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no he did that in 1990, 1994, 1996 ;) he is saying we are premier league I am premier league (again) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
All those FA Cup medals with less cap’s than Francis Jeffers.
He must be so proud.
On average we have conceded just under 69 goals a season during RM’s tenure, now surely that is cause for concern as regards to his defensive strategies. It really is that simple ! The chances as many say are that we would eventually go down, there was never going to be any big money bandied about and we were never going to attract players of a certain standard but to keep making the same defensive mistakes over and over again was always going to catch up with us eventually. The Spurs and Swansea errors really did drive it home how inept our defense really is ! I just hope that whoever is our manager next season they address a glaringly obvious problem !
You know what Phil I think you have just solved the problem.
We should obviously as you pointed out appoint someone who can address the problem of our defence this season.
Does anyone know any miracle makers or witch doctors who are available?
Alcaraz was the key loss for us this season without that injury our form with him in the side shows we would of been in a far better position.[/quote]
The stats are over 4 seasons ! 69 goals on average !! Problem or not ?[/quote]
As usual plenty of criticism and no answers.
Who is your miracle maker of choice that can provide a defence worthy of competing with some of the top attacking footballers in the world at a fraction of cost?
There is winding folk up and there is defamation of character and for you to say that I have verbally abused players when I have not is tantamount to the latter in my book !Jesus Christ not you too.
Don’t start plugging it on here nobody wants to read a book on cleaning windows…
goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpostWhats he doing there? Pretending to hold an FA CUP?
On average we have conceded just under 69 goals a season during RM’s tenure, now surely that is cause for concern as regards to his defensive strategies. It really is that simple ! The chances as many say are that we would eventually go down, there was never going to be any big money bandied about and we were never going to attract players of a certain standard but to keep making the same defensive mistakes over and over again was always going to catch up with us eventually. The Spurs and Swansea errors really did drive it home how inept our defense really is ! I just hope that whoever is our manager next season they address a glaringly obvious problem !You know what Phil I think you have just solved the problem.
We should obviously as you pointed out appoint someone who can address the problem of our defence this season.
Does anyone know any miracle makers or witch doctors who are available?
Alcaraz was the key loss for us this season without that injury our form with him in the side shows we would of been in a far better position.
Roberto is a club legend, but he really should have swallowed his pride and changed it around a bit more.How could he have changed it around any more than this season?
If anything our inability to stick to a back 3 seemed to go wrong for us towards the end of the season.
Dont want to keep pulling you up on this but seeing as you think Ellington was over rated and Bramble was an “absolute rock” I think you need to go and get your head checked.
Whether the club could afford it is another matter
One that should not be brushed aside as you are teetering at the fact Bruce was a better Manager for us than Roberto.
Bruce would of took us down had he stayed and we would be in a much worse position than we are right now.[/quote]
I haven’t said anywhere on this thread that I thought Bruce was a better Latics manager than bobby is. Nor have i hinted that’s what I think
To be honest you can’t compare the 2 – Bruce achieved much better league positions but he operated under a far bigger budget nor did he win a major cup or beat the “big boys”
Some times I preferred the style of football under Bruce but some times the football produced under Bobby has wiped the floor with it (& vice versa)
All I’ve done is defend Titus Bramble & state that under Bruce he was superb & he was. In fact the whole defence was & you can’t get away from that fact. Under Martinez’s defensive system pretty much the same defence conceded more goals in 3 months than they had in the previous season under Bruce but on the flip side Bobby’s teams have scored more goals
However just as you can’t use Bobby’s poorer league finishes to say he is a poorer manager (due to the difference in budgets) nor IMO can you say the Bruce would definitely have got Latics relegated (do you have the ability to travel back & forth between other realities?)
Nor can you say Latics would have been in a far worse position – he’d have had to operate under the same budget constraints & again you/we have no idea of the players he’d have signed or how he’d have attempted to re-structure the club[/quote]Of course you can compare the two you just did!!!!
Bruce is only good with money to spend, its why he jumped ship once he realised Whelan would no longer fund the plus signs on his CV!
His transfer record is absolutely terrible.
Putting aside the melons he signed for us and Sunderland he once again has thrown money at the situation to get Hull out of the Championship.
He spent a shit load of money here and he amounted to nothing.
Roberto operated under a third of his budget and won the FA cup.
I was under the impression we only offer players 3 year contracts and Mauro’s was up at the end of this season.
If I am wrong then fair play.
Still though I will have to rebuff your taunt Torch as you could not spell his name right in the original title.
Whether the club could afford it is another matterOne that should not be brushed aside as you are teetering at the fact Bruce was a better Manager for us than Roberto.
Bruce would of took us down had he stayed and we would be in a much worse position than we are right now.
It is a far worst defence then the one quazie bruce had. B)
Far cheaper one, too. Titus Bramble on £40k per week?? Do me a favour![/quote]
Bit harsh on Titus that. Yes it’s an obscene amount of money but under Steve Bruce, Titus Bramble was an absolute rock for us & was a vital cog in making Latics back line the 7th best defence in the division during Bruce’s full season in charge
Like you say, you get what you pay for. Titus was paid a lot of money & under Steve Bruce he showed why that was[/quote]Wanted a nice break from this board to avoid the manager merry go round etc…. Its just not going to happen is it.
Bramble was good for us but absolute rock? I think you are smoking absolute rock Tylders.
