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I don’t know what footage you have been watching Salford but there was no slithering across the ground.
The footage I mentioned previously that can be found on the football league show via iplayer.
Exactly my point how does one slither across the ground to make a tackle?
He jumped in with BOTH feet off the ground, which in today’s money is deemed reckless and deserving of a red card, regardless of whether he played the ball or not.How does one “jump in” with one foot on the ground?
I will be amazed if the club appeals that. There is no way that will be rescinded.Back to the football league show where Coyle has already said he will appeal it.
Grounds for appeal then, but how about all the other decisions he made,i lost count, shocking refereeing.NO grounds for appeal then.
And it’s no use blaming the referee for the defeat. We lost because we played badly. But for Carson’s saves, Bournemouth could have had three or four.
Jumping at an opponent is a foul!If a player jumps at an opponent, the referee must consider how it was done. Whether the player gets the ball is not a consideration. If it was done;
carelessly, then a free kick shall be awarded and no further sanction is required
recklessly, then the player shall be cautioned
with excessive force, then the player shall be sent off.The referee had to choose between careless, reckless and with excessive force. Yesterday, he chose with excessive force. I don’t see any grounds for appeal.
I am not quite sure jumping at an opponent is a foul but I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your wording.
As to your carelessly, recklessly or excessive force criteria I don’t think it was any of those.
It was a brilliant perfectly timed one footed tackle! nothing dangerous about it and I would be devastated if our players were not committed enough to try and win the ball back in such a manner!
He jumped in with BOTH feet off the ground, which in today’s money is deemed reckless and deserving of a red card, regardless of whether he played the ball or not.How does one “jump in” with one foot on the ground? [/quote]
Both feet are clearly OFF the ground. There’s no doubt – it’s a jump!
He jumped in with BOTH feet off the ground, which in today’s money is deemed reckless and deserving of a red card, regardless of whether he played the ball or not.
How does one “jump in” with one foot on the ground? [/quote]
Both feet are clearly OFF the ground. There’s no doubt – it’s a jump![/quote]
Correct.
I was asking how does one avoid the necessary action of taking your feet of the ground as to create the momentum required to slide in for a tackle?
I look forward to our players moon walking into tackles from now on.
Here is a collection of some cracking slide tackles all of which can be deemed far more dangerous than Mcmanman’s.
It’s not my wording – it’s from FIFA Rule 12 Fouls and Misconduct. And so are the criteria.
McManaman landed with both feet in front of him – like an Olympic long jumper. He caught the ball with his right foot and Pittman with his left foot.
He jumped at his opponent! It’s irrelevant whether the tackle was perfectly timed or not.
And Coyle was hardly an impartial observer. He should support his squad, but this makes him look ridiculous. Perhaps he will look at it again, but dispassionately this time.
There’s very little more to say.
He jumped in with BOTH feet off the ground, which in today’s money is deemed reckless and deserving of a red card, regardless of whether he played the ball or not.
How does one “jump in” with one foot on the ground? [/quote]
Both feet are clearly OFF the ground. There’s no doubt – it’s a jump![/quote]
Correct.
I was asking how does one avoid the necessary action of taking your feet of the ground as to create the momentum required to slide in for a tackle?
I look forward to our players moon walking into tackles from now on.[/quote]
I see you are implementing Mark Twain’s good advice here.
[quote=”salford_latic44″ post=117591I am not quite sure jumping at an opponent is a foul but I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your wording.As to your carelessly, recklessly or excessive force criteria I don’t think it was any of those.
It was a brilliant perfectly timed one footed tackle! nothing dangerous about it and I would be devastated if our players were not committed enough to try and win the ball back in such a manner!
It’s not my wording – it’s from FIFA Rule 12 Fouls and Misconduct. And so are the criteria.
McManaman landed with both feet in front of him – like an Olympic long jumper. He caught the ball with his right foot and Pittman with his left foot.
He jumped at his opponent! It’s irrelevant whether the tackle was perfectly timed or not.
And Coyle was hardly an impartial observer. He should support his squad, but this makes him look ridiculous. Perhaps he will look at it again, but dispassionately this time.
There’s very little more to say.[/quote]
So which of three do you consider the tackle to be ? Careless, wreckless or excesive force?
It was a poor challenge IMO and he gave the ref a decision to make which I don’t think we have a cat in hells chance of getting over turned.
Instead of criticising the referee, it would be far more sensible if Coyle told McManaman the truth; if he carries on like this, he is going to get into hot water.
