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Plus this is the only actual quote I can find
“And when I met him afterwards, he did that thing managers do with their little cards, and showed me how he beat Manchester City.”
Where did your original quote come from?
Pretty sure he would of been a bit busy traveling home with the cup and squad to stop of for a coffee with Kenwright.
so you know for sure he was on the coach,there is a shuttle flight from london to manchester,or get this he may of even travelled back in uncle daves chopper the next morning ;)[/quote]
No, but I am applying a bit of common sense to the situation.
Do you know for sure he was not on the coach?
Pretty sure he would of been a bit busy traveling home with the cup and squad to stop of for a coffee with Kenwright.
You can ignore the facts all you want showing he was the worst manager in Latics history but it is time to take your Bruce tinted specs off.
You call me an imbecile and whatever other silly things you can think of but you are the so blinded by your blatant love for Bruce that you cant even take it on that he isnt coming back.
Here it is in black and white from Whelan as you are obviously hard of understanding ““The speculation is completely wrong.”
Get over it for god sakes man and get behind your club.
Sorry to break it to you guys but Whelan has rubbished the rumour that your lover boy will be sucking the Wigan Athetic rudder for a third time.
Condolences to LMB who will obviously be devestated at this news.
You need to get your cloth ears washed out because you seem never to listen, I will tell you again though as you seem to be too thick to take the previous dozen times I have said it.
I DON’T want bruce back and wasn’t upset to see him go, but maintain he was not half as bad as gobshites like you make out and Martinez is/was not a quarter as good as you also have always claimed.
Either way they are BOTH history, one left us in a better position than the other, no doubt on which you think did.[/quote]
So if you love him so much why dont you just go support him at Hull?
Decrypting post match interviews through the waffle and the bullshiit,
Having subs stood there at the ready then taking 20 mins to get them on,
Stood on the touchline on his own for 90mins avoiding everyone just incase someone gave him a piece of helpful advise (he knows best),
Playing a fecked “I need a new hip” Caldwell against Swansea at a crucial time in the season when a fit Golobart sat and watched.
I’ll give him a season if he’s really lucky.
And I bet he’s really arsed what you think.
F*** me , is it still half-term?[/quote]
I am a great believer that Footballers and probably alot of managers will look on forums etc.
Not obsessively but I think if I was them curiosity would get the better of me and I would have a sneaky peek every so often.
One look at the gene pool on here and I would be running for the hills.
Southampton at home is still pretty fresh in the mind off the top of my head.Exactly, The majority of it has been total dross, It’s easy to palm over the 9-1, 8-0, 5-0 and multiple 4-0’s with ‘We won the F.A Cup. He may well turn out to be a good manager but in 4 years here he was bloody awful. This youth system he spouts about, No home grown Wigan players have come through it yet, Just players signed from other sides who were lumped into it. AND… This youth thing will disappear now Roberto has gone anyway. Whelan won’t have that little problem on his shoulders now. Under Bruce we played some good stuff, We finished comfortably and didn’t leak a guaranteed 2 goals a game. I hope Martinez fails spectacularly, Lied his way out of the club, Left us in the lurch and did the opposite of everything he said he wouldn’t.
I dont think we were particularly negative against Southampton but they were defintely the better team that day and that is one game in particular we really missed Kone.
Highlighting that brings me to another point that never under Martinez was there not a period of a game that we totally dominated.
Fair enough that ranged from a 20 to 80 minute spell depending on the game but there were always ideas and creativity there.
IMO Yosser you struggle to understand simple tactics and the best we get out of you on here is along the lines of “you defend then you score its not hard” life you have it all figured out.
Dont get me wrong I am no master tactician myself but I am afraid to break it to you that your ignorance is not bliss.
I dont understand what you mean about the homegrown players not sprouting out of Martinez youth policy.
Do you want him to start grown players straight out of pies in Wigans town centre?
It is clear to anyone with half a brain that due to the catchment area and multi million pound youth academies surrounding us in every direction that if you want to bring decent youth players through you are going to have to be inventive.
Not in my time have I ever seen a period where we more young upcoming players in the squad than we currently do.
Dicko, Mcmanman, Fyvie, Golobart and Nicholls to name the ones closest to the first team.
Martinez signed three of them and I personally am giving 80% of the credit to Martinez for making Mcmanman the player he became last season.
