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Never known a club like Latics.
We hear we are signing someone, then a few days later he is having a medical…then nothing happens. Why does it take us so long to get a signing done? Other clubs sign 3 or 4 players in the time it takes us to get one done.
Are we bargaining that hard its taking some doing?
And then news earlier on that Trevitt is injured and out for 3 months. Another brilliant waste of wages. Clubs an utter joke.
Hopefully the new keeper said to be coming in will shore us up a bit. But he also needs a pro-active defence in front of him.
If Caldwell hasn’t learned a few things this summer, he never will. One of the biggest is don’t lose your keeper and 2 main centre-backs in one fail swoop. I did actually think it was a lot of change all at once, and my god, I was right. That rapport, that knowledge of each others play…like Tickle is a left footer so they knew to play it back to him to his left…little things like that. Its no wonder they’ve played like strangers…they near enough are!
Last couple of seasons we’ve had so much change in and out of the club. Its too much. I’d love to know how many players we have used since Danson purchased us. I bet its a daft amount.
No players ever go out to lose or play crap. I am sure of that.
I will not aim any abuse at the players directly, but Caldwell I would. At the end of the day he is manager and so far, his selections and some other things are worrying.
Whether he is doing the job with his hands tied or not…and he clearly is, responsibility for performances falls on his shoulders. As it does any manager and that’s why Emery will probably walk from Villa, with what’s going on there.
I like Caldwell, in the main. But…
He wasn’t amazing last time as manager. Yes, we won League One. But we started off terrible in a poor standard league. He was lucky to keep his job. His bigging up of certain players is staggering as well, and he has made some strange selections already this season. (Chapman at Cambridge when he had no pre season and Mellish full stop, instead of Fox)
The keeper installs no confidence, the defence give goals away for charity, and the ‘strikers’, and that’s being very kind, couldn’t hit a barn door between them. It’s a bad recipe that.
Ultimately if we fail, one man pays the price.
Key point I missed out when I put all the above about formations, was…
With 4-2-3-1 it gives you what they call the ‘Double Pivot’. That’s the 2 holding midfielders inbetween the back 4 and the attacking midfielders. It definitely tightens things up and gives the back line that little bit more cover. Its what a lot of top teams are doing now, that formation.
3 at the back just doesn’t work for us. Failed for Lowe, and its failing for Caldwell also.
I will be very concerned if we get to Stockport at home and we still haven’t got any points on the board. Very concerned indeed.
Agree with all. I’ve said a few times I fear us doing a ‘Port Vale’ this season..stuck in the bottom 2 all season and ultimately relegated.
The sad thing is, I think 3 million spent right would get this team promoted. I really do.
Say he did, and we went up. Even if we then struggled, we would get larger attendances…bigger away supports coming, more money coming in, profile would be higher, more appealing to potential buyers and investors…it could get him the sale he wants, and obviously he could ask more for a Championship club. To just see us fester and struggle, it doesn’t make any sense to me, at all. He would sell us a damn sight quicker as a Championship Club. These are supposedly savvy business people. Well its the old ‘speculate to accumulate’ thing. At Championship level, he may even sell us at some profit. Nobody wants Wigan Athletic ‘bottom of League One’, let’s be honest.
***Club are getting an email off me this morning, FAO Joe Riley, giving them the heads up on a Non League Striker in the National League who has been prolific last few seasons, he got 33 last season and has 6 in 3 games this season. Possibly someone we could pick up for 100k. It didn’t take me long to find him, so what are our supposed scouts doing? In an environment where Fylde are turning down 500k from York for Ormerod, its a rough diamond we need to find and take a punt on.
We.are definitely weaker than last season, in so many ways.
Lost our keeper, who saved us many times.
Player of year has gone.
Top scorer has gone.
We are in massive trouble, I think.
442? Concensus of modern coaches is that it isn’t flexible enough. Because they like changing whether we are in possession or out of possession. Its something Pep brought into our game, so did Mourinho and Rafa Benitez. Changing formations so a back 3 can become a back 5, which can then revert to a 3 when we are attacking. Wingbacks that drop in as fullbacks. When we havent got possession. Nobody goes for 442 these days. There’s a belief you will be overran in midfield as well.
