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Exactly Runcorn. It has nothing to do with wanting to be back in the lower leagues it is about being realistic. We can’t afford to operate in billions of debt like the Utds of this world because we don’t have the pulling power.
It’s definitely somebody on your list of “oh No’s”
If it’s Stubbs then I despair. I really do.
When will they learn? Are the admin of our club actually THICK? It just reeks of another Coyle…ex Bolton man again. Same as Joyce as well. I hoped that for once, the club would surprise me and prove me wrong, but if they actually do this…and they’ve just actively and openly DENIED it, then can we ever trust them ever again?[/quote]
No, they’re not thick. Bar Sharpe, the club’s directors and senior admin staff are all experienced and very well educated.But who you see as the ideal candidate may not be the best candidate in their eyes-as there are financial constraints and they can only take into account managers who live in the North West or who are willing to move here.
And don’t forget, they have to work with this person on a day-to-day basis. So if they are a right w@nker who’s likely to make their life hell, they’ll not be keen on giving them the job.[/quote]
In other words, another ‘Yes Man’ then.
Ffs…..[/quote]
What do you mean by a “Yes Man” and what exactly is he going to be saying yes to?[/quote]
You know fine and we’ll what I mean….I. mean us employing another clueless gobshite who does another shite job and had us the laughing stock. Again.
Someone who will pander to the clubs penny pinching ways. Someone without any backbone who will.not stand up.and say “I need more money” etc.
If you lot are satisfied to have another knobhead like that in charge….more fool you.[/quote]
That’s exactly what Bruce said, and when he didn’t get it, he left.And that’s the point: there isn’t any more money to give – so I’m not sure what you’re hoping for.
Most if not all suitable managers will be fully aware of what the constraints are at Wigan, and that will put a lot of potential applicants off.
And until Sheikh Al Sithi or whoever suddenly declares a life long desire to buy the club and sit with ten thousand booing and moaning fans, that’s the way it is – like it or not.
Like I have said many times, some of our fans hanker for the old days of basement football with fuck all attendances! ‘Little Wigan’ mentality!
No not at all fil. A lot of our fans have been with this club for a very long time. As a result they know where the club has come from. This does not mean they want to return to the third/fourth/non-league tier, far from it. I hated being relegated, but i just get on with it. I’ll still be there next season as will many. But as i say, most true fans accept who we are as a club.
& lets be honest. Without whelan we would not have gone on our incredible journey & thus, attracting fans like yourself who have only been with us a short time. Fans like yourself who thought this premier league thing would last forever.
One example. When we got into the premier league, i remember bumping into a bloke in the local shop with a latics shirt on. Ah! 2 people in runcorn as latics fans i thought. I got chatting to him. Turns out he is/was a liverpool fan but couldn’t get tickets for anfield. So “tagged on” to latics. 12 years on from 2005, i see that bloke on occassions & surprise, surprise he has gone back to wearing his liverpool shirt.
Yes! I’m afraid we are a little club. We always will be unless a billionaire buys the club & takes us on a journey of winning several EPL titles, cups etc..
Sorry fil. But we are wigan athletic. IMO you need to accept who we are.[/quote]
I started actually attending games after the promotion to the Championship the first time round 14 years ago, I tagged along with my Brother who has been going on since 82 and he has the same view as me so what does that make him then? His mate who also comes on with us has been going on since 82 and he also thinks that we should at least be an established Championship club and we would have been if it wasn’t for some pretty dire decisions up top! We shouldn’t be facing League One football for the second time in 3 seasons, not so soon after The Prem! The other teams in the past that have dropped away so quickly had serious financial problems and points deductions etc, we have no such problems but there is something amiss, surely you can see that? Why just say ” But we are ‘Little Wigan’ ” It is negative thinking, the sort of acceptance that could see the club drop away into oblivion eventually but hey, you will still be there I guess, you and the other ‘Goole Away’ crew!
Exactly Runcorn. It has nothing to do with wanting to be back in the lower leagues it is about being realistic. We can’t afford to operate in billions of debt like the Utds of this world because we don’t have the pulling power.And realistically we should still be in The Championship! I am not saying we should be in The Prem, I am saying that we should never have been relegated twice in 2 seasons, I am saying I don’t accept it because it has been because of bad decisions by the board/club, whatever you want to call it and not because the club is little. Fans accepting another relegation so soon saying things like ” It’s who we are” and ” We are realistic, we are a small club ” is bollocks in my opinion, we are better than that these days in my opinion!
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
I ain’t mentioned any managers who are probably above our station, in fact I’ve only mentioned two, that Jones guy because he is the bookies fav and Barrow who would be a ‘Shoe in’ if he wanted it but I don’t think he does! I hasten to add that I do not want barrow and feel we need change all the way through! :)
Fil, its not about us wanting to go back to being a lower league club and I reckon most recent fans from the last ten to fifteen years will probably agree with your views. The difference between us who have going for a lifetime knew the game when it was fun to be a fan and enjoyable going to games every week. The game has changed so much and not particularly for the better. There is so much pressure on clubs nowadays to succeed coz of obvious reasons and its took the beauty out of the sport. It wasn’t nice when the Latics lost and you felt shite but it wasn’t the end of the world and the next game couldn’t come soon enough. It didn’t cost the clubs millions putting them in real dire straits if relegated and I think a lot of fans from every other club fondly remember the game before the money turned it upside-down. At least we have seen success and boy have we but we were never gonna sustain it . The money has gone but the club is still very much alive and kicking . We are a much better club now because of the prem albeit it was hard watching us struggle most weeks but if it never happens for us again it will still be a great club to support and never boring. We will be a championship club in the near future so enjoy the ride.
