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If somebody could just help me out with Caldwell being at the club without playing, being in charge of the under 8’s and then becoming manager, compared to us just basically letting our FA Cup winning captain go a year away from a decade at the club. Anyone?
That’s dead easy. He was under contract, but injured. Then he retired as a player. Then he was appointed manager, somehting he had clearly been lined up to do.
Not sure what your point is? Not a rare occurence, granted.
If somebody could just help me out with Caldwell being at the club without playing, being in charge of the under 8’s and then becoming manager, compared to us just basically letting our FA Cup winning captain go a year away from a decade at the club. Anyone?
I still think he can do a job in Div 1 and he is certainly no worse than Barnett or Kiernan, Taylor or Taylor-Sinclair, probably on a par with Pearce.On another note, Boyce has a column in the paper, what do you want him to say, he’s buzzing that he’s had a pay as you play offer from the club/town he has done so much for? As far as twitter goes, he’s basically re-tweeted a few things.
The club just keeps shooting itself in the foot.
Not your call though, is it?
So far, I have only seen you and Phil who think he should be retained on footballing grounds, whereas there are hundreds of others (me included) who think it’s a shame he is going but accept the reasons why.
But you’re entitled to your opinion that he wasn’t totally blowing out of arse every time he played last season and that his fitness and pace will improve next season, lime some knd of Benjamin Button character.
A loyal player like Boycie would lend his experience to the youth side in more than one way.How do you know that? He may be the world’s worst potential coach for all you know. His outburst on Twitter for a start indicates to me that he may lack the tact, professionalism and people skills. I may be wrong, but I don’t know. and neither do you.
It would have been far better to have said we didn’t require his service or a year contract with a view to coaching or something but pay as you play?
If the club doesn’t “require his services”, why the fuck would they offer him another year with a view to coaching? It’s not a charity!
If they think he’s past it, he’s past it.[/quote]
My point being they’ve given him neither. It’s either a “we don’t need you” or “here’s a year to get you to decade at the club”. Pay as you play is a middle ground, offensive offer which is derogatory imo.[/quote]
They feel they don’t need him, clearly. So, given they don’t want him at all (whihc is their right) then to offer him a pay as you play deal is quite a nice gesture, and not remotely derogatory. Entirely up to him whether he chooses to accept it or not.
As I said before, if he can get himself fixed up with another club on the deal that he wants then good luck to him. I just think that at 35 and performing as he did last season, my opinion is that we’d be better spending our money elsewhere.
Not ideal, I agree, and it would have been nice if things could have turned out differently but that’s the way of the world. We need to spend our limited money wisely -especially if Phil is no longer renewing his season ticket. ;)
It would have been far better to have said we didn’t require his service or a year contract with a view to coaching or something but pay as you play?If the club doesn’t “require his services”, why the fuck would they offer him another year with a view to coaching? It’s not a charity!
If they think he’s past it, he’s past it.
No matter what the chairchild says I do think that some discretion wouldn’t have gone amiss here! His legs may have gone but he isn’t just any old player and he would have been a grand servant to the club after his retirement from full time footy! Austerity over loyalty and it stinks if you ask me. I personally think that he would have done ok in League One for just one more season but for him to have said what he has said then I can only imagine that the club have fucked him over big time! The season ticketometer has swung to the ‘No’ bit so far! I wasn’t surprised at the player exits so far but this treatment of a club legend is a fuckin disgrace!
Even you managed more minutes per game than Boycey last season. 35 years of age, time to pack it in.[/quote]
I just think he could have managed one more season and then been offered a behind the scenes role! Treated like a disposable hero when some discretion should have been used ![/quote]
Why? We don’t have enough cash to be throwing it around on players who are simply past it. And he is. If he’s right, ie he is good enough to carry on playing, he’ll have no trouble finding another club will he? Much rather spend that extra money on finding a decent striker.
