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just one correction needed to that statement mr hula…… Leicester tigers are bigger supported than both worryers & warrington and any other club in souper league for that matter……….sorry to put you right but……………!
Leicester tigers are bigger supported than both worryers & warrington and any other club in souper league for that matter!You forgot to add Wigan Athletic to your list.
Leicester tigers are bigger supported than both worryers & warrington and any other club in souper league for that matter!
You forgot to add Wigan Athletic to your list.[/quote]
way hay, she’s back. was gonna send an sos out over on rlfans.communist but they don’t let you on if your not in the “clique”…
and QPR for that matter, seeing as the worryers have come NO WHERE NEAR a 20k average even though you’ve played EVERY BIG GAME in your sport (play off derbies & world club ozzy cup thingy) and won all the trophies in your game, finished top of your top flight etc. I find that a true reflection of the state of your village game. worryers highest average is approx 6th on the list of the stadium averages, iv’e no doubt you can find a link of this. or can you????
can’t be bothered looking, your not worth it sexy :kiss:
Huge difference in average atendance growth though:
1994/95 – Wigan Athletic 1,841, Leicester 12,573, Warriors – 14,368
2011/12 – Wigan Athletic 18,633, Leicester 21,096, Warriors (2012) – 16,043Like I keep saying, our crowds are amazing considering where we were just 17 years ago, no other team in any sport anywhere in the world can claim a bigger growth. Leicester have done well to increase the amount they have done in the same period, the Warriors not so much!!!!!
FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that
Like f@ck I’m splitting hairs!Yes you are ;) or completely missing my point :P
Believe it or not I actually agree with you (in part). I don’t think that it’s a fair way to crown the champions. I also believe that it cheapens the whole league process by allowing the teams who finish as low as 8th in a 14 team league to get into them
However its just as unfair (in my opinion) that a team who finishes 3rd in the championship, & who over the course of a season have proven themselves to be as much as 12-15 points better than the team who finished 6th, can miss out on promotion
So it doesn’t decide who are the champions. Big deal – the principle is the same &, particularly in the jump from championship to premier league, the financial rewards for going up are enormous.
If it’s unfair to decide who are champions then it’s unfair to decide who goes up too – BUT I sill think that it was the best thing the football league has introducedYes you are ;) or completely missing my point :P
Believe it or not I actually agree with you (in part). I don’t think that it’s a fair way to crown the champions. I also believe that it cheapens the whole league process by allowing the teams who finish as low as 8th in a 14 team league to get into them
However its just as unfair (in my opinion) that a team who finishes 3rd in the championship, & who over the course of a season have proven themselves to be as much as 12-15 points better than the team who finished 6th, can miss out on promotion
So it doesn’t decide who are the champions. Big deal – the principle is the same &, particularly in the jump from championship to premier league, the financial rewards for going up are enormous.
If it’s unfair to decide who are champions then it’s unfair to decide who goes up too – BUT I sill think that it was the best thing the football league has introducedBut it is a big deal, and that is my argument! And I am not missing your point at all!
The principle simply isn’t the same: you need to take your finanical head off for a minute and look at it from a prestige / fair competition / a spectator’s point of view.
The salient point is, you cannot compare the system in the second tier of English football to that in the top tier of Rugby League. One decides the best runner up and the other decides the champion. It’s oranges and apples – or you are in effect saying finishing 3rd in the Championship should be considered as prestigious as being Super League champions?
Being crowned national champions – champions of England, the best team in the land, the crème de la crème, the top of the pyramid etc etc – is very different to finishing third in the second tier and achieving promotion –financially no, but for prestige and for your name on a trophy and in the history books, they are a stratosphere apart.
Yes, all play-offs are unfair to some extend in that they do not fully reward who has been most consistent over the course of a season, but if you are looking at it from a prestige/competition/specators’, or whatever you want to call it, point of view, there are different levels of unfairness – and whilst the Championship play-off system is the Billinge Hill of unfairness, the Super League play-off system is the Matter-F@cking-Horn!
In English football – the team who finish top of their leagues will always be the champions at the end of the season. In Rugby League, more often than not, they aren’t – and that is my point.
Done: I’m bored with this thread now! ;)
But it is a big deal, and that is my argument! And I am not missing your point at all!Tyldesley’s not thick. So I conclude that he is deliberately missing your point because he’ll never, ever back down ;)
But it is a big deal, and that is my argument! And I am not missing your point at all!