I would much prefer 2 up front. But then I am a fan of plenty of balls into the box. Our delivery would have to be much better. We never even tested a rookie keeper yesterday. The more bodies in the box, the more balls in, the more chances you will get.
But as Ive explained, modern coaches dont like 442.
Brenda selling her photos and ‘clothes’ online?
I keep saying, I am only still going for GC, Perks, and the lads. Its not their fault.
But I don’t like the club and how it is being ran at all. My friend was saying yesterday that even things like the boards on the main road at the end of stadium way still have last seasons fixtures on! It’s like theyve given up the ghost trying to push the club.
Horrible club, how it is. Just a shell. Any actual ‘Heart’, warmth or sense of Community has gone. Its on life support and I am not sure at all what the end game and outcome will be.
Agree. We craft our own downfall.
We can’t clear a ball. I don’t know if we are zonal, or man marking. I know we don’t have men on the posts these days at corners…a lot of teams don’t do it now.
We seem slow to react to balls into the box. Ball watching. I was learned in under 12s playing centre back, not to let a ball come in and bounce. The keeper seems very shaky. Installs no confidence in me at all.
In truth, we’ve chopped and changed to much. Lost our keeper, our defence/back line. Playing like strangers, because they pretty much ARE strangers. Was it a mistake chopping Kerr and Aimson at the same time? Definitely. I could criticise Aimson, but he would have given us that experience at the back and held us together. (I think Burns is good though)
Will Carragher go? I wouldn’t be surprised, but I don’t think he is better than League One at best. If he does go, he’s the last of any value and it will confirm they’ve just asset stripped. We will have no value left in the squad, and a team heading straight to League 2. Hoping that loan signings will save us again. I dont think they will, this season.
I really do think Danson is pocketing any transfer money and has been since Lang was sold. I reckon about 7 or 8 million. My gut feeling is that if he breaks even, he will then walk away and ‘gifts Latics to the Supporters Club. If that happens, I am done. Because the club wouldn’t last 6 months like that. No chance. End result, Wigan Rugby get the stadium.
They must think we’re thick.
When its not going right, sometimes you have to go back to basics and strip it all back. We need to do this and go to a 4-2-3-1. This has become a really popular formation with clubs all over.
A solid back 4…
Barrett, Carragher, Burns, Fox/A. Harris.
2 Holding Midfielders….
Power, Weir/Gray
3 Attacking Midfielders…
Murray, L. Harris, R. Walsh, Higgins.
Walsh playing as a CAM in an attacking ‘pivot’, behind a front man. Given a free roam. He looks class and should be allowed to play make.
1 Frontman…
We haven’t really got the man for this at the moment. The best we’ve got currently, is Costelloe. Perkins and Sze are neither good enough, or strong enough for that ‘Spearhead’ role. I think Saydee could be. But Id say we definitely need someone who is sharp, or even quite a bit physical up top. To both be a threat and also hold the ball up.
If the 4-2-3-1 wasn’t working, we could then switch to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, or a narrow 4-3-3 with attacking fullback. If we were 2 nil up away from home, we could also go to 5-4-1 to see a game out.
But our base formation needs to be 4-2-3-1. A back 3 failed last season and it will fail this season. I just dont think we know how to play with wingbacks. Incidentally, I see a lot of promise in Connor Barrett and Archie Harris. But we need a solid backline of a central pairing. Far too open and too much space in between a back 3. Bolton sussed us last season, and that was the point our wheels came off. Far too much room in behind the back 3. And Murray on the left is daft as well. We’ve dropped a clanger letting Hungbo go out on loan. Mistake that.
Can’t disagree.
I was actually shocked by how bad we were today. I mean, REALLY shocked.
Bar Reggie Smith and maybe Akeel Higgins, I thought we were awful. Not including the subs in that.
We couldn’t work out our formation and how we were set up, it was all over the place. To be quite honest, it was a mess.
Carry on like that and we will emulate Port Vale from last season. Bottom 3 all season and relegation. And they said there was over 9k on? No chance. Nowhere near. And if we don’t pick up, it’ll get even worse.
Shambles. And Caldwell said he is “Pleased with the performance?”
