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Well I did play to a pretty high standard back in my youth, many thought I was better than Simon Farnworth but it was he who went onto better things! I have no regrets though!
Be careful Tez as thowd mon will zap you with his latin quotes gun! :)

My brother and his mates had been going on since 82 and I tagged along one day, no scrolling through the leagues to see who was doing well or the like!!
As for the passionate stuff, I’m not sure how long you have to have been a supporter to be passionate but my point was that some of the more passionate fans speak out whilst some of the less passionate ones seem accepting of the slump but that is nothing to do with what they witnessed back in the really dark days. Some of the fans who have been on here venting their spleen have been fans for decades. They have also seen the dark days but this season wasn’t anything like the dark days,this was a completely different scenario!
Now the spitting out of the dummy as you choose to call it. I have said that I am not happy with the club’s latest decision which I happen to think will be another massive faux pas. I am not happy about what I have been told re reverting back to the Martinez way of football and so on the back of this season just gone I am not sure whether I will renew. One of my mates stopped coming on because he had a grievance with the way things were going and he is one of the 1982 crew, is he a JCL? Season tickets are expensive and when you fork out over £300 for something that with hindsight turned out to be in my opinion a complete waste of money then forgive me for being wary of wasting even more money! Just how many ‘Real fans’ are there then? Will it take a couple more relegations to find out? I was meant to jump ship as soon as we went down from the Prem according to some ‘Real fans’! I will say this one last time, I have not made a decision yet on renewing but the reason for this is not because we got relegated and I spat my dummy out as you say, it is because I too have a grievance with the club, just like my mate did and whether I have been coming 12 years or 32 years it is surely my prerogative! If I decide to walk away this season then I will be deemed a JCL but was I not one to start with? The thing is I have never been accepted as a proper fan despite buying a season ticket for 11 continuous seasons! I had no real affiliation with any other club prior to supporting Wigan, supporting is when you pay to see them is it not? and I definitely do not secretly follow one of the big time charlie clubs! I wonder how many out there leapt out of their chairs fist pumping the air when Ole Gunnar Solskjær stuck out his leg in the 99 Champions League final? Be honest and don’t say it was because they beat the Germans either! ha ha
At the end of the day, I could have said nothing and made my decision without any of you knowing but I have come on here for several years now, I was a member of the old version and so even though many have never thought of me as a fan, I do think that I am a fan and I have always spoke my mind and yeah sometimes it is utter bollocks that I spout because I flit between wind ups and sincerity, this is the latter![/quote]

Fil, I agree with you with regards the fact that it is completely irrelevant how long an individual has supported (or been a fan of) the tics. However, the gripe I have with you (& in some respects, with people who you know) is the fact that you & they have thrown in the towel or are about to by becoming disillusioned with how things are run at wigan athletic. As I wrote in my previous post, a football club is for life & as a supporter/fan, one must stick by that club through both the good times & bad. Anyway, whether you decide to stay or stop coming, it won’t matter one jot to me. I’ll be there no matter what.

& for the record, although I have been a wigan supporter all my life, I did pump the air with my fist when ole gunnar solskjar stuck out his leg, as I did when dudek pulled off his grobbelaar impersonations in 2005 & likewise when drogba put away the crucial penalty a couple of seasons ago. Basically, I support ALL English clubs in Europe irrespective of who they are – I even cheered on Bolton :ohmy: in their Europa league campaign.[/quote]

Shame on you re Bolton! :ohmy: Listen, I am disillusioned that the ambition of a few seasons ago seems to have all but gone! The austerity measures that were put in place were a little premature in my opinion and I got the impression that the towel had been thrown in way too early! As for the man at the top DW, some of his decisions and actions have been shocking!
I know deep down that I will be there next season but at this present moment in time I have no confidence in the club![/quote]

Now isn’t that much better than saying you may turn your back on the club. That is what all the fuss has been about on this thread.