Tyldesley’s not thick. So I conclude that he is deliberately missing your point because he’ll never, ever back down ;)[/quote]
You know that, I know that, and dare I say, Tyldesley knows that!In Rugby League, more often than not, they aren’t – and that is my point.Actually in the “super” league, since it was introduced, more often than not the team who finished 1st has gone on to win the grand final – I think I did the stats the other day during a “quiet moment” at work & put it on this thread ;)
And I see your point & agree with it. I don’t think that play offs are a fair way to decide who is champions of a league but a play off in the way they are used in football & rugby league is unfair purely & simply because you are allowing teams who have proved themselves as inferior to others a chance of getting promoted/being crowned champions.
If it’s unfair then it’s unfair no matter what the sport & no matter what the prize is on offer – my argument has nowt to do with money & nowt to do with prestige
The only argument i seem to be getting back is “Yeah it (football’s version) is unfair, but its not as unfair as their’s (rugby league’s)” which proves my initial point that football fans aren’t on the most solid ground to criticise RL’s play off systemIn Rugby League, more often than not, they aren’t – and that is my point.
Actually in the “super” league, since it was introduced, more often than not the team who finished 1st has gone on to win the grand final – I think I did the stats the other day during a “quiet moment” at work & put it on this thread ;)
And I see your point & agree with it. I don’t think that play offs are a fair way to decide who is champions of a league but a play off in the way they are used in football & rugby league is unfair purely & simply because you are allowing teams who have proved themselves as inferior to others a chance of getting promoted/being crowned champions.
If it’s unfair then it’s unfair no matter what the sport & no matter what the prize is on offer – my argument has nowt to do with money & nowt to do with prestige
The only argument i seem to be getting back is “Yeah it (football’s version) is unfair, but its not as unfair as their’s (rugby league’s)” which proves my initial point that football fans aren’t on the most solid ground to criticise RL’s play off system[/quote]I’ve come out of retirement from this thread again because you really are dragging it out, and I can’t let it pass me by.
The bit in bold isn’t my argument. That bit is merely affirmation that I agree that play-offs are unfair, although I feel there are different levels of unfairness.
My argument is that you are not comparing like for like:
a. In football you can avoid the play-offs. In Rugby League you cannot.
b. In football the play-offs decide 3rd place (a bonus promotion place -if you like). In Rugby League they decide who wins the league outright.
c. In football play-offs do not occur in the prestigious top tier. In Rugby League they do.
Simply: being crowned champions is not the same as winning promotion, and that is what you are comparing.
If suddenly they did away with the automatic promotion places and went to an all play-off end of season, then football would be very similar to Rugby League. As it stands however, it’s not.
Next time you post on this thread I will put my fingers in my ears and repeat loudly ‘La, la, la, la…’
Next time you post on this thread I will put my fingers in my ears and repeat loudly ‘La, la, la, la…’I’d give up now SW like I had to do once with Tyldesley. I was starting to lose the will to live.
Oh, and he’s a referee don’t you know, which explains a lot….! ;)
Huge difference in average atendance growth though:1994/95 – Wigan Athletic 1,841, Leicester 12,573, Warriors – 14,368
2011/12 – Wigan Athletic 18,633, Leicester 21,096, Warriors (2012) – 16,043Like I keep saying, our crowds are amazing considering where we were just 17 years ago, no other team in any sport anywhere in the world can claim a bigger growth. Leicester have done well to increase the amount they have done in the same period, the Warriors not so much!!!!!
The beauty of statistics is they can always be presented in a format to suit your agenda….Here’s another view.
If you were to compare “growth” since 2005/6, then you’d be in negative terrirtory for the Latics. Warriors would be showing a 15% increase.
If you were to compare “growth” from 1982, then the Warriors’ average has risen threefold, whilst the Latics’ has just about doubled.
If I was the CEO of a business that had lost custom over the past 7 years, I’d be fearing for my job.
lotp, your no longer top dogs anymore, your game is a laughing stock, a standing joke. people who follow the biggest game on earth now associate our town with football. As hardly anybody world wide knows your village game exists. your top of your top flight, reached the ceiling in your entire game and yet your lagging behind the “smallest club in prem history”! if we finished top of our top flight, our DW stadium isn’t big enough.
playing in a competitive, multi-billion £, cut throat, worldwide league like ours (everything souper league isn’t) the competition is just a tad fierce. If only we could play a pit village from yorkshire every 3 weeks and pay £17 for the privilege and put 50 points past them in a non competitive fixture as your league means nothing. we’d have a full trophy cabinet too!!!!!
enjoy your “bitter” flavored topping from wigan pizza on saturday night :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
lotp has not seen the recent poll on chubbie.com or he has and is totally not bothered to share it with us ,Lot of discontent on the M62 super highway enjoy SDW
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