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Salford, if you – and Coyle – don’t know the rules of football, then you cannot expect to understand the referee’s decision.
McManaman jumped at his opponent – that’s a foul. You say he took the ball cleanly, but that’s irrelevant. I can’t put it any more clearly.
It’s up to the referee to decide how severe the punishment should be. Many referees would have agreed with the decision to send him off.
By arguing about the referee’s decision, you’re just encouraging McManaman to do it again. Can’t you see that if he carries on like this, then he’s going to land in very hot water? He isn’t a marked man, but he is going to be penalised for tackles like this.
And if Coyle is foolish enough to appeal, he may well get McManaman a longer suspension. Is that really what you want?
Salford, if you – and Coyle – don’t know the rules of football, then you cannot expect to understand the referee’s decision.McManaman jumped at his opponent – that’s a foul. You say he took the ball cleanly, but that’s irrelevant. I can’t put it any more clearly.
It’s up to the referee to decide how severe the punishment should be. Many referees would have agreed with the decision to send him off.
By arguing about the referee’s decision, you’re just encouraging McManaman to do it again. Can’t you see that if he carries on like this, then he’s going to land in very hot water? He isn’t a marked man, but he is going to be penalised for tackles like this.
And if Coyle is foolish enough to appeal, he may well get McManaman a longer suspension. Is that really what you want?
Calm down dear its just a discussion.
You were the one referring this thread to FIFA rule 12 so I suggest you go back and read it properly as it clearly defines when a player should be uncautioned, yellow carded or red carded instead of repeating yourself about what a foul is when we are discussing if it was a red card not a foul.
Do you really think Mcmanaman will be influenced by what I say on here? Really?!?
Here is a collection of some cracking slide tackles all of which can be deemed far more dangerous than Mcmanman’s.Rooney’s tackle on Sagna was absolutely appalling, and nothing was given! Unbeleivable how one tackle is interpreted so differently from another. Mind you, it was at Manure, where nobody gets any decisions
salford_latic44 wrote:
I am not quite sure jumping at an opponent is a foul but I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your wording.
As to your carelessly, recklessly or excessive force criteria I don’t think it was any of those.
It was a brilliant perfectly timed one footed tackle! nothing dangerous about it and I would be devastated if our players were not committed enough to try and win the ball back in such a manner!
So, Salford, we’re making progress! You seem to have at last come round to the view that it was a jump – and a foul – rather than a brilliant perfectly timed tackle. Now we can discuss whether it deserved a red card.
I’m not the only one to refer to the rules – referees do it all the time. If you look back, you’ll see I did post the criteria for referees earlier. For your benefit, here they are again.
Jumping at an opponent is a foul!If a player jumps at an opponent, the referee must consider how it was done. Whether the player gets the ball is not a consideration. If it was done;
carelessly, then a free kick shall be awarded and no further sanction is required
recklessly, then the player shall be cautioned
with excessive force, then the player shall be sent off.The referee had to choose between careless, reckless and with excessive force. Yesterday, he chose with excessive force. I don’t see any grounds for appeal.
If the referee thought McManaman was reckless, he would have booked him. But he thought that McManaman used excessive force, and sent him off.
I don’t think we can complain. It appears that McManaman made a rash tackle after losing his temper. Didn’t he learn anything from last season’s incident?
“Wigan Athletic manager Owen Coyle rounded on referee Graham Scott for sending off winger Callum McManaman. He said: “We all saw what happened but I was one yard form the incident and Callum clearly won the ball. I will certainly be appealing. I think [the referee] got it wrong.”
Thank goodness wiser counsel has prevailed. Wigan are not going to appeal against the decision. McManaman will now serve a three match suspension, and will miss home matches against Doncaster, Middlesbrough and Nottingham Forest. (Edited – thank you, Garswood)
I wouldn’t say that he lost us three points on Saturday; Wigan weren’t playing well as a team. But we will be without him for three games. It obviously doesn’t help the team or his development.
Tyldsley while I do think you talk tosh most of the time I do have to respect your refereeing opinions as you are clearly more qualified than me to comment on the subject.I just cant see how Mcmanman’s tackle is any more dangerous than any of the tackles in my previous clip.
I am led to believe it becomes a red card once the player has been deemed to have used excessive force? I don’t think that is the case with his tackle as any less force and he wouldn’t have won the ball in the clean manner he did and would of probably clattered the player good and proper.
Overall the timing of the tackle was very impressive.
Your reverence is duly noted Salford
Excessive force is just one criterial a ref can use to justify sending a player off for a challenge but it doesn’t have to be present & it could be argued that it doesn’t apply here
It’s not comparable to any of the challenges you put up coz none of the others are from that angle, with both feet off the floor, nor do any of the other challengers connect with their opponent in a scissor movement whilst both feet were still off the floor – had he gone in more or less along the ground, connected with the ball & the player had fallen over him then fair enough, but he didn’t. He jumped in. Everything about the challenge was wrong & he should use his judgement in that situation to not lunge in & either go in along the deck or wait till he’s better placed (like that Bayern player in your clip)Wigan are not going to appeal against the decision. McManaman will now serve a three match suspension, and will miss Doncaster (h), Middlesbrough (h) and Nottingham Forest(a).Forest is also at home, isn’t it? Three home games missed, which is “slightly” less a penalty than any away.
Here is a collection of some cracking slide tackles all of which can be deemed far more dangerous than Mcmanman’s.
Do you not think that in a united v arsenal game that if there’d been anything wrong with that challenge that the player himself would have kicked off, along with all his team mates, then Wenger whilst being joined by all the United players defending Rooney??
As it was, the player dusted himself down & took the throw & no-one complained about it from ArsenalRooney’s tackle on Sagna was absolutely appalling, and nothing was given! Unbeleivable how one tackle is interpreted so differently from another. Mind you, it was at Manure, where nobody gets any decisions[/quote]
How many times will we have sh#t refs this season, another terrible terrible ref did their player stand on our Chilean friends chest and force him to the ground and didn`t even get booked what`s going on, and the time wasting is doing my nut in every game.
How many times will we have sh#t refs this season, another terrible terrible ref did their player stand on our Chilean friends chest and force him to the ground and didn`t even get booked what`s going on, and the time wasting is doing my nut in every game.I really hope that is not the standard of refereeing we have to endure this season…. Can’t remember it being so bad last time we were in this league.
I am of the opinion when a Latics player has a poor performance that that demonstrates why they are playing for Wigan, rather than Barcelona.
Similarly, we have to ask the question why these referees are officiating in the Football League rather than the Premiership.
There may be/are bad decisions being made against us – but if we just go all out and score lots of goals it won’t matter, will it?
There may be/are bad decisions being made against us – but if we just go all out and score lots of goals it won’t matter, will it?but we must be allowed fair opportunity to be able to score lots of goals; so it does matter actually.
Agreed Garswood about the time keeping,that’s what getting on my nerves the fact it matters these teams r time wasting, ie were loosing,but Shaun last wk with studs showing tackle on his shoulder and now our Chilean friend being used as a door mat again studs showing not to mention the rugby tackle on I think Holt,obvious pen,these officials r a disgrace .
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