I dont think he is tactically good enough to create the sort of performance in the FA CUP final where Martinez seemed to leave Mancini with no ideas.
And I dont think he would take us any further than the bottom end of the Premiership.
Not often I disagree with you Salford, but seriously?
Not tactically good enough? Hmm. Which end of the field? Bruce gave us one of our tightest defences in 8 years. How did Bob’s defensive tactics compare?
No further than the bottom end? Hmm #2. Where did we finish with him in his full season? And Bob’s highest positions of 15th/16th in 4 years took us where exactly?
I’d definitely have him back to get us up, but he’s not a long term solution as he would unravel or at best mothball all the hard work that’s gone on behind the scenes.[/quote]
I was referring solely to the fa cup final that even the darkest of darksiders cant deny was a masterstroke! but Martinez is a better tactician than Bruce IMO.
nothing special about the way Bruce sets up a team by any stroke of the imagination.
his defensive record speaks to itself according to most on here but I think he is lost against the better teams who can break you down.
I would argue you could take a handfull of Martinez’s games in charge and say they are the best performances in latics history.
People who called his teams negative I think are tactically naive as the top and tail of it seems to be anything other than knocking it forward and hoping for the best was according to them negative.
I can’t think of a game under Martinez where we have done anything but try to attack from the first whistle to the last.
unfortunately we lived and died by that sword.[/quote]
A handful of good performances in 4 seasons, absolutely marvellous :woohoo:[/quote]
Not what I said and not the case at all.
And why the insinuation that Bramble was guilty?
He was cleared of all charges following the police investigation.
I think that speaks for itself without some village idiot sharpening his pitch fork.
I had found some peace with Bruce today .
that all just ended when you mentioned Marlon king Sammy.
£5 million pounds for that woman beating scum.
even LMB would struggle to defend that one.
worst signing ever in the history of Wigan athletic.
What worse than bosseli ?
King is a scumbag lowlife, but so was bramble who has just managed to evade the law unlike king.[/quote]
Yes , Boselli is completely and utterly a better player than Marlon King.
Obviously it falls down to opinions again but I think Boselli is the type of player who if you feed him the chances he will score.
He had a terrible service for 99% of his time here unfortunately and I was hoping to see more from him last season.
I think he would work better alongside another striker especially in the ilk of Kone and as it seems the man has another year on his contract we could see if that is the case or not under a new manager with different ideas.
Anyway the stats speak for themselves when comparing Boselli to King.
Boselli 5 goals in 15 starts
King 1 goal in 18 starts
and while I am on one wtf was he thinking when he signed Oliver kapo and Daniel de ridder???
kapo speaks for itself in terms of Bruce being a retard but get ridder made Gary teale look like ronaldo.
I had found some peace with Bruce today .
that all just ended when you mentioned Marlon king Sammy.
£5 million pounds for that woman beating scum.
even LMB would struggle to defend that one.
worst signing ever in the history of Wigan athletic.
I dont think he is tactically good enough to create the sort of performance in the FA CUP final where Martinez seemed to leave Mancini with no ideas.
And I dont think he would take us any further than the bottom end of the Premiership.
Not often I disagree with you Salford, but seriously?
Not tactically good enough? Hmm. Which end of the field? Bruce gave us one of our tightest defences in 8 years. How did Bob’s defensive tactics compare?
No further than the bottom end? Hmm #2. Where did we finish with him in his full season? And Bob’s highest positions of 15th/16th in 4 years took us where exactly?
I’d definitely have him back to get us up, but he’s not a long term solution as he would unravel or at best mothball all the hard work that’s gone on behind the scenes.[/quote]
I was referring solely to the fa cup final that even the darkest of darksiders cant deny was a masterstroke! but Martinez is a better tactician than Bruce IMO.
nothing special about the way Bruce sets up a team by any stroke of the imagination.
his defensive record speaks to itself according to most on here but I think he is lost against the better teams who can break you down.
I would argue you could take a handfull of Martinez’s games in charge and say they are the best performances in latics history.
People who called his teams negative I think are tactically naive as the top and tail of it seems to be anything other than knocking it forward and hoping for the best was according to them negative.
I can’t think of a game under Martinez where we have done anything but try to attack from the first whistle to the last.
unfortunately we lived and died by that sword.
