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Well here are the Barclay’s Relegation League fixtures anyway…
Wolves V Blackburn
Bolton V QPR
Norwich V WiganWith us being the only team out of our little league not to be playing someone within , I think this will probably be one of the biggest games of the season in terms of needing 3 points.
Norwich have been a very good side but if you had to hedge a bet it would certainly be on them not being able to keep up that consistency for the rest of the season / have a few blips along the way….
The thing is Hindley I am one of these strange people who believe positive things happen to positive people.
Imagine a DW singing its heart out 100 % behind the lads win or lose.
Its changed games in the past and it could change games now!!!
A shame that people would rather piss, moan and boo at the situation than rally up and play a small part in acheiving the same thing we all want.
Survival.
The players look like they dont give two hoots,the manager is clueless,the fans are demoralised,and still two numpties are deluded :)How you can call anyone deluded is beyond me haha.
Roberto is the most qualified man to keep us up.
If Dave Whelan listened the anti-Martinez wisdom on here we would be in the same situation as Wolves.
Who might I add got smashed 5-0 off Fulham today.
You should come live up my end fil.
Generally round here if your not United, City or Barcelona then your shite.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Wigan fans have been spoilt in recent years…
I was telling a crystal palace fan at work about the consortium of Martinez haters on this forum when he said ” what the #### do they want?”
before you go accusing your ACTUAL entourage, i will come clean and confess that was my wording,and i apologise for that, the person actually claims he has a drink with you post match, so you need to cast your net a little wider than you originally planned.
Don’t start back-tracking now, just because you realise that you and your big childish loud mouth has potentially dropped you in it with someone who sent you what they presumably thought was a confidential message.
I know for a fact it wasn’t one of my ACTUAL entourage, as you put it. Not sure what kind of ‘mates’ you have but I never thought for one minute it was one of them, to be fair. By the way, that’s another group of people you’ve managed to get laughing at you this afternoon.
Your confidant (well, presumably now ex-confidant) will no doubt be pleased to know that we have now narrowed it down to just three possibilities based on the information you kindly provided. That’s three possibilities, but possibly only two families involved though.
But, as they are not really ‘mates’, their opinion, much like yours, counts for nothing.[/quote]
they are not laughing half as much as me at your discomfort in knowing that that someone you actually have a drink with thinks you are both pompous and arrogant, nothing wrong with that as we all have opinions both positive and negative on people we socialise with, but the fact they are prepared to share their thoughts with me a complete stranger speaks volumes.
I dont give a flying fig about betraying someones confidence, and I am not back tracking, if they are prepared to send me a PM they should expect the consequences, in fact if you ask me I will tell you who it was or even forward you the PM, I dont know them and its no skin off my nose.[/quote]Grass..
Gloryhunter!!!!!!Why don’t you support United
You never did tell me about Wigan V Tulsa Roughneck’s… :side:
I can’t believe that anyone is even remotely surpised that LMB didn’t spurn the opportunity to turn a light-hearted, admitted-by-the-author flawed analysis into yet another dreary anti-Martinez rant. Tedious beyond belief, now.
you braindead moron and that is an insult of the highest order
read any of the previous posts on this thread and show me where i have made any anti martinez rant.
The whole topic is a flawed attempt to indicate that player profits and value was better under martinez than previous incumbents, i will even paste the opening paragraph:-
” After debating some of Bruce’s signings versus Martinez signings and Filmoss’s bizarre statement that he expects more for his £295 season ticket it got me thinking who out of our few premier league managers have delivered the best value for money in terms of players signed ”
The data went on to show that overall martinez had made more year on year and total profit than his predecessors, which i offered a counter argument against because it just isnt true which ever way the figures are massaged.
The only reference i have made to martinez dierctly was actually a compliment – and again i will paste it for your benefit:-“From where I see it martinez is being credited with over 31 million pounds (valencia, cattermole, nzogbia) that he is not entitled to although in nzogbia’s case, playing under martinez suited him and added value to his net worth this is something that must also be included in any comparisons. ”
The only person making “anti” anyone “rants” is is you and predictably they are aimed once again in my direction with all the malice you can muster, i suggest you actually start to read what is going on before leting your pre determined opinion get in the way of the facts and that is the real tedium you mentioned.[/quote]
I suggest you go for a walk get some fresh air and come back and re-read the below extract.
“the best value for money in terms of players signed”
At what point does that make any reference to any players being sold and getting credit for the profit made?
Its all about how much in transfer fee’s have been spent.