I obviously don’t know your financial status and don’t want to, but how can you say you don’t like the fact of wasting £300 on a season ticket, when that’s only about 20 houses or about 4-5 hours work a year for you. B)

You are not dabbling with them horses again are you Fil? :P[/quote]

No horses just football betting certainties! Anyhow not going into that again but it has provided me with funds for a season ticket! This season gone has been a right royal fuck up and I really did see it as a complete waste of money! The tippy tappy sideways backwards football thing worries me also and the fact that the manager now is a player who was very much maligned by the majority of our fans! Of course I will be renewing but I will also be moaning like fuck if there is no improvement, it is my right as a paying fan/supporter/customer! :)

Not really. But it’s clearly touched a nerve with you. Why are linking the ability to support a club properly with where you work? What utter nonsense. Again![/quote]

Of course it has touched a nerve, that is why I responded! I would also say that most office wallowers are more controlled with their emotions on match days and prefer the comfort and literacy of the football forum to air their respective views whilst your proper working class salt of the Earth types are more passionate and like to get animated and into the whole matchday experience! So it’s not really about the ability to support a club, it’s just about different people! You once slated Horc for swearing, well swearing is commonplace on the football terraces, always has been, always will be! That is why many clubs introduced family stands![/quote]

Oh my God, that is so pathetic – playing the “class card”. That is definately the last resort of a scoundrel in attempting to win an argument.

Sometimes Fil it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt (with acknowledgements to Samuel Johnson and Abraham Lincoln).[/quote]

Lincoln or Twain I thought? Actually comes from the bible I believe!
Argument? This isn’t an argument, this is me having a view that I am entitled to, it is Griff who as per usual has become derogatory and insulting and so I have merely mentioned that there are different types of folk who attend football games and they all act differently, he has to understand that!
By the way, the last resort of a scoundrel attempting to win an argument is to pull someone up on their grammar and so therefore I must tell you owd fella that it is ‘Definitely’ and not ‘Definately’! Have a good evening and don’t drink too much port will you owd chap! ;)[/quote]

You have definitely removed all doubt now Fil – no need to go on. As my my old science teacher would say “Quad Est Demonstrandum”.[/quote]

In all honesty my last riposte to you was tongue in cheek and meant as a bit of leg pulling, ambiguity may have clouded your vision but probably not! ha ha ha ;)

Not really. But it’s clearly touched a nerve with you. Why are linking the ability to support a club properly with where you work? What utter nonsense. Again![/quote]

Of course it has touched a nerve, that is why I responded! I would also say that most office wallowers are more controlled with their emotions on match days and prefer the comfort and literacy of the football forum to air their respective views whilst your proper working class salt of the Earth types are more passionate and like to get animated and into the whole matchday experience! So it’s not really about the ability to support a club, it’s just about different people! You once slated Horc for swearing, well swearing is commonplace on the football terraces, always has been, always will be! That is why many clubs introduced family stands![/quote]

Oh my God, that is so pathetic – playing the “class card”. That is definately the last resort of a scoundrel in attempting to win an argument.

Sometimes Fil it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt (with acknowledgements to Samuel Johnson and Abraham Lincoln).[/quote]

Lincoln or Twain I thought? Actually comes from the bible I believe!
Argument? This isn’t an argument, this is me having a view that I am entitled to, it is Griff who as per usual has become derogatory and insulting and so I have merely mentioned that there are different types of folk who attend football games and they all act differently, he has to understand that!
By the way, the last resort of a scoundrel attempting to win an argument is to pull someone up on their grammar and so therefore I must tell you owd fella that it is ‘Definitely’ and not ‘Definately’! Have a good evening and don’t drink too much port will you owd chap! ;)

Not really. But it’s clearly touched a nerve with you. Why are linking the ability to support a club properly with where you work? What utter nonsense. Again![/quote]

Of course it has touched a nerve, that is why I responded! I would also say that most office wallowers are more controlled with their emotions on match days and prefer the comfort and literacy of the football forum to air their respective views whilst your proper working class salt of the Earth types are more passionate and like to get animated and into the whole matchday experience! So it’s not really about the ability to support a club, it’s just about different people! You once slated Horc for swearing, well swearing is commonplace on the football terraces, always has been, always will be! That is why many clubs introduced family stands![/quote]

Well, fair play to you. You’ve finally managed to spout even more shite than your other Preston mates. That is the biggest load of bullshit generalisation I think I have ever read. I must take note of that though – if I want to support my club better, I must swear more.