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
Numb as a p*** stone
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
There has always got to be a little bit of speculating to accumulate but for the club to exist long term it cannot throw money that it does not have at situations in order to climb back up the leagues.
The club has a budget (every other club does – some bigger & some smaller). Latics budget is what it is but the club is having a good go at it with the funds that it has available. They’ve made good decisions & they’ve made some shockers but its a simple fact of life that if an person or organisation spends money that it does not have, then one day that will catch up with themIt’s time pack up then.Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.
We came out of the Premier League after EIGHT years with NO debts. Having been relegated three times in five seasons we have NO debts. For a club with hardly any income that is being ran well. Just look at some of the clubs who have followed a similar path. Blackburn for example.
Of course in the Prem we got TV money etc but ALL of that went on wages which is why we had to buy low and sell high. Check the annual reports if you’re one of the “Whelan has stolen it” brigade. The problem is that buying low and selling high only works for so long and once it stopped we were forced to trim the fat to allow the club to run with as minimal a loss as possible. Steve Bruce wasn’t happy with that so he left. Bobby came in and lasted 3 years longer in the Prem than I think anyone expected and gave us all an everlasting memory. He did all of that whilst balancing the books and having the lowest budget in the division.
Until the day when we miraculously start to get 25K week in week out and sell shirts all over the planet we have to keep to a certain budget for the good of the club. If we were to go off your ideas (as much as we all would love to as fans of course) then we would be in a worse state than Bolton in about 2 years and probably wouldn’t exist within 5.
None of us like taking the cheap option and would love to be competing, but we are Wigan Athletic not Real Madrid.
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
There has always got to be a little bit of speculating to accumulate but for the club to exist long term it cannot throw money that it does not have at situations in order to climb back up the leagues.
The club has a budget (every other club does – some bigger & some smaller). Latics budget is what it is but the club is having a good go at it with the funds that it has available. They’ve made good decisions & they’ve made some shockers but its a simple fact of life that if an person or organisation spends money that it does not have, then one day that will catch up with them[/quote]And in football there are lots and lots of examples including one just down the road.
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
Of course the club’s well run.Look at two of our closest neighbours – Bolton and Blackburn:
Slightly bigger than us in terms of fanbase, and both spent longer periods of time in the Premier League than us, but one is teetering on the verge of administration and having to sell off car parks to pay its players wages and the other one is £100m in debt and is facing a fan-boycott over its owners.
There’s no Premier League money left because that’s the very thing that paid the wages and kept us afloat in the Premier League.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here when you say ‘have a go at it’?
Are you saying the club should get into debt to try and compete?
Because personally I’d rather we be in the financial position we are now than wondering if your club will still exist in six months or wondering when your Indian owners are going to drag the rug from under you.
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
Of course the club’s well run.Look at two of our closest neighbours – Bolton and Blackburn:
Slightly bigger than us in terms of fanbase, and both spent longer periods of time in the Premier League than us, but one is teetering on the verge of administration and having to sell off car parks to pay its players wages and the other one is £100m in debt and is facing a fan-boycott over its owners.
There’s no Premier League money left because that’s the very thing that paid the wages and kept us afloat in the Premier League.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here when you say ‘have a go at it’?
Are you saying the club should get into debt to try and compete?
Because personally I’d rather we be in the financial position we are now than wondering if your club will still exist in six months or wondering when your Indian owners are going to drag the rug from under you.[/quote]
The situation we are in at the moment has nothing to do with the finance of the club, it has been down to bad team selection and tactics, nothing else. Plenty money has been made available for recruitment and wages, it has just been unwisely by the manager(s).
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
Of course the club’s well run.Look at two of our closest neighbours – Bolton and Blackburn:
Slightly bigger than us in terms of fanbase, and both spent longer periods of time in the Premier League than us, but one is teetering on the verge of administration and having to sell off car parks to pay its players wages and the other one is £100m in debt and is facing a fan-boycott over its owners.
There’s no Premier League money left because that’s the very thing that paid the wages and kept us afloat in the Premier League.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here when you say ‘have a go at it’?
Are you saying the club should get into debt to try and compete?
Because personally I’d rather we be in the financial position we are now than wondering if your club will still exist in six months or wondering when your Indian owners are going to drag the rug from under you.[/quote]
The situation we are in at the moment has nothing to do with the finance of the club, it has been down to bad team selection and tactics, nothing else. Plenty money has been made available for recruitment and wages, it has just been unwisely by the manager(s).[/quote]
Nobody is disputing that, but we can’t now start throwing around money we don’t have to put it right, because if the gamble doesn’t pay off, then we’ve got big problems.
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