Figueroa to West Ham

Martinez to anywhere ???

For me his star and credibility is falling, TV pundits now take the p1ss on his post match interviews, where they loved his positivity in the past, people are beging to question why despite all his pretty football theories we are worse now than when he took over 3 seasons ago and every man and his dog are asking why he can’t organise a defence including latics fans with their roots firmly planted in the lightside.

Despite the undying loyalty shown on here for him not everyone in football wears rose tinted spectacles.[/quote]
And that’s the key part. For you.

Fortunately some of the rose tinted folk on here have the intelligence to look further than ninety minutes on the football field to see that far from being worse off than when Martinez took over three years ago, the club has taken huge strides in maintaining its status as a self sustaining football club.

But if you want to look at it in terms of league positions, then yes, you’re right: we’re worse off.[/quote]

The trouble with your statement is 99% of football fans attend football matches because of what they see in 90 minutes and not how the club is operating behind the scenes, other wise Crewe Alexandra, a renowned leader in youth development, would have 50k gates every week.

The point I made was about Martinez’s star falling not WAFC’s, he is a cog within the “huge strides in maintaining its status as a self sustaining football club” It is a policy dictated by means, and driven by the man who holds the purse strings and the chief executives vision, who will continue down that road hopefully, even when Martinez leaves or is sacked.

The worry I have is all the announcements about new training grounds and youth academies are based on survival in the premier league and will be will be shelved on loss of this status.[/quote]
My statement defends those who you claim are rose tinted, so no, there’s no trouble with it.

I agree that a lot of people watch teams because of success, but disagree that it’s 99%. If so, Wigan would have 120 people watching each week (that’s 1% of the 12k season ticket holders…)

People watch the likes of Wigan, Crewe, Middlesbrough etc, because it’s their home town team. Those who want to see success watch Man Utd, City etc.

Yes, Martinez is a cog in the Dave Whelan / Jonathan Jackson business plan, but he’s an important cog. He’s a manager who works within the financial constraints and who has managed to keep the team in the Premier League for two seasons whilst under those constraints.

He’s also making the club a club where young players want to come to learn how to play football the ‘right way’.

And, he’s the man who put his foot down and demanded the academy facilities that previous managers couldn’t have given a toss about. Farming of young talent is the only way a club like ours will survive and because we are already in the Premier League, we can take Crewe’s example and use it on a Premier League level.

Maybe it will all go to rat shit if we get relegated, but at least he’s tried to get the club on the footballing map instead of maintaining the shit town, shit club, hoof ball reputation we had until 2009.

So that’s why I shrug my shoulders when we lose, and don’t feel a need proclaim that Martinez is a clown/moron/Spanish waiter etc.

No, they aren’t based on Premier League survival.

Keep going though, you’ll get something right yet.

I’ve seen what you wrote in your first post, and that why I highlighted ‘For me his star and credibility is falling’ as being your opinion.

I wasn’t saying those who support him are more intelligent than those that don’t as there are some people who don’t rate Martinez who are very intelligent.

What I was saying was the people who do support Martinez have sufficient intelligence to see beyond poor performances on the pitch and understand what has been happening with the club, therefore disagreeing with your comment that ‘we are worse now than when he took over 3 seasons ago’.

There probably are some tongue-out happy clappers around who haven’t got a clue what’s going on and just support him for his nice coat and brown shoes, but that’s not the people I was referring to.

And I’m sure most of us can see Martinez has fault, or if he didn’t have faults, we’d be in a better league position than we are currently in.

Of course I want to cry down anyone who disagrees with my opinion. It’s a forum and that’s what it’s designed for. I come on here to argue with people for my own amusement. When everyone agrees, it’s boring and few people post.

So, far from stifling debate, I’m standing my ground and inviting debate.

Here we go again… How is someone disagreeing with you, not letting you have your opinion?

#inferioritycomplex[/quote]
Oi! I didn’t say that!

Here we go again… How is someone disagreeing with you, not letting you have your opinion?

#inferioritycomplex[/quote]
Oi! I didn’t say that![/quote]
Just spent a good few mins scrolling through trying to find when you did!

Can tell I’ve got too much time on my hands ;)[/quote]
It’s Friday. Normal rules regarding work don’t apply.

I think the fact that losing Figeuroa at the end of the season wouldnt be any great shakes is testament to the fact this is the strongest PL squad we have had.

WELL DONE ROBERTO goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost

He will probably go on to be a decent LB for West Ham but there will be no sour grapes on my part if he does as he has been a good servant to WAFC in his time here.