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We’ve passed 400 posts but my target is 500!
Yes, I’m going for quantity rather than quality so this thread should be ideal.
We’ve passed 400 posts but my target is 500!It’s not gonna happen Dave because I am closing this mother fucker down ! :P
We’ve passed 400 posts but my target is 500!
It’s not gonna happen Dave because I am closing this mother fucker down ! :P[/quote]
thank fook for that, its been done to death, he’s moved on and so should we, good luck and thank’s for the memories and all thatWe’ve passed 400 posts but my target is 500!
It’s not gonna happen Dave because I am closing this mother fucker down ! :P[/quote]
thank fook for that, its been done to death, he’s moved on and so should we, good luck and thank’s for the memories and all that[/quote]Give over. It’s not like we’re discussing th’ugby or pitches is it?
This thread is valid as long as the season runs…as a minimum. We’ll see a few twists and turns yet I’m sure.
At the end of the day he failed due to various reasons but he did manage to write us into the history books and for that we should be eternally grateful !Yes, most of us could see what he was trying to achieve but he just did not have the players to pull it off ! I thought he would struggle initially, losing Baines and Fellaini and that it would take time transitionally with his footballing style etc and so I struck up a bet with the guy who cuts my hair that they wouldn’t finish in the top 8 and for that reason alone I want that to happen this season ! Baines didn’t go in the Summer and he managed to get a couple of decent loan players in and because of that has been able to maintain Everton’s usual league position for this time of the year ! My bet doesn’t look to good as we speak but you never know ! I can see them finishing about 6th which is Everton’s norm is it not ! In a further 18 months he should be challenging for a top 4 spot or in my opinion he will not have achieved what his chairman really wants of him and if he is indeed as good as his last chairman says then he should be winning the league ( Finances allowing ) within the next 4 years ! Good luck to him I say and let’s now put this thread to bed, whadya say!Hi fil, just like to hear the reason you say he failed?.He kept us in there for 3 seasons despite having his best players leave almost every window.He was under viable restraints so we the fans did not have to pay high prices to watch the team.Bigger and richer clubs couldn’t stay in there as long as we did and for the fact that he did stave off relegation 3 times in the greediest league in the world, tells me he did not fail in the slightest.Like others on here I didn’t always agree with his tactics and ideas but I will never see him as a failure just the opposite.
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At the end of the day he failed due to various reasons but he did manage to write us into the history books and for that we should be eternally grateful !Yes, most of us could see what he was trying to achieve but he just did not have the players to pull it off ! I thought he would struggle initially, losing Baines and Fellaini and that it would take time transitionally with his footballing style etc and so I struck up a bet with the guy who cuts my hair that they wouldn’t finish in the top 8 and for that reason alone I want that to happen this season ! Baines didn’t go in the Summer and he managed to get a couple of decent loan players in and because of that has been able to maintain Everton’s usual league position for this time of the year ! My bet doesn’t look to good as we speak but you never know ! I can see them finishing about 6th which is Everton’s norm is it not ! In a further 18 months he should be challenging for a top 4 spot or in my opinion he will not have achieved what his chairman really wants of him and if he is indeed as good as his last chairman says then he should be winning the league ( Finances allowing ) within the next 4 years ! Good luck to him I say and let’s now put this thread to bed, whadya say!
Hi fil, just like to hear the reason you say he failed?.He kept us in there for 3 seasons despite having his best players leave almost every window.He was under viable restraints so we the fans did not have to pay high prices to watch the team.Bigger and richer clubs couldn’t stay in there as long as we did and for the fact that he did stave off relegation 3 times in the greediest league in the world, tells me he did not fail in the slightest.Like others on here I didn’t always agree with his tactics and ideas but I will never see him as a failure just the opposite.
F A Cup winners
European football
At Wigan Athletic THANK YOU ROBERTO MARTINEZ[/quote]
In the greed league if you go down you fail, that is why so many managers get potted when they drop to The Championship despite having all the constraints that we had ! I am not calling him for it but for many reasons he ultimately capitulated ! Many managers also succumb to the trapdoor when their teams go anywhere near the greed league relegation zone, it’s the nature of the beast I’m afraid !
At the end of the day he failed due to various reasons but he did manage to write us into the history books and for that we should be eternally grateful !Yes, most of us could see what he was trying to achieve but he just did not have the players to pull it off ! I thought he would struggle initially, losing Baines and Fellaini and that it would take time transitionally with his footballing style etc and so I struck up a bet with the guy who cuts my hair that they wouldn’t finish in the top 8 and for that reason alone I want that to happen this season ! Baines didn’t go in the Summer and he managed to get a couple of decent loan players in and because of that has been able to maintain Everton’s usual league position for this time of the year ! My bet doesn’t look to good as we speak but you never know ! I can see them finishing about 6th which is Everton’s norm is it not ! In a further 18 months he should be challenging for a top 4 spot or in my opinion he will not have achieved what his chairman really wants of him and if he is indeed as good as his last chairman says then he should be winning the league ( Finances allowing ) within the next 4 years ! Good luck to him I say and let’s now put this thread to bed, whadya say!