No matter what the chairchild says I do think that some discretion wouldn’t have gone amiss here! His legs may have gone but he isn’t just any old player and he would have been a grand servant to the club after his retirement from full time footy! Austerity over loyalty and it stinks if you ask me. I personally think that he would have done ok in League One for just one more season but for him to have said what he has said then I can only imagine that the club have fucked him over big time! The season ticketometer has swung to the ‘No’ bit so far! I wasn’t surprised at the player exits so far but this treatment of a club legend is a fuckin disgrace!Even you managed more minutes per game than Boycey last season. 35 years of age, time to pack it in.
Again this choice was probably due to terms and conditions on offer.You seem to know an awful lot about it.
Middlesbro v. Wigan
– better promotion prospects (proven)
– bigger club (hardly questionable)
– bigger crowds (proven)
– better wages (most probably)Looks like the lad made the right call to me.
Could it possibly the power of the agents who will be pushing to get these lads better deals than what we could offer. I.e. money.Possibly. And if so, so what? We are third division, now. You get third division players. Anybody who is/is perceived to be better than that standard will want to play at a higher level and will get paid more. That’s how it works.
I’m surprised and disappointed that they haven’t retained Kwist and Kim, unless neither wanted to stay, of course. Will be amazed to see Pennant, Holt, Riera and Delort lining up on the first day of the season.I am sure it is the case that neith Kim or Kvist wanted to stay. Pity, but it’s the nature of the beast, I guess.
but the reality is that, even in the 3rd tier of English football, week in week out, home and away, Latics will still be a better supported club.
I know it, everyone one here knows it, neutrals know it and so do you if you could only stop yourself spouting the bullshit for five minutes and admit it.
I might be right, I might be wrong. As you say, time will tell. Either way, it doesn’t make me a “bullshit merchant”, just right or wrong.What I would say with almost 100% certainty is two things:-
1) If the rugby dropped down to the third tier and had to play the likes of London Skolars and Batley every week, that 4000-odd would soon look like a massive crowd.
2) If Latics had to play a competitive match at LSV for whatever reason, let alone a major cup match, I guarantee it would be a sell-out.
It seems you are backing out of your unambiguous claim made earlier quicker than the Tories will back out of their NHS/Education spending increases pledge![/quote]
No, not really. But feel free to bookmark it for later use.
What is true is that we can never compare crowds in the 3rd tier of our respective sports because the competition in rigby league is so poor and weak that, no matter how bad the Warriors perform, or however fickle the Warrior’s support is, we would never get to test the appetite for a Wigan home tie against Batley Bulldogs or Hemel Stags on a wet Sunday afternoon.
With Middlesbrough on the verge of promotion it would appear with hindsight that Adomah made the right choice rather than us making the wrong one!As I said, we didn’t actually make a choice. He did.
Did I start the thread? No.Do I want to show Griff up as a bullshit merchant – absolutely.
Roll on October!
I might be right, I might be wrong. As you say, time will tell. Either way, it doesn’t make me a “bullshit merchant”, just right or wrong.
What I would say with almost 100% certainty is two things:-
1) If the rugby dropped down to the third tier and had to play the likes of London Skolars and Batley every week, that 4000-odd would soon look like a massive crowd.
2) If Latics had to play a competitive match at LSV for whatever reason, let alone a major cup match, I guarantee it would be a sell-out.
I think we settled for second best in that signing. After being strongly linked with Adomah we eventually bought yon mon. We talk about mistakes this season but there was a big one the season before.Not helped by the fact that Adomah wanted to sign for Middlesbrough. Not really a case of settling for second best, is it?
I want us to bring on our own youngsters of course but my point is that we should prioritise the use of players we bring up. No clubs at all seem to do this to a large degree. Again in the Utd Arsenal game today how many players started who came through their huge academies, a dozen between them? ten between them?I don’t know, but if ten (half the pitch!) is true (it’s probably much lower) then I don;t think that’s bad. You have to remember that English football is littered (bad choice of word) with players who came through the academies at United, Arsenal, Liverpool, etc. Sometimes their academy kids are not good enough for their own team but they produce players who go on to have decent careers elsewhere in the English game.