Considering Bruce spent an average of 10 Million plus per season more than Martinez if you were to apply that to Martinez’s budget for 2 seasons you could Sign defoe out of the first £10 Million and then pay Defoe £48,076.92 per week for 4 years out of the next years £10million extra in the budget.
Back to the original point who is the best value for money?
Quite clearly Martinez over Bruce as he is in his 3rd season in the premier league having spent on average of half of what bruce did in a season ( that completely excludes transfer funds gained! )
Should we pull Bruce’s spending figures in from his recent Sunderland stint to back up my comment?[/quote]
are these not your words that I have copy and pasted then
Average Net Profits Per Season
Roberto Martinez = £ 0.58 Million
Steve Bruce = £ -9.2 Million
Chris Hutchings = £ 7.3 Million
Paul Jewell = £ -4.85 MillionNet Wigan Career Profit
Roberto Martinez = £1.74 Million
Steve Bruce = £-13.80 Million
Chris Hutchings = £3.65 Million
Paul Jewell = £-9.7 MillionI could not give a damn about bruce, my stance all along and for the past 3 seasons is against the blame every ill we have on bruce cliches’, deadwood, overpaying players, lack of footballing skill players in defence of martinez’s ineptitude.
I disagree with your interpretation of the figures you came up with as you cannot credit any of the 4 premierships managers gross spend without balancing it against gross income, it is basic economics, but it just shows how statistcs can be manipulated to suit any arguement abd why i quoted the famous mark twain analogy of lies, damn lies and statistics.
on your figures martinez has spent £31.76 million but out of that money he has brought in only about £2 mill on sales of his signings so taht is a net value of £29.76 over 3 seasons or £9.92 per season(minus as thats what he has cost us),
In bruces case i don’t think valencia can be included at all in either column, even though the purchase payment was in his tenure he remains jewells success story if you accept this bruces spend should read £26 million not £31m the money returned on sales of people he signed is the £17.2 you stated plus the £15.5 received for cattermole and nzogbia that makes a total income of some £32.7 million so that is now a net profit of £6.7 million so in his 1.5 seasons we are better off as a club by some £4.466 million a year.
If you divide that up into points gained per £millons spent, your “Statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season“claim is again totally untrue.[/quote]
your the only one manipulating the statistics for your own point of view mongoid….
According to my apparently twisted statistics Chris Hutchings is leading the race by a country mile!
As I said I’m not saying they are 100% accurate but they are a lot closer than you will ever get with your £4 million’s for Di Santo and £3 million’s for Scotland!!
But if you can point out any discrepancies please do so and I will be happy to update so that once we can all agree the basic info is 99% accurate we can look at all the variable statistics you want to!
Salford must have a lot of free time at the office – as long as he isn’t getting into any arguments about air conditioning or whether they can have the window open…. ;)Guy Browning offers 20 top tips for surviving life in the workplace…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/oct/18/workandcareers.healthandwellbeing
We all have our own ways of getting through our day…
Educating the ignorant is one of mine :)
Yeah I think his best days are probably well past him now.
Personally I would sign him just because he is a legend.
Saying that I would also sign Nathan Ellington in a flash which I guess is why the decisions are best left to the pro’s….
I can’t believe that anyone is even remotely surpised that LMB didn’t spurn the opportunity to turn a light-hearted, admitted-by-the-author flawed analysis into yet another dreary anti-Martinez rant. Tedious beyond belief, now.
you braindead moron and that is an insult of the highest order
read any of the previous posts on this thread and show me where i have made any anti martinez rant.
The whole topic is a flawed attempt to indicate that player profits and value was better under martinez than previous incumbents, i will even paste the opening paragraph:-
” After debating some of Bruce’s signings versus Martinez signings and Filmoss’s bizarre statement that he expects more for his £295 season ticket it got me thinking who out of our few premier league managers have delivered the best value for money in terms of players signed ”
The data went on to show that overall martinez had made more year on year and total profit than his predecessors, which i offered a counter argument against because it just isnt true which ever way the figures are massaged.
The only reference i have made to martinez dierctly was actually a compliment – and again i will paste it for your benefit:-“From where I see it martinez is being credited with over 31 million pounds (valencia, cattermole, nzogbia) that he is not entitled to although in nzogbia’s case, playing under martinez suited him and added value to his net worth this is something that must also be included in any comparisons. ”
The only person making “anti” anyone “rants” is is you and predictably they are aimed once again in my direction with all the malice you can muster, i suggest you actually start to read what is going on before leting your pre determined opinion get in the way of the facts and that is the real tedium you mentioned.[/quote]
I suggest you go for a walk get some fresh air and come back and re-read the below extract.
