deal to play for us. I’m not saying we’ve approached him to consider a return, but you’d think his agent would have mooted the idea. But what does that sat? Does it suggest he and Maloney weren’t the best of mates? I really don’t know how to take our manager.
                            Apart from him having some history with us, what do the players think of him? Does he have a good relationship with the players? Is he too ‘pally’, or on the other hand is he too aloof? I really can’t decide.

                            The next week, coming upto the close of the transfer window could be make or break. Then again, will Danson wait until it’s closed before then getting shut of Maloney, which will then leave it impossible for a new manager to sign anyone anyway. Or is Maloney somewhere near last chance saloon and if they don’t shape up tomorrow, he’ll be gone? My worry is that if they did that now, they’d rush and bring in Neil Critchley who’s been linked with us before. He plays the same turgid, tippy tappy style as Moloney, so would be a waste of time.

                            I really don’t know where we go from here, but I am concerned.

                            in reply to: 62 mins gone #203531
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                              Matthieu Smith announced his retirement this week, he had done well for Salford last season. I thought we may have brought him in. That Bodvarson who left Bolton was linked with us at one point I think.
                              Gary Madine is available without a club…I wouldn’t touch him. Known as “top shagger” at Bolton. Apparently had his haircut ONCE a week in the hotel hair salon. We can do without that type.
                              I’m amazed Humphreys hasn’t found a club. Has he cut off his nose to spite his face? Had he stuck with us and had one more solid season with us and scored a few, I bet he would have got a Championship move. It seems crazy.

                              We’ve long been linked with Adam Reach, midfielder from West Brom, formerly Sheff Wed.

                              in reply to: 62 mins gone #203497
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                                The thing is, a lot of teams have got wise to playing against “the Barca style”. City do well with it because they’ve got £100 million players playing for them. A monkey could manage them.

                                There’s nothing better than 2 up front and crosses whizzed across the box and finished off. Latics? I really think we are awful and even if we did bring a new guy in, he’s got a hell of a job to turn this bunch into something half decent. We let so many players go at the end of last season, and have now let Hughes go as well, we are so weak.
                                It doesn’t even have to be 442 we play. We could just play one winger and put 3 in the midfield, tighten it up. Even play a CDM…Scott Smith perhaps? Matt Smith and Thelo in front of him and then the two strikers up front as a L and R pairing…maybe one playing as a target man for the other playing off him. (Get Matthieu Smith in. He’s available, without a club)

                                Nothing makes me think Maloney will try any of this though.

                                in reply to: 62 mins gone #203495
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                                  The difference with Swain though was he at least tried to play attacking football, with two upfront. The players we had were very limited, but we did have a few bright spots as I recall. We demolished Crewe who were a decent team then, and we scored some really good goals. David McKearney was better than what we have now, as was Neill Rimmer. Pat Gavin and Neil Morton could be a threat upfront.
                                  And of course then, our owners had real limitations, which isn’t the case now, it just seems that the “running the club sustainably” is being used as a smokescreen to not plough money in…and I’m talking sensibly. Stevie Wonder could see it needs a bit of money spending as we have sank miles behind our rivals.

                                  But then again, any manager worth their salt would come out and say this. Paul Jewell said to Whelan when he came in and was met with a case of half arsed players that it needed “major surgery”, and Whelan backed him. I’m not saying our current players are half-arsed, I just don’t think they’re good enough in all honesty. I’m concerned that Maloney seems to think they’re good enough and that’s why I am really worried. The squad is nowhere near good enough, I’ve said this all Summer. We lost the best players in the squad, amd also a lot of experience so I thought that without some strong signings and a bit of money spent, we would struggle. I kept waiting and expected to hear “wigan have signed..” and some experience to come into the squad…a spine through the team to build around. But it never happened. A lot of these young players who have come in would only be fringe players if we had the right squad. Adeeko included.

                                  I’m alarmed that Maloney thinks the squad is good enough, when myself who most would consider a ‘layman’ could see it wasn’t. I’ve watched football live for 40 years at all different levels from Non League to International level. I’ve watched the best, and the worst. So, I can see when it’s not good enough, and this squad is not good enough. It’s not the players fault, it’s upto the manager. He’s got cut a lot of slack due to his history with the club, but my own personal opinion is that he is not upto the job. The football he tries to play, is awful. The club is heading in one direction, and it’s not up.

                                  Some of you will flip when I say this, and that’s fair enough. But the thought has actually gone through my mind a few times that perhaps we’d have been better doing a Bury and folding and then starting again in non league. The only trouble is, I’m not sure there would be enough energy among the various factions of our support to have got us up and running again. But the alternative is this what we have now, an owner who it is debatable if he has any real interest in us at all, and a manager in place who is just a puppet for the ownership who use his history with us keep it just ticking along.

                                  Crowds are going to drop and drop the way things are going. As things stand, we are in serious danger of going down this season. And then what? Latics ‘relocated’ to Leigh Sports Village because its smaller? I could see that happening.

                                  He’s not my type of manager. I like a bit of a gobshite manager, rather than a quiet, thoughtful one. I’d love a Warnock type manager. Show some passion and tell it as it is. Maloney repeats the same old bullshit and spin in his post matches…its already boring.

                                  Something really has to change, and change very soon. People dreading the visit of the mighty Crawley Town on Saturday just shows how bad we are. One up front…is shite. Tippy tappy one paced football, is shite. Got back to basics, do the simple things correctly, and that will be a start. If not, a change needs to be made.

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