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  • #167961
    jimmycjimmyc
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      Dan Burn is a good player but he is far from Superman. He has made too many mistakes and that’s gone on for months. We have been lucky at times and he has got away with it. Far too many times he tries to play football and he is too clumsy and ties himself in a knot. Just get shut Dan. As a team we are still guilty of too much passing backwards and sideways and walking around with the ball at a snails pace. This is just monotonous and a total bore. Look at the difference just pushing the ball forward at pace makes (1st and 3rd goals against Oldham) We are sadly lacking a winger in the style of Wildschutt too. We can’t rely on the wing backs all the time because they run hot and cold. Where the hell is Reese James? Fortunately for us we have probably the strongest squad to take us up automatically but we will have to look at a lot of these points to stay in the Championship next season and to do this we can’t be throwing points away like we have done recently against Scunthorpe and Portsmouth.

      It’s difficult to criticize Burn as he’s been pretty consistent this season and is the main reason we have a damn good defence. But mistakes are creeping into his game of late, two pens against him & he was turned so easily for Portsmouth’s second.

      Still think he’s the best in this league though.

      #167962
      filmossfilmoss
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        We didn’t get into any rhythm, poor passing at times & very slow build up. Fair to say that was one of our poorer performances, but some credit has to go to Portsmouth. Kenny did his homework on us & they chased us down from the front. We’ve not had a team do that to us for a while but when it happens we struggle to cope with it.

        When all said and done Portsmouth were lucky to win, and can someone tell me what our goal was disallowed for?

        No idea why that goal was disallowed but defending for their second was atrocious.[/quote]

        I haven’t seen it again on the telly but in the ground I assumed it was for offside
        Sure I remember seeing the linesman’s flag up but I could be mistaken[/quote]

        Ball went out of play and then back in again from the corner, that’s why the flag went up immediately!

        #167966

        When Vaughan was on we left him up front on his jacks deciding to play the ball through the middle to him and starving him.
        So at 2-0 down and under 30minutes to go wouldn’t 2up front bin the best option ?, no Cook decides to remain with one up front by bringing Grigg on and ? Start knocking it long. Now if Vaughan had of been on upsides Grigg im sure we’d have grabbed a point.

        Powell was still bringing the ball from the half way line till Cook decides to bring Roberts 15mins after Grigg had come on then Roberts ends up crossing the ball for Griggs goal.
        My point been, were 2-0 down so for me 2up front was the way to go with 25 to go, either Grigg/Vaughan or Grigg/Roberts or Roberts/Vaughan
        Massey ? What’s his role ??, im lost
        Elder ?, liability,
        But if theres one humongous problem we have
        No pace or width what so ever, weres the scotch lad we bought ?, seems another waste along with Cole.
        MacDonald ?
        James ?
        Fulton ?
        Cole ?
        Our bench bar Grigg was ultra light to say the least

        How can the bench be light with 3 subs of Grigg who scored. Roberts who crossed and Coco who everyone seems to think should have started and the Scots lad you referred to (Walker)was on the bench too?[/quote]

        No variation thats the bench problem and I seem to remember Walker was never used so I could sit there if needed be. In times gone by I always seem to remember we would have a game turner sat on the bench whether it be Moses, Vilchut someone who could come on with 1-15 to go and inject some pace into the game, light the touch paper.
        Granted as I point out, Roberts set Grigg’s goal up but had he come on 15 minutes earlier would the outcome been any different ?, I would like to think it would due to his impact on the game.
        At 1-0 down fair play, Grigg on nick a goal, grab a point I can see the point to that but we were 2-0 down ! Vaughan should have never left the field. For me Cook has to shoulder a fair chunk of the blame purely on the basis of his team selection (Massey been one Jacobs not far behind) and the timing the subs. He needs to risk take at the right times and get someone with some fookin pace for Christ sake !![/quote]

        No variation? Every position was covered, what more do you want? We had a CB, Striker, CM, AM and 2 wingers.

        How the **** is Paul Cook being criticised here?? Everything is still in OUR hands and I bet Blackburn would snap your hands off for that as opposed to relying on other results.

        We win a game and this boards dead apart from the odd post that everyone will drop points.

        We lose and everyone comes on saying how we have blown it and the other 2 will go on a 500 game winning run. Get a f****** grip.

        #167971

        Play offs are a lottery I don’t want us to go down that route. We should still be looking at automatic promotion though I’m beginning to fear we will lose out on the title. Fair play to Blackburn they have fabulous strikers and they get the best from them said it before Charlton will have a big say in this.