I know some have said he is all part of this with the ownership. Ive never agreed. But when he’s coming out with that…you have to wonder.I already wish I hadnt renewed. It’ll be last time if this continues. It’s dreadful.
Just so shambolic.
I am going to get behind GC and the Lads. But the club itself can go and kiss my arse.
Not spending a penny. We were going to get the new shirt this week, but we’ve decided not to. One of our friends who has been and got the new 3rd shirt, has had his loyalty points taken off him in the last few days. I don’t know any other club that treats its own fans with such ‘disdain’. I really don’t. And they want to get new supporters on board? They might want to start treating the ones they already have a bit better!
Season ticket holders and the ones who go away. That’s who they’re hurting with these things. The loyalist fans the club has. It’s an absolute joke.
And that today, trying to entice home fans to go into the Marquee pre match. They can piss off! Advertising £3.50 pints…it’ll be piss water. Don’t bloody fall for it. Clowns. Marquee has always been for away fans. See how welcome you are to go in there when we play Sheff Wednesday…
I’m behind GC and the players fully. But I actually really dislike everything else about the club.
Darikwa as captain who was ridiculed at Wigan despite being our captain when winning league one
I remember back in 86/87 and 87/88 seasons. Bobby Campbell getting pelters and dogs abuse. “Campbells meatballs!” Shouted at him.
He was leading scorer the two seasons he was here. 🤦♂️
We have always had gobshites who pick a player as a scapegoat. Paul Rogers, for example. Won us a cup at Wembley. 🤦♂️
Already this season, one game in, and it seems Barrett and Costelloe are neck and neck for this seasons scapegoat. Moany arsed fuckwits.
We aren’t going to get Taylor, we need to forget about him and move on.
If they somehow, amazingly GIVE Caldwell 2 million pounds, he would be stupid/naive/a dickhead to blow it all on one player. When we need about 5 yet. I still think we need another midfielder. Definitely a striker. 4 players at about 500k each would probably get us near the play offs.
We should aspire to be like Lincoln were last season. Yesterday was like Port Vale were, last season.
Sze would never play again for me. Out of his depth. Costelloe makes Pat Gavin look like Ian Wright.
2 late goals were just polishing a turd.
I said to my lad a few weeks back that I fear us being exactly like Port Vale were last season, rooted in the bottom 2 or 3 all season.
Watched it on Sky+ and couldn’t believe what I was seeing.
Made a few observations….
I’ve no confidence in the keeper. Looks prone to spilling.
Chapman is NOT ready. Being rushed in because we are desperate. Needs a step back or a loan in League 2 or Non league. Plus, he isn’t fit and was blowing with hands on knees.
Max Power. Lauded as the talismadic leader returning. No. He’s come back because it’s an easier commute for him at this time of his career. Its as simple as that.
Sze. Is never a player at football league level. Its ridiculous we are still persevering with him. Should be at Southport.
Perkins. Its debatable as to what level he is. Not good enough for Orient, so why good enough for us? Cheap option, that’s why.
Murray. Is NOT a left wing back or a left side player, or any kind of wing back or full back. Stop this nonsense with him!
We still don’t know how to clear a ball. The goals were embarrassing. Really embarrassing.
Conclusion…
Worst Latics squad I can recall since 1993. We played in all blue that season as well, and were relegated. I am not including the admin team that was cobbled together. They’d probably beat us.
Tobias Brenan. I don’t get people crying about him going. Never seen anything from him that makes me think ‘player’. No better or worse that Adeeko.
Will Keane. Why are we not at his door or having flowers and chocolates delivered, begging him to come back? Free agent. Are we stupid? At this moment, I’d even consider Will Grigg coming back. To see if we can stoke his embers…I bloody well would! Because we were a turd fest up front until Higgins came on. HAS to start next week.
I hope Walsh comes, but it concerns me we are placing our hopes on a 17 year old, regardless of talent. Its pretty desperate. Likewise, Ive heard good things about Luke Harris. But once again looking to loan players as saviours. Because our own players are NOT good enough. Simple as that.
4 big North West clubs on our doorstep and yet we are getting players on loan from London clubs. Ive no problem with that, and I know we’ve just signed Burns. But surely there are players at the local clubs for loans? Braiden Graham at Everton, for one.
I think we could be in for a long season.