“the best value for money in terms of players signed”
At what point does that make any reference to any players being sold and getting credit for the profit made?
Its all about how much in transfer fee’s have been spent.
Considering Bruce spent an average of 10 Million plus per season more than Martinez if you were to apply that to Martinez’s budget for 2 seasons you could Sign defoe out of the first £10 Million and then pay Defoe £48,076.92 per week for 4 years out of the next years £10million extra in the budget.
Back to the original point who is the best value for money?
Quite clearly Martinez over Bruce as he is in his 3rd season in the premier league having spent on average of half of what bruce did in a season ( that completely excludes transfer funds gained! )
Should we pull Bruce’s spending figures in from his recent Sunderland stint to back up my comment?
seeing as I was mentioned in the original thread I will attempt to clarify the ambiguity ! I buy a season ticket every year come what may and I am aware that our season tickets are the 2nd cheapest in the Prem and I am aware that we wont ever be European football contenders. What I will say is that for us to have only won one game at home 6 months ago, I feel that my usual just under £300 spent has not given me the sporadic pleasure that I had anticipated !!I would say buying a season ticket is alot like buying a car…
If you spend £295 on a car there is a good chance it may spend a few month’s sat in a garage.. But there is always the chance with a good mechanic that isnt trying to rip you off it might just get you where you need to be in the end ;)
His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.
Like the 5-0 away at hull, or when we outplayed liverpool at anfield, only for the referee to get them back in the game(the best display EVER by a wigan athletic side), even the draws away at liverpool and chelsea in bruces first season.
I agree you cant compare any of that boring stuff with the excitement of the 9-1 at spurs or 8-0 at chelsea or the 5-0 x 2 at man u, even the 4-1 against second division blackpool, or the draw scraped at 3rd division notts county, not to mention the edge of seat display we produced at 4th division swindon town, by heck the stewards were frantic on those occasions trying to get us to sit down and calm our wanton enthusiasm.[/quote]
Good morning.
Statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.[/quote]
“statistically” the chances of you being able to read what I have said and digest and compute that information are practically non-exsistant, knock 31 million pounds off martinez plus column(as pointed out earlier) and give me your “statistical” answer then, and by all means feel free to add the goals conceeded figures per season for pounds spent as well.[/quote]
Your point is that the Valencia sale should not be credited to Martinez because it was already a done deal before he was in place right?
Take it out and it means that statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.
I think your missing the point re: Martinez having the money gained from Cattermole and Valencia.
the fact is on a playing level Martinez lost a young strong hard tackling midfielder (hard to come by) and a winger who in the past few weeks is being considered one of the best players in the premier league ( pretty much impossible to come by ) thus reducing the quality at his disposal.
Yet his team is still scoring more goals than your beloved Bruce’s.
If we are talking money then the Cattermole deal was 100% controlled by Martinez unless Bruce put Cattermole up for sale left the club then bought him? this combined with the fact that you think De Ridder was a reliable player despite being the first winger in history who couldnt cross a ball or beat a man 99% of the time is enforcing my opinion that you are in fact a mongoloid.
His rigid set up away from home bored the hell out of me.
Like the 5-0 away at hull, or when we outplayed liverpool at anfield, only for the referee to get them back in the game(the best display EVER by a wigan athletic side), even the draws away at liverpool and chelsea in bruces first season.
I agree you cant compare any of that boring stuff with the excitement of the 9-1 at spurs or 8-0 at chelsea or the 5-0 x 2 at man u, even the 4-1 against second division blackpool, or the draw scraped at 3rd division notts county, not to mention the edge of seat display we produced at 4th division swindon town, by heck the stewards were frantic on those occasions trying to get us to sit down and calm our wanton enthusiasm.[/quote]
Good morning.
Statistically Martinez gets 0.05 more goals per game for 10.08 million less than Bruce per season.
Considering your so happy with the previous stats loudmouth here is another little chestnut… Just for you!
Average goals per game
Robert Martinez = 0.98
Steve Bruce = 0.93
Chris Hutchings = 0.71
Paul Jewell = 1.08Martinez
2011/2012 26 games 20 points 23 goals
2010/2011 38 games 42 points 40 goals
2009/2010 38 games 36 points 37 goalsBruce
2008/2009 38 games 45 points 34 goals
2007/2008 24 games 32 points 24 goalsChris Hutchings
2007/2008 14 games 8 points 10 goals
Paul Jewell
2006/2007 38 games 38 points 37 goals
2005/2006 38 games 51 points 45 goals
