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some of therse are good not too sure of the rude ones as my kids look in here now and again cant stop it though so ill keep them off if i can had to laught though thats why they looked in lol
I’m sure they are more busy cracking one off to redtube than seeing you make a plonker of yourself on here lad.
Seen a few of their fans comments around the internet and it seems they are of the thinking we are now their “bogey team”.
Sorry but I thought you had to be better than someone for them to be your bogey team….
I mean who is the established PL team of almost a decade and who is the team who quite frankly scraped promotion by the skin of their cockney rhyming teeth!!??
How many reality checks does a club need?
Horrible fans horrible club horrible manager.
That’s me and Standish for you, Yosser – we just cannon off each other
Off the snooker gags for just one moment while we pause for thought at the connotations of Griff’s dare I say it entry !! B)[/quote]
Stop trying to put a negative spin on things.
I think his limitations as a manager were always there to see even when he was at Latics:
1) Man management – In those difficult first few months he just couldn’t handle the bad attitude of the players & it took Dave Whelan getting involved for that situation to get turned around. I read an interview on line the other day from Ipswich’s captain who said that he needed to stop being so nice to some players
2) “He’s no plan B” – as a mate of mine repeatedly & drunkenly slurred at me when we lost at home to Sunderland in the championship promotion season & that was evident all through he reign. If Plan A wasn’t working he seemed to have no idea what to do to change things around & we regularly saw changes in such games like taking a right back off & putting a different right back on as if that was going to make a blind bit of difference to proceedings
3) Attitude – I thought his “I’ve already written this game off” attitude to matches against the “big boys” in this division was wrong & you could see how that translated to the players out on the pitch. Can’t rememebr which player it was but one of em said early in bruce’s reign that “for the first time we’re going into these matches believing we can get something from them”. I also don’t think he ever really endeared himself to the Latics faithful beyond what he achieved out on the pitchFrom occasional views on Derby & Ipswich websites it appears these limitations were still there and, as someone else in the thread has pointed out, without the relatively big money backing he got at Bradford & Latics these limitations got exposed mroe & more
That’s nto to take anything away from what he achieved at latics like coz he got far more right than he got wrong during his time here & (regardless of where my 06/07 season ticket ended up) I consider him a Latics legend
I actually agree with most of that :ohmy:
I got the feeling from Jewell that our promotion to the premiership had seriously gone to his head.
I think he genuinely put our rise from div 2 to PL down to himself.
Sometimes great managers fail objectives for a number of reasons and sometimes average managers can acheive everything with a club because a number of factors go in their favour.
Moral of the story is to know when you have something good going for you as the grass always looks greener on the other side.
one season we took i think it was 34 how many do you think we will take in two weeks i reckon about 100
does that mean out of the 19000 wigan fans that attended the fulham game only 100 are propper fans ?[/quote]
going off the ticket sales for the bradford game do you still think we have 19000 proper fans[/quote]
18,999 + 1 plebb who needs to get a life.
That’s MY opinion, anyway. No need for debate. Cheers.
I hope you’re not one of those people who spouts a load of rubbish at the dinner table and when getting proven completely wrong says “well thats my opinion so there”
Sorry Dave but if you post something on a message board or similar medium then it will always be open to debate regardless of your exit strategy.[/quote]
And I hope you’re not one of those people who is adamant that it is their way or no way at all, who refuses to even consider anybody elses opinion.
For 1: How the hell was I ‘proven completely wrong’? Not one thing has been proven at all. I’ve read and heard other people saying Kirkland went down very easily, so it’s not just me that thinks it.
and 2: Why did you even have to reply again, when I had quite clearly drawn a line under the matter to prevent it spiralling?
Message boards are about debate. Not everybody agreeing. Or else, what would be the point?
No need for a reply. (You probably will though)[/quote]
If you call drawing a line under it saying there is no need for debate then carrying on with the same issue directed at another poster then you are as deluded about drawing a line under something as you are about what can put someone to the floor.
Seeing how important it seems to be for you to get the last word in why would I want to let you take that liberty?
Careful Dave I see another breakdown coming on….
ha ah from the man who came up with this word a few hours ago worng now that really is a poor repost eh lad not expecting a reply as your done big time o clever oneyawn
That’s MY opinion, anyway. No need for debate. Cheers.I hope you’re not one of those people who spouts a load of rubbish at the dinner table and when getting proven completely wrong says “well thats my opinion so there”
Sorry Dave but if you post something on a message board or similar medium then it will always be open to debate regardless of your exit strategy.