Hi fil, just like to hear the reason you say he failed?.He kept us in there for 3 seasons despite having his best players leave almost every window.He was under viable restraints so we the fans did not have to pay high prices to watch the team.Bigger and richer clubs couldn’t stay in there as long as we did and for the fact that he did stave off relegation 3 times in the greediest league in the world, tells me he did not fail in the slightest.Like others on here I didn’t always agree with his tactics and ideas but I will never see him as a failure just the opposite.
F A Cup winners
European football
At Wigan Athletic THANK YOU ROBERTO MARTINEZ[/quote]
In the greed league if you go down you fail, that is why so many managers get potted when they drop to The Championship despite having all the constraints that we had ! I am not calling him for it but for many reasons he ultimately capitulated ! Many managers also succumb to the trapdoor when their teams go anywhere near the greed league relegation zone, it’s the nature of the beast I’m afraid ![/quote]
At every other club fil your correct but despite being in the relegation zone for almost all his tenure and eventually being relegated, Bob didn’t get potted. Mr Whelan was proved right not to get shut even after the 9-1 mauling as Martinez made this club many more millions of dough by avoiding the drop.
Quick question for you fil, how managers can you think of who would have had more success than RM ?
Even with the restraints he may have had, we still had a better squad of players than others that stayed up.
38 wins out of 152 league matches (25% win rate) is petty poor, and ultimately he failed to leave us in a better position than when he came to us.
Cup competitions were normally treated as a hindrance to the bread and butter of the league campaign, but last season eventually it was taken seriously.
We won it, and it is still a terrific thing to look back on, but if we take our rose tinted FA Cup specs off for a minute and think about our finishing league position after four seasons at the helm, then there is no other word but failure to describe his tenure at Wigan Athletic.That being your view Horc but surely if he his a failure Everton would not of come in for him would they not they would of gone for a bigger name surely Kenwright saw enough in RM to go out and get him
there is no other word but failure to describe his tenure at Wigan Athletic.Martinez had to cut the wage bill by 25%.
September 2010; Scharner, 30, reckons it’s a clear sign that Wigan chairman Dave Whelan is no longer prepared to bankroll the club and said: “I had a great relationship with the chairman but he was right to let me go because he had to cut the wage bill. He’s done a great job with Wigan – six years in the Premier League is unbelievable for a club like that.”
Martinez kept them there for two more years. But when other clubs were increasing their spending – enormously in the case of clubs like Southampton – the result was inevitable.
Even with the restraints he may have had, we still had a better squad of players than others that stayed up.38 wins out of 152 league matches (25% win rate) is petty poor, and ultimately he failed to leave us in a better position than when he came to us.
Cup competitions were normally treated as a hindrance to the bread and butter of the league campaign, but last season eventually it was taken seriously.
We won it, and it is still a terrific thing to look back on, but if we take our rose tinted FA Cup specs off for a minute and think about our finishing league position after four seasons at the helm, then there is no other word but failure to describe his tenure at Wigan Athletic.The point im trying to make “horc” is, could another manager at this club with all the restraints and players coming then being shipped out, have kept us in the Prem as long as RM did?.
That being your view Horc but surely if he his a failure Everton would not of come in for him would they not they would of gone for a bigger name surely Kenwright saw enough in RM to go out and get himThat’s true, and what he is doing at Everton at the moment is commendable,although he is only maintaining what Everton have achieved recently under Moyes.
If he finishes higher than they did last season and get into the CL as he said is his aim this season then he will have succeeded, if however they finish lower then he may be deemed a failure there in the end.
Only time will tell.Based on last year’s accounts (season 2011/12) Everton had the 8th highest turnover and the 10th highest wages.
Everton have probably fallen behind West Ham and Fulham with their wage bill, so Martinez will have out-performed if Everton finish in the top half.
The same season, Wigan had the lowest turnover and third lowest wage bill, but Martinez still kept them up. That counts as a success.
Based on last year’s accounts (season 2011/12) Everton had the 8th highest turnover and the 10th highest wages.Everton have probably fallen behind West Ham and Fulham with their wage bill, so Martinez will have out-performed if Everton finish in the top half.
The same season, Wigan had the lowest turnover and third lowest wage bill, but Martinez still kept them up. That counts as a success.
But he didn’t keep us up, so he failed.
If you deem getting a club relegated a success then Owen Coyle will be managing Brazil or Spain next.
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