McManaman needs to cool it , if you watch it again the other player has a little peck at him just before McManaman and the red mist appears just before he slides in.
To me it’s a perfectly good tackle but the rules these days say different, an appeal will make no difference.
What annoyed me more was Harte chipping in and asking for the player to be sent off.What should he have done differently ? slithered across the ground to make the tackle? Surely every tackle starts somewhere off the ground?It certainly wasn’t a high tackle! it would have been lucky to hit him in the bottom of his shin! it was a sufficient move to take the player from his starting position to one where he can cleanly take the ball without causing any danger to said play whatsoever!
What more can you ask than that?
That same tackle is made by full backs up and down the country every week!
How anyone can watch the replay back and say it was an automatic red is simply laughable!
We will see what the FA think of it when we appeal it.
I am confident it will be rescinded off what I have seen but if I had a penny for every time I have said that I could buy a packet of crisp so we will see.
I know you think I’m a pedantic fecker Salford but I’m afraid that the ref got it spot on under the current laws of the game.
When I saw it initially on SSN on Saturday night it was a poor camera angle & I suspected that the ref didn’t think McManaman got any of the ball but having just watched it on BBC iplayer I’ve changed my mind.
McManaman “wins” the ball cleanly enough but to go into the tackle from the position that he was in he has had to do so with both feet off the floor. I appreciate what you’re saying in that there are many tackles where at some point both feet come off the floor but he does (as Mr Barnsley says) “jump in” with both feet off the floor. As soon as he does under the FIFA’s guidance he is no longer in control of the challenge in that he can’t stop & it then becomes dangerous so he’s contravened the laws of the game before he has even touched the ball – as such that he then goes on to “win the ball” becomes irrelevant as an offence has already been committed.
So it’s a red card offence already due to dangerous playAs the challenge continues, having connected with the ball, the ref is already looking at dangerous play & then sees McManaman clatter the fella into the air. The clincher is then that with both feet still off the floor, McManaman brings his trailing leg round & kind of scythes/scissors the player down. Combined with the speed that McManaman has launched himself into the tackle it is dangerous play (again) & a red card
Under the current laws of the game it is a red card all day long – it meets all the criteria for a sending off challenge & an appeal would be pointless & could lead to an increased ban for a frivolous appeal.
The debate as to whether a challenge like that should get a player a red card is a different debate but the ref was 100% correct in this instanceWhat should McManaman have done differently? Not made the challenge from that position as the angle he was at & the momentum of play were only ever gonna result in one thing – him being sent off. He should have tried to catch up with Pitman & only make a challenge when he was at least level with him so that he wouldn’t have had to lunge into the challenge in the manner in which he did.
Eddie Howe was spot on in that it wasn’t a malicious challenge (just like the one on the Geordie player wasn’t) but he’s showing some serious misjudgements as to when he can & can’t committ a fair challenge
You may have been right about my “doomsday scenario” but you’re wrong on this one ;)
Here is a collection of some cracking slide tackles all of which can be deemed far more dangerous than Mcmanman’s.None of those challenges are anywhere near as dangerous as McManaman’s was.
I couldn’t really see one of them but:
Evra’s – Foul? Yes. Yellow card? yes. It was a reckless challenge but nothing. Note at no point are both feet off the floor
Rooney’s – As with Evra at no point are both feet off the floor in the challenge. The momentum of both players run takes them into each other. Rooney’s run is faster & more powerful & hence the Arsenal guy goes for a tumble
Bayern player – Cracking tackle. This goes to the point I mentioned in my last post that I can see where you’re coming from in that it is nearly impossible for some legitimate challenge to be made without both feet at some point coming off the floor. But look at the angle the player makes the challenge from – completely different to the angle McManaman came in from & was where McManaman should have waited until he was before even attempting to make a challenge. he then wins the ball & comes away with the ball – the only thing that sends the Schalke player over is by having his forward momentum stopped by the path of the ball being blockedTyldsley while I do think you talk tosh most of the time I do have to respect your refereeing opinions as you are clearly more qualified than me to comment on the subject.
I just cant see how Mcmanman’s tackle is any more dangerous than any of the tackles in my previous clip.
I am led to believe it becomes a red card once the player has been deemed to have used excessive force? I don’t think that is the case with his tackle as any less force and he wouldn’t have won the ball in the clean manner he did and would of probably clattered the player good and proper.
Overall the timing of the tackle was very impressive.
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