DID he say Kirkland went down like a ‘ton of bricks’? If so, it’s because he actually DID go down like a ton of bricks. (I thought a sniper had done him, tbh) The ironic thing is, in his latter appearances for us, he never went down as quick….the Blackpool 4-nil debacle, anybody?.
And that’s the thing, “he played for us”. Is that why many have got rose-tinted glasses on? Come on! Disgusting assault, no question, but he definitely went down….like a sack of shit. He was pushed, not smacked.
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I bet if I did a running shove of all my weight onto your jaw you would go down like a sack of shit too you tool.
just take a look at karate they’re not throwing punches round like an angry school kid its about putting all of your weight onto a certain point e.g. side of the jaw.
Seeing the video it looked a real brain shaker.[/quote]
Salford, why the childish response? Why you getting personal?
Fact is, Kirkland is what, 6’4? I’m sure he’s taken worse knocks than that in his career and stayed on his feet. I thought his back had gone again, to be honest.
You compare it to a karate punch….it was far from a karate punch, or a punch of any kind, as it happens. It was a two-handed push. Nothing more, and the guy who did it was hardly stocky. “A running shove” you call it, no it wasn’t even a running shove.
Regardless, it shouldn’t have happened.
I quote you “I bet if I did a running shove of all my weight onto your jaw you would go down like a sack of shit too you tool.”
For 1: Why resort to calling me a tool? Because I told it as I saw it?
and 2: No, I don’t think I would go down like that in all honesty. The bloke didn’t shove him on his jaw, or with ‘all his weight’-there was nothing to the idiot who did it. And no, I’m not giving it the ‘big man’. I have an endomorphic stature, thus meaning I have a lower, heavier, and lower sense of gravity. Stocky? yes, overweight? yes, harder to knock over, definitely.
So Salford, no need for the crass riposte. I was simply being honest about what I saw. It was an honest post.[/quote]
Nothing personal about it but its far too easy to sit behind a computer screen when you are clearly mistaken about what can knock out or stun someone temporarily.
I didnt compare it to a karate punch… You rarely see a punch thrown in karate or what i have seen of it .
Stepping in full force with a forearm or a palm in the face is a more efficient way to knock someone to the floor than a punch to the face.
Anyway the reason i challenged your post is i thought it to be a very childish dig at a man who whatever you think of him was assaulted in a very cowardly manner.
What does it matter how he fell to the ground ? Its completely irrelevant and silly comments from people who don’t think before they speak like you and Warnock only goes against what was a serious assault on a defenceless unsuspecting victim.
I’m sure if you were assaulted on national tv with your family watching you would be happy to know some tool on the internet somewhere wants to make light of the fact the “overweight stocky fella” should of stayed on his feet and fought back.
Yeah im the childish one.. :S
DID he say Kirkland went down like a ‘ton of bricks’? If so, it’s because he actually DID go down like a ton of bricks. (I thought a sniper had done him, tbh) The ironic thing is, in his latter appearances for us, he never went down as quick….the Blackpool 4-nil debacle, anybody?.And that’s the thing, “he played for us”. Is that why many have got rose-tinted glasses on? Come on! Disgusting assault, no question, but he definitely went down….like a sack of shit. He was pushed, not smacked.
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I bet if I did a running shove of all my weight onto your jaw you would go down like a sack of shit too you tool.
just take a look at karate they’re not throwing punches round like an angry school kid its about putting all of your weight onto a certain point e.g. side of the jaw.
Seeing the video it looked a real brain shaker.
And whilst I’m on a roleI hope for your sake that was an intended pun… goodpost
No doubt if it wasnt you would not admit to it ;)
Changing your story to fit with your argument Tylders?
You were originally saying one up front and 2 wingers which is of course utter tosh.
Kone has taken the role of the advanced striker while Franco it seems is given a free role (to a certain extent I imagine) to allow him to receive the ball (one of his better abilities IMO).
Maloney then comes in to place as the 3rd forward playing a similar role as to what Messi does for Barcelona (albeit not as well).
Please dont come back with one of your usual long winded responses I cant be arsed reading it and you writing a book full does not make you right :P
