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Obstinate? Refusing to change his views?
I think that this post reveals more about you than Roberto.
Why should I change my views just cos you or anybody else on here for that matter says so.
If you don’t see that the man is obstinate then that’s your failing.
Can you honestly say that any of the list of things I’ve put forward is not a true fact. If you disagree, then you have never watched Latics under Martinez.
Let’s see if you can list as many positives of the guy, instead of just berating mine.
You also believe that its just me who has these feelings towards Martinez, I know there are many more, in fact many who frequent this board. :ohmy:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Can you honestly say that any of the list of things I’ve put forward is not a true fact. If you disagree, then you have never watched Latics under Martinez.If those things really mattered, Coyle should have enjoyed enormous success. Lots of people – those outside ES2 perhaps – enjoyed Roberto’s style. There aren’t many unhappy Everton fans – they think the School of Science has come back.
The results weren’t brilliant. They would have been better if Roberto had been given a larger – and increasing – budget and a squad big enough to overcome injuries.
Good management is making the most of your resources. By and large, Bobby did that. Meanwhile, Everton had a budget twice as big, and Liverpool’s was four times as big. Wigan were out of their financial depth.
Can you honestly say that any of the list of things I’ve put forward is not a true fact. If you disagree, then you have never watched Latics under Martinez.
If those things really mattered, Coyle should have enjoyed enormous success. Lots of people – those outside ES2 perhaps – enjoyed Roberto’s style. There aren’t many unhappy Everton fans – they think the School of Science has come back.
The results weren’t brilliant. They would have been better if Roberto had been given a larger – and increasing – budget and a squad big enough to overcome injuries.
Good management is making the most of your resources. By and large, Bobby did that. Meanwhile, Everton had a budget twice as big, and Liverpool’s was four times as big. Wigan were out of their financial depth.[/quote]
My point is that those things DID matter to Martinez, forget that muppet Coyle. Stop all that silly stuff and you may have a winning formula.
Martinez has got a great football philosophy, but those things I’ve highlighted, prevented him taking us to the next level i.e. mid table obscurity in the prem.
How can you say there aren’t many unhappy Everton fans, do you know all 40 odd thousand of them?. I work with 5 and 2 say he’s doing a better job than they thought he would, whilst 3 are not yet convinced.
Martinez promised champs League football, in his first season not second , third or fourth plus another 5 on top of that.
The Everton fans last season had to watch their illustrious neighbours take that next step up under Rogers, they were fighting for the title right up to the death and finished well above Everton and in a champs league spot.You say that all the Everton fans are happy with their first season under Martinez, I bet they are all over the feckin moon.! :lol:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Obstinate? Refusing to change his views?I think that this post reveals more about you than Roberto.
Don’t agree. That was a damn good summary from Jrfatfan ( one of the most observant posters on this forum ). Well done JR.
We’ve already learned that the most vociferous Wigan fans know the least about football.
In Martinez’ first season, Everton gained a record total of Premier League points. I think that should be enough to make most of their fans happy.
Liverpool have a budget double that of Everton. After years of under-performance, Rogers has at least taken them back into the Champions League. Everton can’t afford to pay players £200,000 per week, but if Kenwright can provide more resources, Roberto can take Everton further.
Playing in Europe will be a new experience for both Rogers and Roberto. I expect that both will need a larger squad to compete on two fronts. They will also have to learn how to rotate their squads. Perhaps Uwe can offer them some advice.
Instead he opted for third rate backroom staff, players who have never played beyond the third and fourth tier of English football, Jones, Barrow and Lawrence the first 2 being latics legends in my opinion but certainly not premier league management material.Players like Rogers and Martinez, in fact.
And Wenger and Mourinho too.
PapaLazarouOnTour said:
That was a damn good summary from Jrfatfan ( one of the most observant posters on this forum ). Well done JR.
No it wasn’t. It’s riddled with errors, exaggeration and prejudice.
To succeed in football you have to be prepared to change things now and again, unfortunately Bobby was too obstinate to do that.
On the contrary, Bobby constantly made adjustments during matches.Instead he opted for third rate backroom staff, players who have never played beyond the third and fourth tier of English football, Jones, Barrow and Lawrence the first 2 being latics legends in my opinion but certainly not premier league management material.
You don’t have to be a good player to be a good manager. Neither Martinez nor Rogers – nor Hodgson come to that – played top class football.chicken Martinez flew the coup when the going got tough.
Rubbish! Roberto faced up to the task of cutting the wage bill by 21%. He remained when things got tough and won the FA Cup! He turned down approaches from Aston Villa and Liverpool to stay with Wigan. He left – as he was bound to do one day – to take on a bigger job at Everton.I just can’t see him changing doing things like;
Urging his players to keep hold of the ball even if it means passing the ball sideways and backwards when in possession 30 yards out from the opposition goals. this results in the majority of occasions back with his own keeper.
If his players have the ball, then the opposition cannot dictate the game, or score.Although behind in a game, continue to pass the ball around in their own half despite the crowd screaming to get it forward and in the box. [this has already been picked up by a few Everton fans I know, they just don’t like this tactic]
If the screaming crowd wanted to see the long ball game, they should have gone to watch Wanderers play under Allardyce.Winning a free kick 30 yards from the opposition goal and taking it short to keep possession, rather than banging it into the box where teams can get hurt. This just doesn’t happen part way through a game, it happens with less than 10 mins go and when losing by the odd goal.
DittoGoing 1-0 up then defending deep for the rest of the game only to be opened up in the last 5 mins and throw points away.
I don’t know that this ever was his plan. There were many teams better than Wigan in the Premier League. So Wigan inevitably came under sustained pressure.Not bringing subs on despite waving them to get stripped and stand at the side of him for 15 mins and longer, before finally putting them on for the last 79 seconds.
You’ve made this up!Standing there arms folded despite things not going right on the field, even clapping players for stupid mistakes that warrant them being hung drawn and quartered.
You’ve made this up too!Yeh, the man has done well for Everton last season and has maintained their normal league position.
Everton actually won a record number of points last season!I’ve not even read your posts, 3 on the trot, fekin hell lad give it a rest! B)
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!No, your mind is made up.My mind is made up course it is, but 3 posts on the trot? B)
Seriously go and have a rest till next season, the other Beverley sisters have stopped in watching England and you should have done the same. I’ve just read your response to my list and basically I’ve rag dolled you. :P
Take your photo of Bobby and snuggle up in bed, you are showing yourself up lad. :lol:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!No, your mind is made up.
My mind is made up course it is, but 3 posts on the trot? B)
Seriously go and have a rest till next season, the other Beverley sisters have stopped in watching England and you should have done the same. I’ve just read your response to my list and basically I’ve rag dolled you. :P
Take your photo of Bobby and snuggle up in bed, you are showing yourself up lad. :lol:[/quote]Come on J,r dont tease him,you know were gona get brown shoes should be next Spanish manager. ;)
Thank you, JR. You’ve revived this thread.
Every post is one post nearer to 1,000 – I can hardly wait! It’s certainly more exciting than listening to Andy Townsend droning on.
As the proverb says, “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.” We have to work to protect the truth.
Obstinate? Refusing to change his views?I think that this post reveals more about you than Roberto.
You’re joking, right? JR changes his mind more often than he changes his duds ;)
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