And actually, I didn’t slate Horc for swearing; my 8 year old lad did. And the club’s Family Stand was shut that day as it was a pre-season friendly with only the West Stand open. So, not only do you opinions seem to be worthless, you’re not that clued up when it comes to facts either.[/quote]

Swearing exists on ALL football terraces, not sure where you went with the rest of your riposte as you seem to have attempted to twist my words, you legal types do that though don’t you! I am also pretty sure that it wasn’t your lad who came on here and typed what I read, it was you and so I say that you did take umbrage at Horc’s Anglo Saxon tirade! You have also in the past come out with derogatory remarks about the East Stand, particularly ES2! It’s not big and it’s not clever!

Not for the first time, I doff my cap to you, sir. Couldn’t agree more, though I do wish I could resist jumping in with both feet sometimes on here. It’s one of the reasons why I don’t visit the forum anything like as much as I used to. There are only so many times you can/should bang your head against the wall.

Of all your points, the one I agree with most is this nonsensical idea that those of us who remain positive and support what the club tries to do don’t actually realise that mistakes have been made and are totally happy with things at the club. Blind faith, if you will. Just because we don’t throw huge tantrums and sulk like kids when things go wrong. Like any of them have the first idea what it is like to try to run a football club.

What’s the old adage, empty vessels make most sound?[/quote]

What a sanctimonious and sycophantic post! Have you ever thought that we might be of a more passionate nature, not a bad trait in my eyes! You have called fans before today for rising out of their seats in your stand and getting animated, well that is a passionate fan and there is nothing wrong with it! Fans come from all manner of backgrounds but come match day they are one in my book and just because some happen to have degrees and the like and work in an office environment, they are no better than say the working class guy who works on a shop floor or on a building site! Football matches are a far far cry from the sterile atmosphere of your typical office !

&, fil, if the rot continues i will still be supporting my club no matter what. Like JR i have seen periods a hell of a lot worse than this season. You should have been there in the early 90’s, which from what you have posted in the past you wasnt as you have only supported this club for (is it) 10 years now & have yet, haven’t seen the bad times. However, the idea of supporting a football team is to support it through its tough times as well as the good times. This season has been shit & if it continues next season i will still be there no matter what, & in my case, work permitting.[/quote]

It’s 12 yrs since I started paying to come on when my Saturday afternoons became free for various reasons! Now the reasons for the previous bad times are not the same reasons as this time and this time could have easily been avoided and should have! My beef is with the way things are going when they shouldn’t be, doing everything on the cheap whilst increasing season ticket prices ( Twice since the drop ) and the latest managerial acquisition just happens to be a much maligned player who many on here have slated to fuck left right and centre yet now he is the king pin! None of it makes sense to me! The return to the Martinez possession at all costs football is a main concern for me as a paying fan/customer ( same thing! ) because I fuckin hated that shit the first time around and I do not want to waste my money watching that shit again, especially after this seasons pathetic efforts! That style of football is not going to work in League One! If I decide not to renew which will be the first time since my first match it won’t be because I am turning my back on the club because they have been relegated, it will be because I don’t agree with the way things are being done/run, that is my prerogative and if the blind faith loyal think that is a sham then so be it but I ain’t no fool! I shall see what happens during the Summer months and probably see how the season goes initially before forking out £300+! Some will think of me as a fair weather supporter but they are wrong, I for one am making a personal stance because everyone else seems to think that it is the norm when clearly the stats say otherwise!

League One won’t be no walk in the park that’s for sure! There were a few blind faith merchants waxing lyrical about how we would be well up there in The Championship again this season yet it went disastrously tits up due to some hairbrained decisions and downright rank team selections yet they accepted it as if it was normal? We are in a minority group of clubs who have dropped to the 3rd tier within 2 seasons of dropping out of the Prem, we are the 6th side in the last 29 seasons ( That is when the play off were introduced ) 6.9% is a minority and not the norm! We didn’t have a God given right to go straight back to the Prem but we should have been comfortably off in The Championship for a few years at least!