        Plus they play two strikers week in week out something that has become alien to Latics since we started this trend with the mighty Jason Scotland.
        As others say though we aren’t doing too bad with it this season but that’s probably more down to the board keeping some decent players together rather than any system. After the boards faith we shouldn’t be expecting anything less than second. Third would be an absoloute disasterous failure.[/quote]
        No they don’t!

        More often than not they play 4231 – exactly the same as us!

        Donny, I know you want 4-4-2, with wingers, and smacking the ball forwards, but let it go. It’s not going to happen!

        #167972

        Play offs are a lottery I don’t want us to go down that route. We should still be looking at automatic promotion though I’m beginning to fear we will lose out on the title. Fair play to Blackburn they have fabulous strikers and they get the best from them said it before Charlton will have a big say in this.

        Plus they play two strikers week in week out something that has become alien to Latics since we started this trend with the mighty Jason Scotland.
        As others say though we aren’t doing too bad with it this season but that’s probably more down to the board keeping some decent players together rather than any system. After the boards faith we shouldn’t be expecting anything less than second. Third would be an absoloute disasterous failure.[/quote]
        No they don’t!

        More often than not they play 4231 – exactly the same as us!

        Donny, I know you want 4-4-2, with wingers, and smacking the ball forwards, but let it go. It’s not going to happen![/quote]

        But that was what worked in 1962 Standish walker.

        #167973
        donnys pageDonnys Page
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          We can live in hope Standish but I agree with you there’s going to much the same but next year when we are in the Championship our game will look more like it did last season as we revert to trying to save games rather than win them.

          #167975

          Play offs are a lottery I don’t want us to go down that route. We should still be looking at automatic promotion though I’m beginning to fear we will lose out on the title. Fair play to Blackburn they have fabulous strikers and they get the best from them said it before Charlton will have a big say in this.

          Plus they play two strikers week in week out something that has become alien to Latics since we started this trend with the mighty Jason Scotland.
          As others say though we aren’t doing too bad with it this season but that’s probably more down to the board keeping some decent players together rather than any system. After the boards faith we shouldn’t be expecting anything less than second. Third would be an absoloute disasterous failure.[/quote]
          No they don’t!

          More often than not they play 4231 – exactly the same as us!

          Donny, I know you want 4-4-2, with wingers, and smacking the ball forwards, but let it go. It’s not going to happen![/quote]

          But that was what worked in 1962 Standish walker.[/quote]

          It also worked for Utd for decades and won them one or two trophies and ain’t it funny that by coincidence we now see them as boring since they too became foul of the continental shift. I seem to recollect that in the late 70s and early 80s the continentals couldn’t get the European Cup off us when it was really hard to win. English clubs once terrorised the foreign teams playing 4-4-2 and at 100mph now everything has to be played at walking pace making pass after pass. 4-4-2 may be deemed old fashioned and unworkable but it was so much better to watch than than what we see today.

          #167976
          donnys pageDonnys Page
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            Course it is DJ. Look at Friday against Oldham. We got the result and in the end it was a stroll but the first half was pretty boring apart from the wonderful goal when we pushed forward and moved with pace.
            What do we do Monday bring back Massey for Coco (who can take men on and push forward) and drop Grigg who scored. With a big striker by his side Grigg would have been on 30 goals and we would be all ready be up or very close to it.

            #167977

            Donny, grigg has himself stated that he prefers to play as a lone striker as opposed to being in a partnership.

            #167978
            Donny, grigg has himself stated that he prefers to play as a lone striker as opposed to being in a partnership.

            Nonsense. He would be better in a 4-4-2 with a big lump of a centre forward who can win headers as the ball is pumped forward from the keeper and the centre backs.

            #167980
            SammySammy
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              So far this season we’ve scored 72 goals, more than anyone else except Blackburn’s 74 who’ve played one game more. We’ve conceded 25, eight less than Shrewsbury who have played two games more. Our goal difference is 9 better than the next best, Blackburn, yet two strikers is the way to go even though Powell has 14 goals and Jacobs 10 to supplement Grigg’s 20.

              Yes we’re getting it all wrong…..!

              #167981

              Cook out!!

              #167982

              ‘None so blind as those that will not see’. 442 would have us already promoted with an even higher goal difference and we would be playing in a FA Cup semi final.

              Bloody rubbish Wigan. Cook out!

              #167983
              loweylowey
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                Amazing were questioning a formation that at the current ratio will yield 95 points and almost 90 goals.

                In any other season were pissing it but because two other teams match us it’s all the formations fault were not up already.

                #167988
                donnys pageDonnys Page
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                  Ha ha, that gets some of you going. Ha ha. Wish everyone was so vociferous when we win.
                  By the way it isn’t the system or style. Whatever style of play we used would have given us the same results in this league. Christ even Yootha would have got us out of this league with this squad and backing from the board.

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